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need a stiff drink after that,10lb claimer would be ashamed of that ride
2.22 £161.65
2.24 £250.80
2.26 £650.04
2.28 £779.66
2.3 £1,354.69
2.32 £1,149.37
2.34 £687.44
2.36 £561.96
2.38 £465.95
2.24 £250.80
2.26 £650.04
2.28 £779.66
2.3 £1,354.69
2.32 £1,149.37
2.34 £687.44
2.36 £561.96
2.38 £465.95
A complete change in tactics from LTO, stayed on the unfavourable part of the track and went off far too quick. Incompetent or corrupt.....you decide.
If you wanted to lose on the hotpot fav, that's the way you would have run it. Very strange indeed.
thats right. he didnt want to win at york riding in famous colours and balding told him to make sure he got beat
always a conspiracy
always a conspiracy
5 jocks in a 10 horse race involved in scrimmaging on part of the track no one wants to be on, and trainers of those horse,s/employing those jocks spent last 3 weeks moaning about the ability of foreign jocks, 
The horse needs to be delivered for one crack at them. So why would you ride it that way?
according to LOONY BOOBY, Murphy made every other jockey think, all the 5 on his outer were thinking as they sailed by were, WHAT YOU DOING RACING ON SLOWEST PART OF THE TRACK YOU STUPID JUCIED UP IRISH KOONT
He was interviewed before the race and when asked about him being a hold up horse he said he could go forwards.
Clearly those tactics didn't work together with being on the rails which everybody has avoided
Clearly those tactics didn't work together with being on the rails which everybody has avoided
Why would I lay it? I was going to play it in running if I got the price I wanted if ridden as expected....off the pace.
just thinking that trusty. If he had drawn the sting out of 'em and won no comments. If you are that clever with early IR situations post your lays.
I was expecting it to get the same kind of ride the winner got.
so once he goes off in front on the slowest part of the track, surely you lay it?
"Why would I lay it? " You would lay a horse that wasn't being ridden in the way you thought gave it the best chance of winning.
First thing i did was check the thread wasn't a regurgitated one from several years past as i seem to have read the content a million times before. 
It would have been give a very different ride if it was their money that had forced the price in (NAP)
No.
I backed pre off with a view of a trade if he went forward
I backed pre off with a view of a trade if he went forward
Hayden you don't even bet. When have you ever posted a pre race opinion?
Yeah, that's right Howard betting like a degen on any situation that arises in a race even if it goes against any pre betting plans lol
Sometimes you need to try something different to keep ahead of the handicapper WP he looked a proper stayer up the hill last time. Off 107 with hindsight he's never going to win however he is ridden.
It will win again this season and now they've got the stake money to invest when the time comes. Just look at the ride Trawlerman was given, he was taken over to the "right" part of the track.
6 jocks just rode 60 yds away from where Murphy thought was best place to be in 1st race
No never Whippin , only bet when at the post.
Good luck later
Good luck later
There is no hope for you if you truly believe that WP
anybody with a working pair of eyes seen this from the evidence of day 1&2
Tried something different & come unstuck.
£61K+ to the Wnr of that.
£61K+ to the Wnr of that.
1TP, its ridiculous how anyone can defend the ride.
when people try something different and yes get it wrong it means they are crooks in WP's world 
Uptheirons, there's plenty of hope for me. Probably one of the youngest guys on here, been posting and making the game pay for well over 10 years. How long have you been here, 10 minutes?
I have been on here for many years WP.
For you to suggest that Balding would stop his horse at this Meeting is utterly ludicrous.
They changed tactics and it didn't work.
Simple as that
For you to suggest that Balding would stop his horse at this Meeting is utterly ludicrous.
They changed tactics and it didn't work.
Simple as that
You are entitled to your opinion WP.
However,perhaps you can tell me how you can "take Out" on the fav and manage to get it to massively shorten in the Market
However,perhaps you can tell me how you can "take Out" on the fav and manage to get it to massively shorten in the Market
Another mug appears on the thread. Mitolo are you still sucking up all the MSM propaganda on the Russia/Ukraine War? War going well, send more money now!
How did they manage to "take out" and get the horse to shorten,WP?
A simple enough question
A simple enough question
For the record, when do I ever jockey bash on here? The last time was Kingscote on Docklands at Epsom. But I just think that was a poor ride, unlike today's filth
York, 21 Aug 25
Race 1 - 1:50pm
THE SKY BET HERITAGE HANDICAP (CLASS 2) Winner £120 000
Permission was given for FRENCH DUKE NAQEEB and ZANNDABAD to all wear a red hood to post.
An enquiry was held to consider Tthe change of tactics on MOUNT ATLAS, having previously been held up in it's races. Jockey OISIN MURPHY reported that trainer ANDREW BALDING informed him that the owner was not interersted in winning and had laid it for a chunk so please make sure that he did his utmost to avoid this. It was agreed pre-race that MURPHY would go off like the clappers and knacker the thing on the worst ground. Afterwards BALDING said he had no problem with the ride.
Explanations were noted and doubles all-round
Race 1 - 1:50pm
THE SKY BET HERITAGE HANDICAP (CLASS 2) Winner £120 000
Permission was given for FRENCH DUKE NAQEEB and ZANNDABAD to all wear a red hood to post.
An enquiry was held to consider Tthe change of tactics on MOUNT ATLAS, having previously been held up in it's races. Jockey OISIN MURPHY reported that trainer ANDREW BALDING informed him that the owner was not interersted in winning and had laid it for a chunk so please make sure that he did his utmost to avoid this. It was agreed pre-race that MURPHY would go off like the clappers and knacker the thing on the worst ground. Afterwards BALDING said he had no problem with the ride.
Explanations were noted and doubles all-round
The Horse would have been in 1000s of accas and first race doubles with Trawlerman.
How naïve to think Bookies don't have information from certain "gambling" yards
the answer to the question is winning a group 1 race....
Oh, I think I criticised a ride your boy gave one at Wolves....they were ALL on the winner that day. But to be fair, he's been riding really well this season, probably better than ever.
And of course.....One for the system! lol
And of course.....One for the system! lol
looking at starting price not many following the system 
Don't bet at festivals Whippen as i've been posting for the best part of 15 years
Or any pre race opinions I can read about how she can put her poor Ascot/Goodwood runs behind her? Of course not!
mitolo 22 Aug 25 15:30
York, 21 Aug 25
Race 1 - 1:50pm
THE SKY BET HERITAGE HANDICAP (CLASS 2) Winner £120 000
Permission was given for FRENCH DUKE NAQEEB and ZANNDABAD to all wear a red hood to post.
An enquiry was held to consider Tthe change of tactics on MOUNT ATLAS, having previously been held up in it's races. Jockey OISIN MURPHY reported that trainer ANDREW BALDING informed him that the owner was not interersted in winning and had laid it for a chunk so please make sure that he did his utmost to avoid this. It was agreed pre-race that MURPHY would go off like the clappers and knacker the thing on the worst ground. Afterwards BALDING said he had no problem with the ride.
Explanations were noted and doubles all-round
....................
very good.
York, 21 Aug 25
Race 1 - 1:50pm
THE SKY BET HERITAGE HANDICAP (CLASS 2) Winner £120 000
Permission was given for FRENCH DUKE NAQEEB and ZANNDABAD to all wear a red hood to post.
An enquiry was held to consider Tthe change of tactics on MOUNT ATLAS, having previously been held up in it's races. Jockey OISIN MURPHY reported that trainer ANDREW BALDING informed him that the owner was not interersted in winning and had laid it for a chunk so please make sure that he did his utmost to avoid this. It was agreed pre-race that MURPHY would go off like the clappers and knacker the thing on the worst ground. Afterwards BALDING said he had no problem with the ride.
Explanations were noted and doubles all-round
....................
very good.
Only posted as it's the standing forum joke with a winner following a bad ride , amazing how many times it happens and how quickly
The ground was too soft at Goodwood and this was a substandard renewal and no I didn't back it
I know, it's a cracking system, it's unrivalled in it profit making. I hope I've helped someone land a tidy bet on her today. 
It wasn't a 'system win' he was unplaced on his next ride, just to clarify 
A bit of fabrication makes it a better headline though stu , as the daily newspapers will testify
Docklands is not quite as good a horse at Epsom. Big horse, long stride, camber doesn’t suit. Poor jockey.
Murphy is envoloping we all know ,if in hong kong he would be gone ,tell me am wrong
Depends on the flavour Benji, mint to fruit or fruit to mint!! hth
WD to Timeform. They said it was a Group 1 horse after the h'cap ( not just a group horse )
no bet cider. Was too frightened of Never So Brave on the road like conditions he loves. Should of backed 'em both with most on the biggest price. That's how I usually play.
Not talking about the betting, you were convinced Rosallion was the fastest miler around and would win this easily, take the drop back to 7 in his stride. But he was outpaced, as I suspected. He needs stepping up, not back.
Maybe outclassed over 10, but I'd like to see him give it a shot. However unlikely that might be.
Think you're right Cider. Been in this game a long time and know that if you get a firm ground specialist that is also top class they take an awful lot of beating. If I had to choose today I would still have picked Rosallion. He's probably not quite as good as I thought but also likely doesn't want extremes of ground. No damage anyway.
It's not that quick, that race didn't even break standard. If he was a top class miler he should have been rocking up there on the snaff. I would like to see him in a conventional race over the longer trip. But yes his reputation goes before him and eventually the excuses run out.
Good one that. Hadn’t heard it but very true.
Another one I like which rarely applies now is “You can give away weight but you can’t give away ground”. Joe Mercer, who will have started pre-stalls when it would have made perfect sense.
Another one I like which rarely applies now is “You can give away weight but you can’t give away ground”. Joe Mercer, who will have started pre-stalls when it would have made perfect sense.
You could be right. At the end of the day horses don't perform to their very best in every race. We tend to get carried away by how good a horse is. But price is everything. That's why I couldn't back back one that I thought ( maybe wrongly ) was a great horse at a short price against such a very good 2nd fav.
ha, in the early days I was very belligerent and happy to pile in on the ones I liked. I am much more conservative in horse racing nowadays. Obviously matured as everyone does, and found out I wasn't infallible. But as I've mentioned previously, I also found my calling, specials betting (and politics). Which to be honest is so much easier than horse racing, I pretty much only do this for enjoyment and nicking a few quid here or there. However I'll always bet on horse racing as I love it, but not betting in the hundreds or thousands.
we all have our ways Cider , aside from bad e/way acca's which are enforced to play early my bets are 95% of the time placed in the final 30 secs as so much goes on during the shows , can never see the point any earlier as it's missing an integral part of the market and taking prices you think will shorten ( which so often turns out not to be the case anyway ) is a small sacrifice to pay long term for missing out on the very late market activity which invariably is an eye opener.
The only player in my house prior to the final 30 secs is the BOT
The only player in my house prior to the final 30 secs is the BOT
Yeah it's a long learning process Cider. I was lucky because I played fairly light in the early days. I think the advice Stephen Little gives to bookmaking " Don't take too strong an opinion " also applies to backing. Secretariat got beat 4 times ( & 1 disq )
"Don't take too strong an opinion" is extremely prudent even if the selections looks cast iron eg Field Of Gold (2000G/Sussex), Lambourn (Voltigeur) and Los Angeles (Ireland) just recently. Similarly, PSG against Chelsea in football.
A cast iron bet is only when it wins.
A cast iron bet is only when it wins.
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