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Certainly does not provide anything for attendees , TV viewers and absolutely nothing for punters. A Group 1 worth £340K to the winner and only four runners with the possibility of a further withdrawal if the ground is deemed unsuitable for Estrange the second favourite.
The BHA stating why more money is being pumped in at the top end and recently cancelling a race ( Over jumps I think) with a similar entry citing not enough runners. Plenty on here are critical about the Racing League and fair comments about the team element, the fact is though that those races provide decent quality, decent fields, decent prize money and excellent betting opportunities.
Trying to plead about finances and attract new audiences certainly not a good look from the Yorkshire Oaks for the BHA in comparison?
The BHA stating why more money is being pumped in at the top end and recently cancelling a race ( Over jumps I think) with a similar entry citing not enough runners. Plenty on here are critical about the Racing League and fair comments about the team element, the fact is though that those races provide decent quality, decent fields, decent prize money and excellent betting opportunities.
Trying to plead about finances and attract new audiences certainly not a good look from the Yorkshire Oaks for the BHA in comparison?
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It is a shocking look I agree, this sport is in real, real trouble.
£600K race.
At least O'brien runs his horses most of the time.
At least O'brien runs his horses most of the time.
And I’m going for four days to watch this…..I’ll let them know Cagliari is unhappy…
what is the reason ? not enough horses thought good enough to declare ? ground? lack of ambition ? scared of getting beat ?
very embarrassing.
very embarrassing.
£16k for 5th and £8k for 6th is obviously not enough for some owners/trainers.
Peanuts to the money men nowadays…..
Old fashioned breeders gone now…..
Old fashioned breeders gone now…..
why don't itv refuse to show it on terrestrial TV,let all things are brilliant /excellent best in world Lord derby put it on the undercard
The Group 1 horses are in very few hands and those owners rarely want to run 2 or 3 in the same race. We also have clashes which mean that Sea The Fire can only run in the Juddmonte or the Yorks Oaks. Kalpana could have run in one of them but she seems to be aiming for the Arc after a low key prep somewhere. The disparity in prize money between the top 10 races and the rest is far too big and allows Aiden O'Brien to win the GB Trainers champs with about 25 wins in a year. It is the low number of runners in the class 5 and 6 races which is even more worrying as they have much less to lose. 4 in the first at Brighton today.
Could be worse , if Estrange is pulled out and Aidan decides to pull his two out due excess criticism of having too many runners in races , then it'll be a walkover 
At least that may waken up connections as to thinking why not take our chances and not to be frightened off by goat's and reputations.
Come on trainers you know who you are.
Agree with akajak , big big trouble.
At least that may waken up connections as to thinking why not take our chances and not to be frightened off by goat's and reputations.
Come on trainers you know who you are.
Agree with akajak , big big trouble.
Aug 19, 2025 -- 1:46PM, sageform wrote:
The Group 1 horses are in very few hands and those owners rarely want to run 2 or 3 in the same race. We also have clashes which mean that Sea The Fire can only run in the Juddmonte or the Yorks Oaks. Kalpana could have run in one of them but she seems to be aiming for the Arc after a low key prep somewhere. The disparity in prize money between the top 10 races and the rest is far too big and allows Aiden O'Brien to win the GB Trainers champs with about 25 wins in a year. It is the low number of runners in the class 5 and 6 races which is even more worrying as they have much less to lose. 4 in the first at Brighton today.
3 in the race after too
Maybe they should have a strike against their own incompetence in running the sport?
if Estrange doesn't run this maybe even a gig to far for chamberlain to big up,although I,m sure he,ll do his best
Hope the 2 jollies both get beat then the other trainers/owners that didnt take part will be kicking themselves.
I confess to not knowing the total cost of entering but the prize money surely enough to entice a couple of Group 2 performers with the added bonus of getting black type for hitting the frame? As it is AOB is getting both if Estrange is withdrawn and it will be there in future sales catalogues for any offspring regardless of the actual value of the form.
Akajak poised a very pertinent question regardless if there is a paucity of top GP 1 fillies, nothing ventured, nothing gained for owners and trainers of fillies just below the top level?
Akajak poised a very pertinent question regardless if there is a paucity of top GP 1 fillies, nothing ventured, nothing gained for owners and trainers of fillies just below the top level?
There was 150/1 of The Sussex Stakes.
Anything can happen if your prepared to have a go.
Paul Kellaway or Clive Brittain might have put one in in days gone by.
Anything can happen if your prepared to have a go.
Paul Kellaway or Clive Brittain might have put one in in days gone by.
Good shout barstool especially regarding Clive Brittain.
Thanks Hayden.
Remember backing Julio Mariner of his to win the St leger at long odds.
Remember backing Julio Mariner of his to win the St leger at long odds.
Needle Gun would be the best example of Clive's windmill tilting imo, he was great company at Yarmouth but a terrible dancer.
Enter by noon, July 1st and pay £2,625 stake. Scratch by noon, July 29th or pay £3,000. Confirm by noon, August 15th and pay £1,875.
Supplementary Entry by noon, August 15th and pay £40,000 stake
Declare by 10.00 a.m. August 19th
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Supplementary Entry by noon, August 15th and pay £40,000 stake
Declare by 10.00 a.m. August 19th
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He beat le moss that day barstool possibly the best stayer of them all.
Thanks T2R, so maybe a small gamble but even finishing 6th would more or less cover the entry. The reason I mentioned Needle Gun after barstool mentioned Clive was that the horse won less than £50K in win money but over half a million in place money. As barstool said, the likes of Clive would probably have taken the gamble knowing it was not going to be a big field.
No not that year barstool but I remember a great 2 year old called Devon ditty winning on the same card
the middle distance colts/fillies in training in uk is pathetic, well the trainers are, bar a few theyre not represented in group1 , eclipse, king george, irish derby etc etc, is a shambolic state, theyre gifting coolmore these prices
Breakdown by 'Yard Location' of 206 UK Turf Group One Middle Distance races 1m 2f-1m 6½f since June 2008
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Since June 2023 A P O'Brien (aka Munster) has won over half of all UK Turf Group One Middle Distance races 1m 2f-1m 6½f
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Since June 2023 A P O'Brien (aka Munster) has won over half of all UK Turf Group One Middle Distance races 1m 2f-1m 6½f
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Part of what's ruining Racing currently is lack of competition. The flat boys dont want to harm their reputations or are just scared of taking on AOB. Over the jumps we have horses by-passing races at Cheltenham from the same stable to target lesser pots diluting the championship races (though the additional races have invited this). The public want to see the best race against the best and currently are being deprived of this and it needs to be addressed otherwise the game will just become another minority sport (which it currently is not far off).
Estrange looks set to line up. Surprising but could be they're smelling blood from the form shown by coolmores runners. Not a lot to lose given they have ready made excuse.
Post the repeated dismal runs of AOB's shorties recently I think Minnie Hauk will need to be odds against for value. Her last run did not inspire utmost confidence either.
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I presume you’ll be laying her big time then……oh I forgot, you’re nothing but a 2 bob squealing flimper.
I presume you’ll be laying her big time then……oh I forgot, you’re nothing but a 2 bob squealing flimper.
Imho Minnie could win this wearing lead shoes. She is likely to improve herself. If the others keep her to two lengths they’ll be doing well. In fact, if she doesn’t win by two lengths or more I’ll do an acey. 
and leave the forum. Then come back! 
and leave the forum. Then come back!
Minnie Hauk for a 1l+ victory is 1/1; 250p with 'sly'.
Maybe traffic problem here. Is Keane riding? No excuse, if so.
Moore opined Breeders Cup (Turf) for Minnie Hauk, and Arc for Whirl given the probable softish going at Longchamp.
It is clearly financially preferable to train/own sprinters than stayers.
The median prize money for races over 12f+ should be at least twice that for 5f/6f races at all levels.
The median prize money for races over 12f+ should be at least twice that for 5f/6f races at all levels.
Chat pre race for Estrange while honest and up front, explained that she wouldn't be given an overly hard race ue to the ground concerns, and that's how it turned out in the race itself.
3 runner race at Newmarket today, another dreadful spectacle. The game, I fear, is wilting and dying before our very eyes.
3 runner race at Newmarket today, another dreadful spectacle. The game, I fear, is wilting and dying before our very eyes.
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