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Certainly shouldn't allow the horse to be handicapped when the jockey gives the horse a blatant air shot at the furlong pole in its final qualifying run, as Luke Morris did with this horse at Redcar last November.
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Would of it improved its position if he sticked it.
It was going backwards at the time, looked like he was Just pulling his stick through to me |
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Thrasher had probably already given it 6 whacks with the shelailigh.
His action is ugly pn the eye but he is able to count to 6, to be fair to him. |
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Strangely enough he never actually touched the horse
In the race, it was 8th at time, and dropping out, no point In sticking it |
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Watch the Redcar race, leif. Don't just guess.
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Poncho, Morris wasn't pulling the stick through at the furlong pole. He pretended to use it in the normal manner, but missed by two feet. That was the only attempt he made to use the stick in the race.
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Hmmmm screaming
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Not sure I get you
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I give up
It’s only Posting 15 letter With the gaps |
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GEORGE.B -- "I wonder what would have become of Sea The Stars, if he'd been sent to SMP?"
Sir Mark himself said that if you've got an exceptional horse, it will do better with Henry Cecil, but if you have an ordinary horse, it is probably best with Sir Mark Prescott. |
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Complaints about running over the wrong trip miss the point that for young, slow-maturing, staying horses, the right trip is too far until they are older. It is like expecting a schoolchild to win a marathon.
So either you don't run them at all, or you run them at too short a distance. |
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Which is why it astonished me so much that he managed to win an Arc.
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The horse won the Arc, hé trained it to win the Arc
If the horse has ability, at top end or bottom, hé will Get the best out of it? Brilliant trainer |
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Not in my view. Very, very experienced and successful in his own way, without question, but brilliant?
Henry Cecil. Vincent O’Brien. They were brilliant. |
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Running stayers over an inadequate trip as 2yos isn't the problem, Ramruma. It's stopping the horse over those inadequate trips which causes resentment.
I had a filly who as a 2yo was second in a 6f seller then won one over a mile. She got a mark of 55, and won a Bath handicap off 60 over 2m 1f as a 3yo in August. I remarked to the trainer that he'd done a Mark Prescott with the horse. "But I try with mine" was his reply. |
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He doesn’t stop a single horse screaming, they are are
Ready to run, they simply don’t have the ability to Compete over thé trips hé runs them, against the grade Of horse they run against, usually over those type of Horses optimum trips, hence that’s how they get their Ratings? That’s the system, he’s the best at it? |
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Exactly! Prescott was known for it for years.
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Hé has 80 box’s, he’s full every year, there’s a que, hé
Decides/chooses thé owners, most of his horses are home bred Staying types, he doesn’t get memass’s, dark angels, star man’s etc The ones from thé sales are usually staying types too? What do you Want him to do, run them in back end staying maidens in soft ground Bump in other sea horses, finish upsides something rated 80, thé horse Then cant win a h/cap. It then sells to the jumps boys for a fraction of What he gets, when they have gone from 50 to 90, having run up a Sequence. That’s one reason he’s full every year?? |
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It's not about the trip. My argument anyway. It's that he hadn't ran well enough in any of the qualifying races to be confident enough to give it a demonstrable mark. So if it's actually that slow, yes it needs to step up so that it can be involved in a race at the business end, and get an evidenced mark. They've probably negotiated the mark but it's wrong. Judged on the little he had achieved before this week, it's way too high.
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poncho.. I think any criticism on here is mostly directed at the system not the trainer.
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It doesn’t have to run well, it just has to run 3 times, or 4, that’s the
System, thé h/capper is then tasked/obligated to give it a mark Some of them go on and win over their trip/ground/ability, others don’t That’s the rules, and hé has to use his experience to h/cap them. Of course Mr.Prescott, knows more than thé h/capper. They are the rules, and he’s the Best at exploiting them. What else is hé to do ?? What would you do ?? |
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Roger, I agree, that’s the system, until they change It, hé will
Use the system to the best advantage of horse and owner. |
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which race did it run to 52 ?
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It doesn’t have to run well, it just has to run 3 times, or 4, that’s the
System, thé h/capper is then tasked/obligated to give it a mark Nimbus Boy has run five times in Ireland for Paul Nolan. In four runs in maiden hurdles between March 2022 and December 2022, Nimbus Boy was beaten a minimum of 50 lengths, starting at 14/1 on debut and then at odds of 150/1, 200/1 and 250/1 on his three subsequent starts. He ran over trips between two miles and two miles four furlongs on ground yielding to soft or softer and he wore blinkers on his fourth start. After his fourth start, Nimbus Boy was allotted an Irish mark of 85, off which he ran in a handicap at Punchestown in January over three miles on soft ground, fitted with cheekpieces, starting at 33/1. Having mainly been patiently ridden previously, Nimbus Boy made the running until the third-last before dropping away and being beaten 105 lengths. His Irish mark was dropped 3 lb, to 82. Nimbus Boy subsequently joined Samuel Drinkwater and was entered in a handicap hurdle in Britain. The handicappers concerned considered Nimbus Boy's runs and declined to give him a BHA handicap mark, therefore requiring a sixth run back in novice/maiden or other non-handicap company. Following that decision, and after following steps 1 and 2 in the handicapping appeals process, Nimbus Boy's trainer Samuel Drinkwater submitted an appeal to the Handicapping Ombudsman, on the grounds that a handicap mark should have been given. |
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afaik there is no right to a mark. if the bha think that they have not seen enough evidence, they don't have to give one. However, I do not know the rules inside out.
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So he’s brilliant at “filling his boxes”. I’ll give him that one.
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Declining to allot a handicap mark (or refusals)
Our aim is to provide an initial handicap rating that enables each horse to race competitively in handicaps but without disadvantaging any of its opponents. Wherever possible, we always try to allot a handicap mark but there are occasions when we have to defer providing a rating. This is usually because we cannot with any satisfactory degree of confidence assess the worth of that horse’s form. On some occasions when a horse has been declined a handicap mark that horse will be required to run again. In other instances, it may be that we need more certainty over the level of form in a particular race and that subsequent runs of others from that race will provide enough evidence on which to allot a mark. In conjunction with the National Trainers’ Federation, the BHA has produced the following guide to issues that may prevent a handicap mark being allotted. |
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This is usually because we cannot with any satisfactory degree of confidence assess the worth of that horse’s form.
Exactly, It's written in their own guidance. |
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Thanks Cider. Good info.
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Cidre, I think you’ll that’s the exception rather than the rule?
Honch, there’s a reason thé box’s are ful, he’s very good at his job |
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It's not an exception, the rule applies after the minimum number of qualifying runs for every horse. It will be an exception that a mark is refused. I'm arguing that you could not confidently allot a mark to that horse, and be confidently satisfied you're not 'disadvantaging any of its opponents'.
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Well it got 52 and got beat 2 1/2 lengths by an 8 yo
So he probably got that right?didn’t disadvantage anyone?? Vast majority of horses get a mark after 3 run, unless he asks To see it again? |
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There goes the nursery https://www.racingpost.com/results/1079/kempton-aw/2025-08-06/899250
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