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Here we go again,Launceston last three runs 250/1 ,200/1 and 125/1 today evens 
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A lay all day for me.
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Is it a cert
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Owned by the Ne'er Do Wells VI
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Russian Roulette springs to mind
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Where does the rating come from ?
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Can't see it tbh. Ok dropped to C6 but his form is awful. I might be wrong but Sir Mark doesn't normally campaign them like this does he?
Anyways layed it and backed Galactic Glow. |
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Why it not running over 2 mile
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7 furlong. Last now 1 m 2.....
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3 to evens.....now 3 again
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I might just green up if it gets to 5/2 and leave the 9/4 Galactic Glow in play. Its not exactly an enthralling race to get involved in.
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Half brother was very smart. Reached a rating of 109, won 6 races including a listed and won over 150k in prize money. Off 52 it could be absolutely thrown in.
Can you not just campaign an animal on its merit Prescott. Pathetic really. |
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Not even fav new
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Held up, bumped along 3f out, stayed on, hard held
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Won 1 and a half lengths.
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Class drop; stepping up three furlongs to the right trip; well-bred. Classic Sir MP Bt.
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exactly.
it's by a derby/irish derby winner. more about the dire opposition than where the celing of this one is at runs it 5 times over 6/7 furlongs, at least 3 more times than is necessary to get a h'cap mark. entered up twice next monday -10 and 12 f. One of a hatful of Ebor darts hat will have this comment added to its race call. (trainer said, regarding the apparent improvement in form, that gelding appreciated the step up in trip from 7f to 1m4f, which was noted)  |
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*2 times even
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the one caveat is that even after he didn't qualify, it still ran like a drain. It still shouldn't have been allocated a mark in my opinion. But it was kept to 7f.
If you're not on the inside it's just guessing either way. Everyone knows the MO and it will likely win races over longer trips, but not necessarily today. |
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3 yr olds over distance usually come into their own from now to mid July,Sir Mark usually steps them out over 12 f,so will we have to see if this ones OR is correct.
Villalobos at 16/1 I would rate as the danger |
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When asked by the stewards for an explanation of the 'apparent' improvement in form, the trainer
replied he he has no explanation. His explanation was noted. Nudge nudge wink wink! |
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Result
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Even Morris in full butcher mode couldn't get him up.
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Wossisname commentator calling the hoss Laun sis ton all the way round the track.
'Lawnston' old boy |
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Cider is right it should not have been given a mark.
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I think you will find 3 runs qualify for h/cap mark, h/capper can ask to
See it run one more time, you say it shouldn’t be given a mark?? When would You have it qualified for h/caps?? He’s been campaigning horses like this for over 30 Years, gets them half ready to run, over trips they cant win, in maidens against quicker Better horses they can’t beat. Move along now, nothing to see here |
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If you have a backward 2 year old you would be mad not to run it at 2. Apart from getting the runs for a mark, you get them invaluable experience of going to the races with everything involved.
If you don't and start off in 3 year old maidens, you waste a part of the season running in races you have no chance of winning. There is hardly a maiden without a runner from the bigger stables, finish too close to them and your mark might suffer. It's a no brainer under today's rules. |
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There's no right to a handicap mark.
Are you trying to claim that it couldn't enter in races that are further than 7f, without a mark ? In any case, nothing it had done suggested it should be allocated 52. The winner of the race was 47, and had finished in the frame in its last four races. The mark allotted to Launceston was a wet finger in the air. |
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I wonder what would have become of Sea The Stars, if he'd been sent to SMP?
Would he have turned up in three backend AW maidens over 7f, looking big and backward and absolutely clueless? Then would he have reappeared in a 0-55 over 10f at Bath towards the end of June, having already been gelded, where he would scramble home by a nose having been heavily backed into 4-9? Then would he have won his next 6, rising 2 stone in the handicap, before being sold to Graham Wylie for £200K? But not before the late Alistair Down had told us what a genius and brilliant placer of horses SMP is, who always gets the best out of his horses? |
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If he gets a really good one he campaigns them along normal lines as Alpinista showed
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And he won a French Classic with Confidential Lady.
However, my memory fails me regarding his best 3YO middle distance colts, uptheirons. |
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Viva Pataca & Time Warp
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Cider makes a fair point about not getting a mark and where did 52 come from? On form should've been 46 or whatever the minimum is.
No horse rated that low should be winning a race in the current system with no banded racing (OK, 0-50 classifieds) but I would suggest until a horse shows a semblance of form, the introductory handicap mark should be 70 and then you have a choice to then run it to it's ability to get it down (if it's not a 70 horse already, yes Sir!) or make more effort in its qualifying runs. |
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A mark of 70
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A mark of 70
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Apologies, I did post a detailed reply, but
It’s only posting a mark of 70. |
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Do elaborate! I was suggesting 'if' they wanted to deter 'cheating' they have the means.
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to be fair to sir mark it must be an art not only to have slow horses but to get them to look like slow horses,run like slow horses,not as if he has to gun them out front and collapse or hold,m up out the back making ground to late etc, they just look/run slow,slow,slow, even compared to last nights low rated winner who went on the snaff for 9 F before sprinting clear in the grade
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That's right, the handicapper is essentially acknowledging that the connections are playing the game, but they are playing along with it, guessing a starting point. It's a game of chicken with connections persisting over a trip too short. The handicapper should wait until there is some discernible form to rate, in my opinion.
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