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12 Jul 25
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Looks a wrong’n, wonder how long he will last
When poppa paw departs??
When poppa paw departs??
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It's hilarious whenever they're debriefing the jockeys exclusively address John. Weird setup. Either give the lad his head and step aside or continue on exclusively
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Yeah it’s a bit weird, he looks like the old man’s
Holding his hand, he should be doing all the media ?? He looks and behaves as the junior partner? |
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Seems odd he calls his dad, John?
I could never call my father Pergrine |
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Doesn't seem charismatic or smart as the old man either but perhaps that will come with experience. Roger Charltons son seems to be handling the succession well.
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 'What John has achieved is pretty cool, right? Working with him is fantastic - it's a very privileged position to be in' |
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Good luck to the young man.
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Wif out daddie...
He be a Betfair forumite |
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It's a delicate thing, succession. Millions and millions at stake with some of the wealthiest owners on the planet looking for continuity and assurances over the level of operation not dropping off.
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Hannon Jnr handled it well.
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Young thady doesn't suffer fools and poorjockey ship , let that be warning to gosden jockeys
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that's what I thought, with a smell up his nose.
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Plenty of good stories with succession. Ed Bethell, Harry Eustace, Andrew Balding although much longer ago, Ricard Hannon. The jury is out on Charlton imo. Plenty of success from trainers with no background heritage such as Charlie Appleby, Boughey, Beckett, Olly Murphy. Ex jockeys have a mixed record but Richard Hughes seems to be getting the hang of it after a few moderate seasons. We can only really judge Thady when Big John is truly retired which might be a while. In the past some have gone on too long such as Peter Walwyn, John Dunlop and Sir Michael Stoute.
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If memory serves I think Gosden senior took a step back a while ago. Maybe Gosden junior does not feel sufficiently ready or confident to assume a bigger role yet; maybe at the behest of Mrs Gosden. Also, the rich and powerful owners at Clarehaven might not be ready for a change of head honcho.
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Putting Thady on the license does not necessarily mean a step back yet. Presumably Thady has been assistant for some time. Johnson White has been assistant to Philip Hobbs for 35 years at least but only now is on the license as a joint trainer.
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Yes i am sure young Thady would be happier Big Game Hunting.
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Is Thady the only child? He looks a mummy's boy to me.
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Thats a bit mean buddy and no i dont thing he is.
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Most likely a public school boarder from a very young age. He looks so young and innocent and timid.
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Gosden in his recent interview on rtv was stating that so many of his owners are in God's waiting room, effectively. Clearly this yard are having another really good season, landed on another superstar (possibly two), and enjoyed amazing Royal Ascot. This would be like taking over from the hairdryer at Old Trafford, only one way it can go, and it's not up.
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Never mind about Thady Jack Channon is showing that nepotism can work, revitalized that yard and without many middle eastern owners apart from Jaber Abdullah.
Look at Jack Channon's strike rate 24% Superb Stuff. |
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Just look at the siblings of AOB. It's not easy even with the support and firepower of Coolmore, and AOB at their disposal. Eve Johnson Houghton has done very well. She's more than holding her own in a sport where men tend to have the most support of the rich and powerful owners.
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It's fine if you can improve on what's gone before. That's a 1000 shot for Thady. And his benchmark will always be what his father achieved. Pipe is probably the obvious example.
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not exactly the time for violins though, will always be a rich man wanting for very little.
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I would have thought that pacifying those mega owners for him on his own would be nigh on impossible when the time comes.
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It's the result at the end of the day.
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think he's got better prospects than most forumites wouldn't u say ?
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Tends to be the case for most of the spawn of multimillionaires
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Joseph Patrick O'Brien Major wins as a trainer
Republic of Ireland Ireland Irish Derby - (1) - Latrobe (2018) Moyglare Stud Stakes – (1) – Intricately (2016) National Stakes – (3) – Thunder Moon (2020), Al Riffa (2022), Scorthy Champ (2024) Matron Stakes – (1) – Iridessa (2019) Pretty Polly Stakes - (2) - Iridessa (2019), Thundering Nights (2021) Irish Gold Cup - (1) - Edwulf (2018) Paddy's Reward Club Chase - (1) Solness (2024) Punchestown Champion Chase - (1) - Banbridge (2024) Racing Post Novice Chase - (1) - Le Richebourg (2018) Arkle Novice Chase - (1) - Le Richebourg (2019) Golden Cygnet Novice Hurdle - (1) - Tower Bridge (2018) Spring Juvenile Hurdle - (2) - Sir Erec (2019), A Wave of the Sea (2020) Drinmore Novice Chase - (1) - Fakir D’oudairies (2019) Christmas Hurdle - (2) - Home By The Lee (2022, 2024) Dublin Chase - (1) - Solness (2025) Australia Australia Melbourne Cup – (2) – Rekindling (2017), Twilight Payment (2020) Cox Plate - (1) - State Of Rest (2021) France France Critérium de Saint-Cloud - (1) - Tennessee Stud (2024) Prix Ganay – (1) – State Of Rest (2022) Prix Saint-Alary - (1) - Above The Curve (2022) United Kingdom Great Britain Fillies' Mile - (2) - Iridessa (2018), Pretty Gorgeous (2020) Prince of Wales's Stakes - (1) - State Of Rest (2022) St Leger Stakes - (1) - Galileo Chrome (2020) Melling Chase - (2) - Fakir D'oudairies (2021, 2022) Ascot Chase - (1) - Fakir D'oudairies (2022) Manifesto Novices' Chase - (1) - Banbridge (2023) King George VI Chase - (1) - Banbridge (2024) United States United States Breeders' Cup Filly & Mare Turf - (1) - Iridessa (2019) Saratoga Derby Invitational Stakes - (1) - State Of Rest (2021) Germany Germany Grosser Preis von Berlin - (1) - Al Riffa (2024) Considering that he is still only 32, I would say that is a pretty impressive record. When he won the first of his 2 Melbourne Cups, he was the youngest ever trainer to win it. |
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He didn't lick it off a stone
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terrible isnt it, i can name you winners of most of the above races in the 80s and 90s, but i can honestly say i cant remember any of those joseph obrien group1 / grade 1 winners .
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Good post Marksman , great record for one so young and must confess didn't know his track record was that good
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Great record yes but if you had put up a list of the horse names and asked which race they won, I would only have got Banbridge right.
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