Pricing the Coral Eclipse, the way I see it

Brave shout but wrong imho

2s, no chance, yad be knocked over in the rush, market looks right
Favs price revolves around the ascot run. If you believe it. Hé either
Badly needed thé Sandown run, and improved dramatically at ascot,
Or they went way too fast, all stopped, and hé came through, looking
A different horse. They went steady in alaqams race, he traveled up well
Never looked like passing, beat 2 lens.

No pace in tomorrow’s race, other than Delacroix, so I’d imagine Moore will lead, and go
Stead, and try nick it from front, cant have the other 3yo’s, dont know enough
About French horse.

If I got a free grand bet, back thé jolly, 100 bet, Delacroix, hmmmm

if as most people do think the 3yr olds arnt much cop ,the french horse bog at 5,s must be the bet ,isnt it ?

Field of golds not bad?

Hi PL what does, “ Delacroix, hmmmm….” Translate as?

FOG aint a problem tomorrow
FOG never ran over 10 f

so we,ll park him for now

Delashay • July 4, 2025 5:11 PM BST Irish Derby thread… (where we were discussing)
Delashay • July 2, 2025 6:27 PM BST

ponchoslament • July 2, 2025 6:21 PM BST
Haven’t done the race, but I have given you 6 already

Thanks for the 6! Laugh

Delashay • July 4, 2025 5:12 PM BST
Looking back ….

ponchoslament • July 2, 2025 6:50 PM BST
Hmmm maybe, at least you put one up, 20s,  He’s a length behind Tennessee stud
Who was 7 behind Delaquox?? Imagine Moore  will ride dela? Best chance of the 3yo’s ?

And to what you’ve just posted it seems that you had part done the race or made your fancies! ;)

So you’re adding Delacroix with the short priced fav?!

Just to throw it out there and ask, where does this notion that the 3year olds are duff come from?

Caviar Heights Was just beaten by a real spam fritter of a 3 year old in Windlord.

Further back was Check n Challenge

Who’d been beaten this season:

4 1/2L by Haatem 1m 2F
4 1/4 Lead Artist 1m g1
4 3/4 Sardinian Warrior 1m
3 3/4 Dancing Gemini 1m

Just wanted to throw it out there ….

Opinions welcome

FOG will better over 1.2

Dela, I ain’t got the time for ya, sorry

I need apologise for not having the answers!

And as for giving me time, you’d best use that for form study.

I’ve got girls who give me that time!

6 Gp1 winners in a 6 horse Gp1.  It’s probably happened before but pretty rare I would guess.
It begs the question as to what will set the pace and whether there will be a good pace.

As we discussed on the Irish Derby Thread - there’s G1’s then there’s G1’s

True but each one will be wanting to win this and will thus be keen to look after their prospects as the race starts and unfolds.
The possibility of a false early pace is the point I raise.

I discussed pace on the AP thread maybe I’ll be wrong but I gave it go

And there’s 5 g1 winners no? in a six horse race?

Good point.  Delacroix not.  Yet

Haha thanks for revealing your fancy!

Watch the Ptaker namesake get on that too now!

No, not my fancy.  Strange race.

Normally I’m in the New Forrest watching and to who anyone who believes in AOB and Lazarus you might not do too bad in doing the resurrection double this weekend!

Delacroix
Lion in Winter

Neither were put in the Derby ….

1tp's view on Sosie ticks the box with me. G L.

wheres the feeling 3 yr olds arnt up to much, just the  chatter, but if you think otherwise this week you could have backed both of AOB,s tomorrow at 7,s this week in a 6 horse race including a 50,s rag at one point

Sosie, all form on soft ?? Gd to fm ??

Just to throw it out there and ask, where does this notion that the 3year olds are duff come from

Was mostly referring to tge derby 3yo’s, staying 3yo’s

The bookies dont seem to rate the milers either, they were 6/5, 9/2 thé 2 4yo
Field of gold looks way ahead of them, hard to think the ones behind him ascot
Are thst good. Just my opinion….

From the Ap forum

Fabre was of the opinion earlier in the season that good ground was crucial to Sosie

Tom Segal has nailed his colours to the mast and believes it won't be a member of the Classic generation who wins Saturday's Coral-Eclipse (3.35).

Segal doesn't think the form of the three-year-olds, whose charge is led by Derby disappointment Delacroix, is up to scratch and has it as a shootout between Prince of Wales's Stakes hero Ombudsman and French raider Sosie.

Speaking on the Racing Post's In The Know YouTube show on Friday night, Segal said: "I'd be surprised if Ruling Court, Camille Pissarro, Hotazhell or Delacroix won. I don't think the three-year-olds are very good at all.
"It's a shootout between the top two and I'm quite surprised at the price of Sosie. It's the perception, which might be right, that he won't like it, but if ever there was a fast ground pedigree, he's got it. Every time he's run with good in the going description he's won.

"I actively think he wants fast ground. I think it will come down to tactics and if he's behind Ombudsman turning in, he's got no chance. If he's in front, it'll be hard to pick him up, because Sandown will suit him perfectly. I hope Maxime's [Guyon, rider of Sosie] watching this thinking he'll take the bull by the horns!"


Can see where the talk of the 3yr olds being poor is from now.

It makes me laugh a little here is a French horse who’s Fav for the Arc but isn’t taking the usual French path towards the race! (Having a midsummer break)

His initial target was the King George but in winning the D’Isphan he showed that he has enough pace for this so change of plan.

They are seeking good ground for the colt and making hay.

No need to over complicate thinking when the reality is there to see.

Whether he’s good enough is another thing, but they’re running to find out.

ratings men hiding under the bed with everything crossed,with the rating theyve given the fav basically on one run when AOB,s pair went mad up front ,any horse beating him today is the  BEST HORSE IN THE WORLD,if its one of AOB,s 2 probably not in top 3 in AOB,s yard

11,12,s any price you want camillie,was shorter thasn delacoix on tues in betting, ruling court 16,s on mon ,now its only 2 places ,10 pts shorter,seems no one no,s

Yeah 1TP, re thé ascot race, as previously posted, it’s a race to watch today, no bet race
For Me, if the French horse wins, gl to it, dont know enough about it to back It, but if Fabre
Is sending it over, mus’nt be worried about the ground?
I’m think Delacroix will lead

for 10/20 punters with an IQ of above 150 to navigate the skybet new site,ombudsmen is 2 ,s

365 9/4 the fav

Ruling Court was 20s on Wednesday, with aqlaam and
Ammaat in, 13/2 now, miss wedding, go to funeral. 5/4 omsbudmsn
Generally. Interesting race

Gosdon was not in the best of form but winner and 2 nd yesterday, always looked like a odds on chance but that losing run of gosden maybe why the drift, obrien won this  last 3 out of 4 and ryan moores derby flop is 6.0 on here, that was to bad to be true, so the 2 above for me,

The drift is highly likely to be that the fav is very unlikely to get the suicidal pace at Ascot here

Thanks for your judgement.

It is a forum you obnoxious whippet botherer not a Honcho forum

lol.  Listen to this duck who thinks it belongs to him and bully boy pals. 

BTW,it wasn't my judgement,merely an opinion which is what the forum is for without the need of your judgment

Exactly.  Opinion based on judgement - you abusive prick.

I'd have to be with Delacroix at the price, Moore will try and wait in front and fend them off late, his two wins this term were both impressive and there is no doubting that the POW suiffered a massive pace collapse that accentuated Ombudsman's superiority, looking at Delacroix's two wins this year he looks like a right basttler/terrier type and just when Ombudsman ranged up in the Brigadier Gerard I just thought he wandered aboutd a bit when under pressure.

fav could be good enough but only a 17 days break and short enough ,I like a couple here at the prices and hotazhell has gr1 winning form should come on for her debut when btn by field of gold apart from the fabv not a lot to find on ratings ,mixed messages about trip but won the futurity on heavy and wernt stopping imo this should be tactical and around 25s  bigger on here will do .also Camile pissario has won 2 group 1s has plenty of exp and not much to find on ratings and a double figga price I have played win bets and 3 places on here .good luck all  selections hotazhell 25/1 firms win bet and camille pissario 12/1 bog win bet and 3 places both on here .

Plenty of support for Ruling Court think Sandown will suit his running style
was put in his place at RA but if he get the trip ok - he's the one to beat imo

fav has measure of Sosie on form lines with Map of Stars but wary of these price boosts
especially Skybet who dont usually go so overboard with their pushes

370 Dela !

think Hoiles called  it a tad early

did he stumble as well ?

well done winners

need to watch that back i thought moore had no chance

Utterly astonishing!  Moore the magnificent, and the horse did alright too.

great ride, earned his fee there

Soumillion obviously not a team player, keeping Ryan in

well done Delacroix backers

the pushes nearly came good but trading opps all the same for those that way inclined

WD OP

Now we know why he rode this and not Lambourn in the Derby.

could be a good international at York     this one Fields of Gold  Calandagan  what else ?

Anyone else like me decided to wait until the race started to see him get the lead before backing him....I feel I need go no further

.    U/L Duffy, and commiserations.

I was having kittens what the fk he doing last, had no chance then there was hope still shouting you fk idiot what you doing and then he got there, lovely ride lol, how did he get that up a serious horse, Aiden was even walking with it on the walk around on the course, that told me he was serious about the winner, he is the master him and jockey

W/d know all.  We’ve all shouted that at the screen sometimes.

Chappers missed a golden opportunity to ask AOB the relevant question there.
Namely.
“What does it feel like Aidan to win two Derbys with your second string”?

“Aiden was even walking with it on the walk around on the course”

He led Lambourn too. Never seen that before in the Derby then didn’t see due to the coverage today.

visa vi POW ,buicks rode a shocker on the fav hasnt he ?
outside to no one 3,4 wide rou d the bend,went to early,other than getting him in stalls couldnt have gone much worse,if he trusted to luck wrote the same race as in POW,he wins doesnt he

He’s talking about the horse having speed for a mile and Moore has Sid that same!

Wasn’t Lambourn the supposed third string?

Media fodder to be used when speculating on their next possible meeting.

Jul 4, 2025 -- 5:17PM, Delashay wrote:

Just to throw it out there and ask, where does this notion that the 3year olds are duff come from?

That’s been blown apart a bit and we had a clue yesterday with Windlord winning.

Seagul got it well wrong, at least I was open minded to see!

Sry dela - no good at splitting hairs.

Jul 4, 2025 -- 5:23PM, Delashay wrote:

Caviar Heights Was just beaten by a real spam fritter of a 3 year old in Windlord. Further back was Check n Challenge Who’d been beaten this season:4 1/2L by Haatem 1m 2F 4 1/4 Lead Artist 1m g1 4 3/4 Sardinian Warrior 1m 3 3/4 Dancing Gemini 1m Just wanted to throw it out there …. Opinions welcome

It’s ok but to see the horse win who was never put in the Derby is a joke.

Delashay • July 4, 2025 6:09 PM BST
Normally I’m in the New Forrest watching and to who anyone who believes in AOB and Lazarus you might not do too bad in doing the resurrection double this weekend!

Delacroix
Lion in Winter

Anyone chance their arm at it?!

Jul 4, 2025 -- 6:06PM, LoyalHoncho wrote:

No, not my fancy.

pacemaker at york for OMBUN according to johnny g so if AOB runs a few rags.more carnage awaits

It didn’t post my message Loyal with the quote

I asked why the change of mind today if you did back it having not fancied yesterday?

Thanks 1TP for the heads up.

ombudsmen paid £2.65 for a place

I didn’t have a bet in the race.  Nothing could have had me backing Delacroix however good AOB’s record is in bringing back previous duffers to do the business, eg City Of Troy, Augusta Rodin, etc.  and nothing got me interested in OMB either.
Like another who posted it was a watch for me and,……..what a watch.
Nice odds against match bet up at Carlisle there and a slight odds on one at Naas.
That’s my kind of material.
Three win and 4th places placed, two beaten in foties, that’s “scotch” for photos. 
Them’s the breaks.
Be lucky.

Howard posted WD Op hé picked 3 from 6
And predicted thé fav would drift to 2s ???

Cheers man, shame you did t follow your, “Not yet…” instinct.

I did not have a bet either; the fav was too short. I'd not have Delacroix as he was not my fancy at Epsom; Ruling Court was put in his place in the SJP. The rest I knew very little. Let's hope the same horses re-engage at York against FoG. Until then the jury is out (for me) who's the best 10f horse at present.

I hate insolence anywhere esp here with one poster to another. Horseracing is a game/sport of differing opinions, some more valid and intelligence nevertheless, the horses usually have the final laugh...on the poster/punter.

They say that horses make fools of us all which isn’t far wrong. You take more stick than anyone Impossible so I’m surprised that you notice such things happening! Water off a ducks back etc…

Are you thinking that Field of Gold will go unbeaten for the rest of the season?

Is that the general consensus?

Dela hey posted.  Cheers man, shame you did t follow your, “Not yet…” instinct

Before decs, with anmaat and aqlaam in, and ombudsmen and sousie  also. .I posted I
Couldn’t have the 3yo’s, the race cut, no anmatt or aqlaam  and with no obvious pace, I came down
On ombudsman and Delacroix, couldn’t back the French horse or the other 3yos
it was a no bet race for me, certainly not 5/4 oms And 3 Delacroix

Also suggested Moore would ride Delacroix, and fav wouldn’t drift to 2

I hope this clears things up for you regarding the race. Now I’m done replying to
You, so can you kindly stop directing posts to me. Tar

ponchoslament • July 6, 2025 3:14 PM BST
Dela hey posted.  Cheers man, shame you did t follow your, “Not yet…” instinct

That line was for LoyalHoncho who had said that Delacroix was the only horse in the field not to have won an G1 and I’ve only had the misfortune of reading you again as you didn’t get blocked!

So apologies for being mistaken yet again!

As Luca Cumani had pointed out in the post he was waiting for evidence that the classic generation were below standard.
Maybe some should take a leaf and hold back before being so quick to critique and make fun of people who are giving and sharing their thoughts.

Social Media of which I consider this to be a form is made up of people who either engage, take an active part, or by those who just lurk and look.

I couldn’t knock anyone for actively having a go.

*form of

Jul 5, 2025 -- 3:45PM, howard wrote:

WD OP

Thank you howard.

Unless you thought when Ombudsman was 2.1 "the market looks right," it was pretty easy to trade across all runners.
Trust you did ok.