Great Voltigeur Weds.

won't be paying £80 for wed was there last year but card no where like as good

Then the Juddmont. 6 run. Again only two Brits.

Agreed
Betting with bet356...
Lambourn 4/7
Carmers 13/2
Pride of Arras 8/1
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(I started a thread a few down about exchange cards for Wednesday not up yet t)

last year the Wednesday was prob the best flat cards of the year

Juddmonte prices, same firm

Ombudsman 7/4
Delacroix 15/8
And the Japanese horse, Damon Decile 9/2
9s bar

For reference

Has a Derby winner ever run in this before?

reference Point? At a guess

Reference Point & St Paddy.

Teenoso was beaten in the race .

Your hard to please Howard

Cracking sprint to start with with lots of old favourites and some relatively unexposed ones

An acomb where all 7 have previously won

A great voltiguer with a dual derby winner plus a royal Ascot winner

The judmonte prince of wales winner eclipse winner and Japanese derby winner (we can’t have frankels every year )

Fillies sprint the horse of the year so far

Two competitive handicaps also


Good luck Howard not an say card but a very good one

Say = easy

Good to see a positive racing post jimnast, nearly everything has become a negativity and doom and gloom.
It's a cracking few days racing, good luck with your punts.

Thanks the dealer I just think the ebor meeting and royal Ascot has something for everyone some races can just be enjoyed without a bet.

Good luck to you also

best thing about the opening sprint is by not having a bet you can work out if its worth having a bet in later 2 sprints on card or will it be like latest York meeting,s  where 60% of the field are drawn out of it

I get that everyone is different, I can go racing and not have a bet, I love watching it, seeing the winners come in, the parade ring before a race. One thing we don't lack every day is variety and volume of racing every day,

And there you go

Our trainer is a nervous wreck already as she goes in tomorrow with 2 live chances in the sprints. Try telling her, the owners, the girls in the  yard, that those 2 sprint handicaps mean nothing and shouldn't be there.

A good point first time poster however I’m not capable of not having a bet in these big field sprint handicaps,no problem just watching many races but not these.

Which trainer the dealer no problem if you would sooner not post on here.

Katie Scott, all fingers and toes crossed tomorrow, for good runs and home safe and sound

Magic for a yard her size to have a couple go there with a chance

The horse I referred to as the horse of the year so far

Excellent trainer

Yes it can be the magnificent 7 for Luna tomorrow. What a but at £1000.

She is so honest and just really down to earth, a great wee yard to be involved in.

Buy

the dealer. 19 Aug 25. 14:14.    Same here.

Brilliant to hear that , micheal Herrington who also has a runner in the fillies sprint fits the description of Katie he just wants to train winners an incredibly hard working man.

these older horse sprints seem to be at a crossover point,where established horses on downgrade and younger horses as of yet not quite what you,d call York sprint type regular,s,tomorrow's race falls in to that bracket for me,the Quinn sprinter would normally be in but going up to group level as quick as he arrived on the sprint  scene

Yes a very fair point about tomorrow’s race 1st time poster falling into that bracket,a puzzle I will enjoy attempting to solve.

A pathetic turnout for the Group races, and the prices are pants too. That's the problem with a quasi-monopoly exhibited by Coolmore and AOB.

Without the Obrien rnrs, the Yorkshire Oaks would be a match & quite possibly
a walkover.

I really have to have a bet jimnast to justify  £200+  travel & entry.  Put a line through nearly  all  age  4+ h'caps  and any sprint h'caps.  Needed better big races wed. Don't see any betting angle.

I'm sure there will be more runners if AOB does not have a runner in the race.

Why are you sure?

Is it common for a Derby winner (let alone a dual Derby winner) to run here? Have there been many (any) esp from AOB?

Read the thread.

He scored off Merchant didn’t he?

*scared  - so we don’t get to test that formline.

Something to be said about Lambourn going left handed hey honcho

I'd back Pride Of Arras, but he ran a stinker in Ireland. I think he'd be another Ambiente Friendly but without being a runner-up in The Derby.

Lambourn ought not to be running here esp if Scandinavia is Leger bound. This is usually a prep for the Leger; his participation has spoiled the betting market.

TREFOR
VANTHEMAN
KENDALL ROY
will be my 3 against the field, and on Fri SHE,S QUALITY in nunthorpe not cost me as I've been to all her funerals all season EW,be waiting for extra places ew again,but she,s my top bet this week,as long as draw looks ok,it might be THE WEDDING DAY

“Ought not to be running here”,  “Spoiled the betting market”? 

3.00 York
Sky Bet Great Voltigeur Stakes (Group 2), 1m4f
Harry's tip: Lambourn

lambourn 13 to 8 boost with slybet

"we have just kept Lambourn ticking over, we haven't been hard on him in his training at all. This is just an in-between sort of race for him. We'll decide what next after this-whether he'll go for the Ledger or the Arc. He's in good form but I'd stress we haven't been hard on him at home".

AOB.

Those words looked to have caused the drift.

boom

Superboost: Lambourn is 13/8 with 'Denise' - max 100p only; 'sly' 6/4 - max 250p. Pathetic both!

Never looked comfortable.

Backers of carmers won't be pleased with wee keane.

Crazy prices ir on Lambourn, 1.7 when looking in trouble.

Pride Of Aras! I gave up on him post Ireland and likened him to US Army Ranger yesterday.

Where's 'acey'?

no khazi like york

Trip far too sharp The Pomp

Got boxed in by the other Ballydoyle horses, was tracking Lambourn bu that thing was going nowhere

AOB runners out of the
PLACES

At York I  agree irons. not best positioned again, been watching him a lot since he's been over and he wouldn't be my retainer.

Pride Of Arras,much better off @ the weights today than his last 2 outings.

Backers of Carmers will be delighted for the run over a distance to short, plus not the clearest of runs, will be a different animal with extra distance.

The weight of his orchestras?

Not sure they would be delighted jersey. He lost.

Aug 20, 2025 -- 3:13PM, penzance wrote:

Pride Of Arras,much better off @ the weights today than his last 2 outings.

yeah 2lb for 20l & 50l turnarounds...obvious chance

play sleighed calmers. thought it was awe lover 

cant they bolt its cobblers back on?

how about tying them up like you can for a geezer, which makes it reversible? my mate had it done and walked round with a sandwich board advertising the fact

wonders.

Can someone explain to me where the benefit lies from running a dual Derby G1 winner in a G2 anyway ?

I’ve no idea.  He looked an ordinary horse today.  The form variations today at York make punting a minefield.

York,with a few exceptions is a minefield,Honcho.
I still remember Brigadier Gerard losing his only race there

So do I.  I couldn’t quite believe it at the time.  Roberto wasn’t it?

It was.
Lester turned the ride down to ride Rheingold and a Panamanian jockey rode Roberto (the Derby winner).
Both the first two beat the Course Record.
An inexplicable result that has happened since at York

Braulio BAEZA, my namesake

I’d forgotten the Lester dumping of Roberto.  I think Rheingold gave him his first Arc win?

Rheingold may well have won the Epsom Derby if Bill Williamson wasn't jocked off Roberto to be replaced by Piggott , we'll never know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUUoFx7Onv4

£151,699.25 if u win leopard

It was astonishing really.  Twenty yards from the line Piggott whipped the horse rapid fire.  My memory is that he was like a demented dervish.  Would he have gotten away with it under today’s rules?

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Would a loss in a G2 not devalue stud fees to a greater degree howard ?

Of course dual derby winner so maybe not so much

Just seemed a strange target

THE PIGGS famous RATTER TAT TAT,  for us of a certain generation most famously administered to  THE MINSTREL to win the derby, was punting as a 17 yr old and backed HOT GROVE ew at 28,s

doubt if he will be anything but a NH sire leopard. He's a soft ground stayer.  They know that whatever the targets. Only an Arc win can "save" him. He is being run to fit in with that aim. Nothing else matters.

I cannot envisage Lambourn commanding more than £10k per pop. I think he'd be more suitable for NH racing. He won 2 very substandard Derbies, both managed and fortuitous.

Fortuitous

Imbecile123 strikes again.

No jumping for bait here.