Thoughts on Hannon

Great quote to go with this thread in todays paper…


Hannon is very bullish (No I don’t believe it) seven won’t be a problem as he put up two of his best performances over this trip!

I’m still gonna have a few bob on it but if he loses I’ll never touch another Hannon horse again and if he wins I’ll still never touch another Hannon horse again…

Unless he says of his next stable star…it’s the best horse I’ve ever had , I’m happy with him , it can’t get beat , I wouldn’t swap him for anything , hes the best horse in the race , hes been aimed at this race for 3 years

Dano

If Rosallion had been scratched from the Marois because of the ground then I'd back him on saturday even over 7f with/without the endorsement of his trainer. However, bad communication (and smirking) and dismissing the bruised foot as something totally innocuous and nothing to worry about I'm concerned to back him at 7/4. He's also been chinned 2x (when well) when he ought to have won one eg Sussex Stakes when Field Of Gold was lame.

Our fellow is in great shape and I wouldn’t stand by another was a new one, impossible where’s your Bismark thread?

My Bismarck thread is not on the front page due to very few contributors, I guess, despite some here are solely "layer".

I like Rosallion. I hope he wins an overdue Gp 1 this season. But, I'm not backing him unless he's the subject of a 'superboost'.

Super boost!

"superboost" = risk immunity ie a free bet. I backed Arsenal against Man Utd for a fiver. I received 50 free spins for my custom --> 688p return.

Impossible? Have you seen an article or on tv when you said he was smirking and bad communication if so that is worrying? Share did you see that mate?

Where

Where

Where

Sorry all hit the button three times as I thought it didn’t go through? What an edjit

Ollie asked him on saturday about the horse's scratching from The Marois and his interview with Chapman. He did not seem perturbed or embarrassed, even grin (smirk to me). I thought he did not take the late scratching as punter unfriendly for backers who'd backed Rosallion on his interview with Chapman.

Thanks Impossible I didn’t see that but that typifies the the guy no regards for punters what a joke he is getting…

Cheers
Dano

Delashay • August 19, 2025 8:58 AM BST
I hadn’t seen the interview with Chaoman can anyone recall what day it was?

There’s a video of Rosallion working the day before (Thursday the 14th) announcement was made. The horse was fine and Hannon seemed happy. Timmy Murphy was happy and the horse was due to ferry over on the Friday night.



Published on 15 August 2025i

Rosallion will be rerouted to the City Of York Stakes next Saturday, having been ruled out of Sunday's Prix Jacques le Marois with a bruised foot.
Trainer Richard Hannon revealed on Friday night that last year's St James's Palace Stakes winner had sustained the injury this week and has been treated. He has not, however, recovered in time for a trip to France, where he was favourite for the mile Group 1 contest.

Reporting like this the way that it’s worded makes it sound as though it was some time previously which is why I like many may have felt it was late to let people know.
More details on when the injury occurred should have been made clear, knowing that there was a video from the day before released showing the colt to be fine.

Telling Hannon says during the interview that he was a Group 1 winner at 2 the at 3 and we’d like it to be at Four.

He mentioned that he’d face many good horses in France and I believe that the decision was made to try to take in a potentially weaker race to secure that Group 1.

I can’t and am not saying that a bruised foot didn’t occur after the video of him working. The reports are too vague to confirm that, so better journalism please.

I do however think that by reading between the lines they are desperate for that Group 1 win at Four whatever the distance.

Delashay • August 19, 2025 9:14 AM BST
The video was shot on Wednesday released on Thursday said stone bruise could have occurred then, fact remains the Delashay • August 19, 2025 9:14 AM BST
The video was shot on Wednesday released on Thursday said stone bruise could have occurred then, fact remains the report was vague.

It’s simple to clear up - you ask him when the bruise occurred. Terrible reporting.

]Delashay • August 19, 2025 9:08 AM BST

So has there been a dip in confidence to opt for an easier looking race within the camp? Those backing at short odds should contemplate that.

If people don’t believe that the colt suffered a stone bruise then they are pot hunting for a G1 in an easier looking race.

The video was long and the only other thing I learnt was he likes shopping for chocolate, Ralph Lauren shirts and Hermes for ties, but not at the moment as, “They are too thin!”

Shopping in Deauville for those!

Missing the race gives him more than the 18 days that was between races and the sectional bods did that he put in a big effort.

All could be reasons why the race could have been ducked.

This subject has become exceptionally tedious, even boring.  Why anyone bets ante-post, on one single entrant, just defeats me anyway,  but worse, why anybody can take the idle chatter of another person - whatever connection he may have with the intended bet - as a certain basis on which to risk their hard-earned cash on the basis of that idle chatter, is just mind-blowing in its stupidity.

Totally agree LoyalHoncho

It’s the lure of bigger odds, greed can do that. Not everyone goes for 1.01 and the thought of being clever, spotting something that others have missed.

Thing is and I’ll say again the reporting is amateurish. There would BE NO convo to be had or suspicion if things were done in the correct manner.

And as for Anti post it seems there’s only a couple who play that way publicly. You could get good odds, most odds are squeezed to truck now.

After Maki won the Guineas at 33/1 any French colt that was mentioned for Newmarket was put in at 14/1 16/1

I got 16/1 Dolyniya for the Sheena Classic asked the manger to phone up and quote me because I’d read she was going. Won at 7’s they screwed up.

Maki never won the Guineas, Makfi did and was never available Anti post!!

Oh dear a mistype, ordinarily I wouldn’t entertain talking to you, but would you like to bet that?

That odds of 100/1 for Makfi in the 2000 Guineas were available ante post were available before he won the Prix Debel?

And that after he strolled that 66/1 was readily available?

On the day went off at 33/1.

I don't mind a bet that it was Ante Post as opposed to Anti Post?

Plenty of us filled our boots and kept on filling them!

Sir Peter O'Sullevan was seen lumping on famously - anyone recall that story?

Even that no horse called Dolyniya won the Sheema Classic if you desire?

No need to be pedantic so that you have someone to talk to!

Dolniya (FR)
Age: 4 (Foaled April 5th, 2011)
Sex: Bay Filly
Breeding: Azamour (IRE) - Daltama (IRE) (Indian Ridge (IRE))
Trainer: A De Royer Dupre
Owner: H H Aga Khan

The trouble with Anti post is that they don’t put up the markets when they should. You could get a bet on for Chelts Gold Cup next year or the 2000 guineas next year before the Ascot Champion’s races were priced up for example.

You couldn’t even bet at York for the first day a couple of days ago because the markets weren’t up!

The “trouble” with ante-posts is that they exist.  Unless it’s a group activity like the Open or the Greyhound Derby, where you are looking to trade out/green up as it goes along it is for the birds. imo.

No market up when there ought to be. This is why a radical change in the policy governing the betting industry is an absolute must; the present ones are non-plus about making a book. They are only interested in fobt and casino games.

He just stood there and said to Chapman that there was nothing wrong with him the last day.

I'm on Rosallion at 7/4 on saturday...for the price and long overdue Gp 1 this season. Maybe life is too short given horseracing is only a game to most.

I picked Song Of The Clyde; I used a pin. Why not? Some gold miners use a couple of bent wires to try and pinpoint where the gold might be.

That’s one of your best Impossible!

Bullet Point as well. I'm guaranteed 5 free spins with 2 winners already.

How much is this pin up for? Is postage free?

Thought that Hannon’s remark yesterday showed total contempt and he was on on the mace big time saying what he did. They bottled the race in France and are as said before desperate to win a G1 this year.

Since I put up this thread on Hannon it’s been quite a talking point and great to read all the comments…

I’m really wary of Hannon now and I just don’t trust him he’s just not genuine and the stat that his strike rate is 11% which I still find that unbelievable as he’s had the best horses in the world and they can’t be beat…

But I’ve always liked Rosie he owes me nothing and whatever happens I’m still sticking with my bet of £100 which I’m being honest I’ve never put £100 on a horse in my natural and I’m in my 70s…

So I’m going for it and will see what the best price is tomorrow morning but after the great feedback from everyone I will probably never trust Hannon again no matter what the result will be tomorrow?

Thanks again everyone for the input and what will be will be…

2,s rosallion with slybet

.......and Sportsbook

10p max bet for me on sportsbook lol

5/4 Sportsbook.

They've gone 2/1 into 7/4 Sportsbook

I like him.

'Denise' seems to have lost the plot. She has Rosallion (1/1) and Quirat (20/1). However, either to win is 10/11. Seriously? Also, I'm restricted to 100p for their superboost = 'go away'.

Sportsbook (100p); 'sly' (250p). 'Denise' (100p). Now, the game is truly kapoot!

Looking at the opposition Rosallion should be a good thing.  Surely he should be odds on?  But will he do it?

The Sportsbook on here is completely beyond the pale.

Contemptible beyond words.

levey wide with no cover...same old story

I’m sorry Danaho that you never had a win with him today, the rest that backed him oh dear!

All the furore about this horse and his bad luck.  One word wrong.  Bad horse.  Books must absolutely love him.
Yes, bad horse.  Good horses win good races and he doesn’t.

Wait till Danny's boy wifey finds out he went max with a hunner

lol.  Pension raided.

Will he keep the horse? Any betting?

Rosallion another great example of an “unlucky” horse never getting out of the rut.

Horse needs a change of scenery and different tactics

Send the 'oss to Burke

Hannon was reported to have said Rosallion did not travel as he normally does. What an unprofessional comment? 7f may have been too sharp, and the wide draw. Also, the horse has had his no 1 race scratched due to a bruised foot. This race was only an afterthought.

Delashay • August 23, 2025 3:10 PM BST
Delashay • August 19, 2025 9:08 AM BST

So has there been a dip in confidence to opt for an easier looking race within the camp? Those backing at short odds should contemplate that.

For the aftertimers out there

They bottled The Jaques Le Marois and went for what they thought to be a weaker G1

Hannon was all laughs the other day with Trapman when he said there wasn’t anything wrong with him the other, not so funny now huh?

I suppose the question is were he and Exactly to have had each others draw would he have won?  Ruby, who’s a chit-hot judge imv, feels it cost him at least a length.  I feel he would have found some other way to lose.
Rosallion - perennial  loser.  Highly likely never to win again.

not sure why hannon/MSM fell the need for trainer to make excuses every race for a horse that's bordering on the opposition singing CAN WE PLAY YOU EVERY WEEK as they enter the stalls.it will fall in to a group one on the grounds of there been lots of them about,but be champion miler etc

Loyal Lake Forrest was also inconvenienced by a wide draw and the bloke beforehand said he wanted faster ground, the track for me has looked shat with the way that it’s been coming up.

Dont buy this draw cRrap, supposed to be a miler, had every chance if good enough shuld of picked this lot up on his back.
His head carrieage says it all when under pressure , one to avoid the horse is a Dog

There was no bad luck all the draw had nothing to  with it he was beat fair and square and I hope Hannon doesn’t make any excuses that would be ignorantl to the horse that won the race. Lost my £100 but owes npme nothing…

The wife was upset I lost a tenner so nobody say anything right

horse ran his race trying to get competitive ,last furlong should have been his strongest but 3 horse he,d gone by 2 out ame back and headed him.tells me not enough speed on bridle to keep up

Moore was not riding to facilitate Rosallion, and connections should have anticipated that. However, Rosallion with a different trainer = a winning result.

Delashay • August 19, 2025 9:08 AM BST

So has there been a dip in confidence to opt for an easier looking race within the camp? Those backing at short odds should contemplate that.


Delashay • August 19, 2025 8:58 AM BST

Telling Hannon says during the interview that he was a Group 1 winner at 2 the at 3 and we’d like it to be at Four.

He mentioned that he’d face many good horses in France and I believe that the decision was made to try to take in a potentially weaker race to secure that Group 1.

I do however think that by reading between the lines they are desperate for that Group 1 win at Four whatever the distance.

Delashay • August 16, 2025 3:09 PM BST
What was he for Deauville? 9/4? Looked short to me

Still no takers for your nonsense impossible.

Also believe Ruby was totally wrong it didn’t cost him a length he was never stopped and was never checked he lost by three decent horses that should be tge total end to all the excuses …

Dano

Hannon always talks them up but the ducking of a G1 should have rang alarm bells with people. Actions and words.

Fair play Danaho that’s dignified and a credit.

Not even placed ffs....End of thred.

acey new.

Let's hope Rosallion goes for the QE2 at Ascot, and hopes for good ground even if Field Of Gold is present. Do not think about Aar Day.

Couldnay Train Ducks Tay Quack ffs.

lol

Agree with the bit about having to run his race twice to get onto the leading group, seemed way too far out of his ground imo.

Now he's alleged to have told Mr Rust this.

Hannon: "I talked to Sheikh Mohamed Obaid this morning, I don't think the Moulin...it comes a little quick and I don't want to go to a race like that off the back of this so close to it. I'd love to go to the Breeders Cup. I honestly think he'd go round there like Sclextric, but then again you're relying on getting a good draw and if he does that he'd have early speed and with two bends he would be able to kick off the last bend. I always thought he'd be very hard to beat in a Breeders' Cup Mile. We've got to think of him as a stallion and I think it's essential he wins somewhere."

The reference to "Scalextric" is professional suicide, and desperation; the horse has had 3 attempts to win, coming up short each time thro' no fault of its own. And, now to America - a totally different ball game at the end of possibly its final season.

I wonder if Mr Hannon has ever sought the advice of Hannon (senior) on this matter.

I wouldn't be surprised if Old Hannon thinks that junior is a dick like everybody else..

A point of view few of the rest of us will not have considered and, now that you mention it,…….highly likely to be right.

imo will hose up in the qe11 if turns up

Probably if Field Of Gold is retired prior and prevailing ground is no slower than good. I hope he shows up too rather than in Americano.

CagliariG • August 20, 2025 1:16 PM BST
Maki never won the Guineas, Makfi did and was never available Anti post!!

Delashay • August 20, 2025 1:36 PM BST
Oh dear a mistype, ordinarily I wouldn’t entertain talking to you, but would you like to bet that?


That odds of 100/1 for Makfi in the 2000 Guineas were available ante post were available before he won the Prix Debel?


Delashay • August 20, 2025 1:37 PM BST
And that after he strolled that 66/1 was readily available?

On the day went off at 33/1.

Makfi (GB) 3, b c 9-0 (Mr M Offenstadt)
(1:36.35 2.21 secs faster on today's going ) (Drawn 15)
Dubawi (IRE) - Dhelaal (GB)(Green Desert (USA))
(Morning price: 33/1 25/1 28/1)
SP 33/1


https://www.irishracing.com/raceresults/Sat-1st-May-2010/Newmarket/1505

Hmmmm ain’t it a shame that you never did have a bet with me on that!?

Still you lost more in being a complete know it all know nothing!

No AP prices

He just turned up on the day and was never quoted before it! Oh how racings changed!

I think his days as a top-draw trainer could be history. The handling of Rosallion left a lot to be desired last season. A match to Hendo and Constitution Hill.

Choice of riders would help tbh.

Can any of you more seasoned pros than myself, please tell me when Ante Poste was introduced after the 1st of May 2010?

Charlie Poste's child?

Is there any current trainer who took over from their old man anywhere near his level as a trainer?

Willie Mullins has done OK.

Joey Sticks O’Brien has won races that his father has dreamed of winning with far less ammo.

MJK

Gary Moore has done much better than his father Charlie


Years ago Charlie also used to run a used car lot on the side in Brighton and I looked at a car he had up for sale.

The rear doors were held together by bale string stretching across from one rear door to the other as one door would not close properly.

I asked Charlie about this and he said 'just treat it as a 2 seater and you be all right'.

Charlie was ok he used to go down to Black Horse pub in Rottingdean a coastal village near his stables and point to all his drinking buddies to what the chances of his runners were and overall a good judge.

Gary hasn't done better and letting even the owners know.

*at

Hannor Jr IMO looks to be decline, be very lucky to keep hold of the Obaid horses given the mess he made of Rosallion  last year.

Very smug individual…..always smirking.

Started the turf well.