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By:
longbridge
When: 20 Aug 25 13:53
25/1 tip on here.

Someone will remember a betting magazine ("Odds On"?) in the 90s which had a columnist with a regular systems article where such things were proposed and analysed?  The "refining" bit always smacked of the worst kind of back-fitting.

There cannot be much space left for such now - there must be enough people pointing AI at racing data to find such patterns and place bets so as to take any perceived value out?
By:
Ramruma
When: 20 Aug 25 16:00
Odds On had Nick Mordin (of later Weekender and still later Irish Field fame). I've got a pile of them on the shelf, iirc.
By:
longbridge
When: 20 Aug 25 16:22
Nick Mordin, that's the name I was thinking of.

I have enough of a maths education to be unhappy about the way he used the same data to build his model and to test it, but he had some fun ideas.

And the Spirit Mixer tip went short enough IR for a reasonable trade-out, so worth having looked at.
By:
Ramruma
When: 20 Aug 25 18:13
Nick Mordin had two things going for him:-

1. Great creativity to think of so many ideas;

2. A light and amusing writing style, so we'd read his ideas.

Not surprisingly, his day job was in an advertising agency.
By:
lead on
When: 20 Aug 25 18:24
Where is he now?
By:
longbridge
When: 20 Aug 25 18:33
No idea - he seems to have vanished 20 years ago.

People say he moved to the US or he dropped out of racing/gambling altogether or he died young.  Or all three.
By:
top2rated
When: 20 Aug 25 18:45
    System Qualifiers from 2025 Shergar Cup    
    Arisaig   
    Canvas   
    Claymore (FR)   
    Dramatic Star   
    Dream Harder (IRE)   
    La Vita Nova (IRE)   
    Manaccan   
    Mdawi (IRE)   
    Miss Information (IRE)   
    Seven Questions (IRE)   
    Spirit Mixer   
    Toca Madera (IRE)   
    Topteam (IRE)   
    Treasure Time   
    Up The Pace (IRE)   
    Zayer (IRE)   
By:
raspberrybottom
When: 20 Aug 25 18:57
Anyone remember "Inside Edge" magazine? Early to mid 2000's, I think.

I've got a huge pile of 'em somewhere - there was a regular "systems" column and loads of sports betting stuff.

Think it became "Poker Edge" later on and concentrated on that on the strength of what seemed to be an online poker boom at the time.

Shame really - it was a decent read.
By:
1st time poster
When: 20 Aug 25 21:05
mon mone french bred winning national burried mordin Laugh
By:
Ramruma
When: 20 Aug 25 22:12
Mon Mome 100/1 buried a lot of people.
By:
oneten
When: 21 Aug 25 07:46
lead on / longbridge, I'm pretty sure Mordin is in HK plying his trade out there, involved with one of the syndicates if my memory is correct
By:
top2rated
When: 21 Aug 25 08:43
Wonder if this is him on linkedin?

By:
longbridge
When: 21 Aug 25 09:07
thanks oneten/top2rated
By:
workrider
When: 21 Aug 25 18:13
Best ever paper for systems from ordinary punters sharing their ideas was surely the Handicap Book every Thursday . I would love to get one just to reread again..Modins Winning without thinking on my table as we speak , I must admit I found it complex and boring yet with a few insights...
By:
wingerwanger
When: 21 Aug 25 18:19
Video now recorded and added.
By:
top2rated
When: 21 Aug 25 19:11
[b]Manaccan, one of this year's system qualfiers, runs in tomorrow's Nunthorpe and four other qualiers entered up on Saturday. [/b]

    Time        Qualifier         SP        Placing        Jockey   
    16:30        Arisaig        4        5        Dolan, Robbie   
    15:55        Canvas        9        7        Davis, Katie   
    14:45        Claymore (FR)        7.5        8        Narredu, S   
    14:45        Dramatic Star        4.5        6        Iwata, Mirai   
    14:45        Dream Harder (IRE)        8.5        9        Graberg, P-A   
    14:10        La Vita Nova (IRE)        1.75        8        Doyle, Hollie   
    13:35        Manaccan        5        4        Doyle, Hollie   
    15:55        Mdawi (IRE)        4.5        5        Mason, Joanna   
    16:30        Miss Information (IRE)        7        7        Davis, Katie   
    13:35        Seven Questions (IRE)        8        7        Dolan, Robbie   
    14:10        Spirit Mixer        4        5        Mason, Joanna   
    13:35        Toca Madera (IRE)        5.5        9        Santiago, Delphine   
    15:55        Topteam (IRE)        3.5        4        Iwata, Mirai   
    16:30        Treasure Time        6.5        4        Doyle, Hollie   
    15:20        Up The Pace (IRE)        8        4        Narredu, S   
    15:20        Zayer (IRE)        5        9        Mason, Joanna   
By:
top2rated
When: 21 Aug 25 19:14
Correction...

Manaccan, one of this year's system qualfiers, runs in tomorrow's Nunthorpe and four other qualiers entered up on Saturday.

    Time        Qualifier         SP        Placing        Jockey   
    16:30        Arisaig        4        5        Dolan, Robbie   
    15:55        Canvas        9        7        Davis, Katie   
    14:45        Claymore (FR)        7.5        8        Narredu, S   
    14:45        Dramatic Star        4.5        6        Iwata, Mirai   
    14:45        Dream Harder (IRE)        8.5        9        Graberg, P-A   
    14:10        La Vita Nova (IRE)        1.75        8        Doyle, Hollie   
    13:35        Manaccan        5        4        Doyle, Hollie   
    15:55        Mdawi (IRE)        4.5        5        Mason, Joanna   
    16:30        Miss Information (IRE)        7        7        Davis, Katie   
    13:35        Seven Questions (IRE)        8        7        Dolan, Robbie   
    14:10        Spirit Mixer        4        5        Mason, Joanna   
    13:35        Toca Madera (IRE)        5.5        9        Santiago, Delphine   
    15:55        Topteam (IRE)        3.5        4        Iwata, Mirai   
    16:30        Treasure Time        6.5        4        Doyle, Hollie   
    15:20        Up The Pace (IRE)        8        4        Narredu, S   
    15:20        Zayer (IRE)        5        9        Mason, Joanna   
By:
workrider
When: 21 Aug 25 19:14
As An aside anyone got a Handicap book they don't want...
By:
top2rated
When: 22 Aug 25 07:27
By:
Ramruma
When: 22 Aug 25 13:16
Best part of the Handicap Book was Tim Fitzgeorge-Parker, former trainer of three broken-down platers and self-proclaimed expert in all matters equine, enemy of all innovations made since Queen Victoria unaccountably stopped attending Royal Ascot.
By:
Ramruma
When: 22 Aug 25 13:18
workrider, the most frequent letter-writer I can remember was Jim Adams who eventually wrote a book about handicapping. You could check the second-hand book market.
By:
1st time poster
When: 22 Aug 25 15:24
missed out on ahsgard captain 16,s Cry
By:
workrider
When: 22 Aug 25 16:05
Thanks Ramruma will do..
By:
workrider
When: 22 Aug 25 16:10
Just had a look on Amazon Ramruma and it looks like its similar to making your own handicap which I already have..
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