rancid obrien again

I never get these threads. If you're so certain then lay them. This was probably put in too short due to its price tag etc. The models see through that and correct it late. Do you honestly think Magnier and the lads are bothered messing around like that in a 2 Yr old maiden

Good sensible post Bassett

Brilliant.

Bassett.
1.coolmore lads I presume don’t lay their horses,given they re millionaires,billionaires,I don’t think they need the few hundred quid.
My mates say that,I bet jp s laid it.no he hasn’t.
Bassett
I never get these threads.

Mate you’ve only joined 2 weeks ago,you’re already worn down by it.pmsl.

Jun 5, 2025 -- 5:40PM, comingupthehill wrote:

Brilliant.Bassett.1.coolmore lads I presume don’t lay their horses,given they re millionaires,billionaires,I don’t think they need the few hundred quid.My mates say that,I bet jp s laid it.no he hasn’t. BassettI never get these threads.Mate you’ve only joined 2 weeks ago,you’re already worn down by it.pmsl.

Haha. Long time lurker

Back a Coolmore newcomer at your peril.

That was a fixed race , watch how lordan rode for his life and it new comer he didn't spare whip and moores out for day out , no matter how much o brien tries to make himself look like a saint with his pioneer pin , he has no qualms bout fuking up the layman , I had no bet on race but I feel for amateur punters that got codded, a couple of yrs ago I remember aidan had a maiden second first time out and it was a hot pot at gowran , 10 min before off, the son Joseph at newcomer backed from 14 into 7/2 and aidan even money poke beat by 8 l, the **** are a mafia ,it mite as well be same stable as they are all in co .as regards aidan puling stunts like today tarnish his integrity and honesty and in my opinion he is a con man in tye mafia group

It just shows too these millionaires in this cool more operation have no qualms bout codding the average joe , the  more they get they more they want pure greed, an eg magnier buying up half tipperary land and bull dozing thru people that get in his way, don't be fooled by aidan demeanour on tv  , he will be ruthless to meet his ends and look at greed within family , off shore accounts illegally in caymans in tax havens ,greed has no boundaries for these people,  the ordinary lay man gets fooled listening to what media say bout o brien but those in know , know better

Nice to have a balanced view from Mics

Dreadful outfit imo…

Coolmore just run their horses to get the best out of that horse over their careers,
Sometimes that means letting the horse mature and developed.the bookies,punters might make them favs,but it doesn’t mean they ll win.

Good lord. Eyes painted on. Don't know what you were watching Mics

Two of them won yesterday anyway uptheirons and at backable prices.  One might prove to be quite good too - Flushing Meadows.

In summary.

Magnier buys a field in Ireland.
Aidan goes on tv pretending to be really nice
Jp, wins 100 quid laying horses
They all live in the Cayman Islands avoiding tax.

Summary of the thread.

Jun 5, 2025 -- 6:27PM, comingupthehill wrote:

Coolmore just run their horses to get the best out of that horse over their careers,Sometimes that means letting the horse mature and developed.the bookies,punters might make them favs,but it doesn’t mean they ll win.

Correct. Aidan openly admits that often it's no bad thing if they get beat on debut, especially if they're green as you get another race in calmer waters as opposed to straight into a stakes race or something. Should be more winners of 1 races or novices in Ireland would see a lot less non triers imo

Not sporting people…..

I have no dislike of the Coolmore operation at all.  Their breeding programme is quite fascinating.  I agree they have no regard for the punters but so what.
None of us has to have a bet on anything.  Do we?!

Sir mark Prescott.

I think it’s a joke that coolmore bring their horses on slowly.i m firing mine from day 1 ,letting horses develope is wrong to punters,we must tell them that they are winning.

I've said it plenty of times over the last couple of seasons when you don't see Moore in a hurry to have a first timer up with the pace these days it's usually a case of not today. That's been the way since the change if riding tactics on O'Briens in general by Moore.

Jun 5, 2025 -- 6:36PM, formoftheace wrote:

Not sporting people…..

Rubbish. How many people do you employ?

Hope you have multiple accounts mics, I suspect you might need them.

Mics joined betfair in April.

Their new account marketing looks like they re doing a good job,loads of newbies,and clued up,as they can find the forum.

Mics,they sometimes don’t whip horses when they are 2 year olds,hope this helps.

loyal honcho, if no one would bet, what would be the point of breeding empire , without us there would be no horse racing

Elsie,I agree ,but trust me,rich guys with horses would challenge each other to races to show off,then other people would want to watch it and form an opinion,then someone would say,I ll give you 20 quid to 10 quid,the Irish one doesn’t beat the English one.

Hence we end up here

ASonOfWottonBassett 05 Jun 25 18:41 
Jun 5, 2025 -- 6:36PM, formoftheace wrote:

Not sporting people…..

Rubbish. How many people do you employ?

Nothing to do with how many i employ…..

Can’t remember the last time i backed one of there’s tbh…..

Godolphin much the same…

Juddmonte has always been the favourite to follow tbh…..

Proper sportspeople imv….and they must employ hundreds…

Their runners

Do punters need Coolmore? Absolutely not!
Does Coolmore need punters? Absolutely yes!

Punters can do without Coolmore, but Coolmore cannot do without punters, why? Punters encourage supremacy/excellence, and stallion value.

No punting -> Much reduced stallion fee -> Cheaper yearlings -> Encourages new entrants/owners -> Competitive racing -> Lesser manipulation/influence. All these can only be good for racegoers and punters.

Horse racing needs punters, but punters do not need horse racing as there are so many recreational alternatives around.

Reckon this thread and many others confirm what the majority of us know only too well , forums like this are simply online betting shops   

Jun 5, 2025 -- 6:57PM, formoftheace wrote:

ASonOfWottonBassett 05 Jun 25 18:41

Coolmore wouldn’t be interested in doing a Meydan tho…..applauding and clapping at the winning line…

Massive spectacular expensive stand with more at the taxi rank….

Impossible.

You pose an impossible question.

Do people like to go out for a day on a Saturday,get dressed up,meet friends,have a drink,watch some sport.

Given the rich elites would still want to have the best horse,

They may as well combine the 2.

Yeah,it’s a product.but if no one wanted to watch the product,
People would still want to find out,who has the fastest horse.
So the elites would race their horses in a private field,but someone would watch from afar and relay which horse won..

This would then evolve to what we have today.

The horse was more important 100 years ago,has it effectively was the main source of power,to build things,transport goods etc.

It’s like everything,we want to know,who’s the best,fastest,strongest.

What was the public spat between Sir Alex Ferguson and Coolmore all about? I thought they were good "mates" when the former was manager at Man Utd. I think the spat ended in court, did it not?

Breeding rights to Rock Of Gibraltar. Sir Alex though he was due to his 1/2 share of stud fees.

summary.

Magnier buys a field in Ireland.
Aidan goes on tv pretending to be really nice
Jp, wins 100 quid laying horses
They all live in the Cayman Islands avoiding tax.

Like a paragraph from a John Grisham novel.

They basically give him rock of Gibraltar,it then won 8 races,
So when fergie wanted the stallion fees,they said,hang mate,that’s millions,
You ve done alright out of it,

Can see both sides,

Think coolmore were right,giving a horse,fine,it turns out to be worth 200 million,can’t blame them.for not wanting to give him that.

If only rock of Gibraltar had been crap,

They’d still own united.

Then mics could start threads,saying.coolmore telling players to lose,has jp sits in the Cayman Islands laying them.

Racing winnings were fine but it was written  into the contract that there was no breeding rights which is why Coolmore won

'coming...thehill', no, not for me. I can find more interesting and rewarding activities to do or attend eg ptp than some rich barstewards messaging their egos. They are already doing that by buying up expensive mansions and country homes they do not even live in; expensive gadgets; etc. These ego messaging behaviours are clear indications of insecurities and personal inadequacies of the highest degree. I like it when the Coolmore lads squirm after the hotpot they've come to see imploded on the track.

Do the likes of Bill Gates and Warren Buffet do that???

I don’t think there was a contract,that was the point.

It was word of mouth,etc.

Fergie believed it was his horse.

They won because ,they fought back,

Remember the 100 questions,or 20.

Why is your son an agent to players.
Why did you pay 50 million for Ralph Milne

Etc etc.they basically ripped fergie to bits,he caved in,

MJK 1839. Spot on. It is not usual for him to have the good one's anchored at the back in any race these days but especially the G1's. This is in contrast to the way they used to be ridden a good few years ago. Julian Muscat wrote a great article  some time ago after some pretty grim ride on Leopardstown Champion Stakes day. I think the headline was something like "Moore rides for luck...that is the plan". Less of this now. For the better in my view.

If Fergie had signed a contract about breeding rights,ownership etc,then why would he of believed he had a right to money.

If you shake hands with them remember to count your fingers afterwards

I'm no fan boy of APOB as I think he talks everything up too much but the opener today the fav completely missed the break and Moore made up the ground slowly and was literally right behind his stablemate winner (nose to tail) just before the 3F pole.

Moore asked it to quicken and it didn't find much and ended up beaten about 4.5 lengths.

Don't think it was rancid just not as good as thought FTO.

O’Brien obviously has to talk his horses up.thats his job.everyone trainer,manager etc etc does.

Although,its the best I’ve every trained line,has worn a bit thin.

Thanks for the info.

So, at the end of the day the public spat was all about money after all; friendship comes 2nd.

Maybe if the ownership had not been transferred to Sir Alex Ferguson or verbally agreed Rock Of Gibraltar would still have been a dog; Sir Alex Ferguson is a lucky so-and-so.

And, Coolmore not owning Man Utd is only slightly better than the present American majority owner. I do not think Coolmore would have sanctioned the purchase of Ronaldo then.

Their ownership cost united the bever lekuson semi final final debacle. final in Glasgow

Roy Keane famously wouldn’t shake their hands,saying I don’t trust them.united knocked out on away goals.

But they were right,Fergie did pressure young players to sign contracts with his son Darren as an agent.

Tit for tat.

It has.  But I still can’t wait to see how good their next debuting 2yo might be/become. 
As for the assertion that there would be no horse racing without the punters does the author of that one believe that punters are thus subsidising the aspirations of the Coolmores etc; by virtue of their daily lucky fifteens?!

That argument is utterly ridiculous Honcho.
Without betting there would be no horse racing

There would but it wouldn’t be has organised. People would still want to say,they had the fastest horse.

Jun 5, 2025 -- 7:26PM, punchestown wrote:

I'm no fan boy of APOB as I think he talks everything up too much but the opener today the fav completely missed the break and Moore made up the ground slowly and was literally right behind his stablemate winner (nose to tail) just before the 3F pole.Moore asked it to quicken and it didn't find much and ended up beaten about 4.5 lengths.Don't think it was rancid just not as good as thought FTO.

Exactly. Hard to understand what the other "race readers" were seeing

Of course there would.  On a smaller scale but there will always be racing in one shape or form.
The preposterous thing is suggesting that every unraced/debuting 2yo should be supremely fit and ridden out of its skin to win, by any trainer, high and low, with no thought whatsoever for its future wellbeing.
Ludicrous statement, ludicrous stance.

ASonOfWottonBassett - it is not a matter of playing or not playing, it is about the dishonesty of the antics of some stables.

Just exercise prudence when betting in Ireland. Some of the shenanigans on the track are never punished by IHRB. If you can or will accept then fine, and continue. Otherwise, it's prudent to abstain altogether.

So. to get the last word you change the theme of the debate.

If you want to see something “rancid” check out the 9.16 dog race. lolololol.

Jun 5, 2025 -- 7:25PM, DonegalPrince wrote:

MJK 1839. Spot on. It is not usual for him to have the good one's anchored at the back in any race these days but especially the G1's. This is in contrast to the way they used to be ridden a good few years ago. Julian Muscat wrote a great article

Moore is all the better for it. The getting boxed in rides  particularly at RA, are a distant memory.

What a great trainer this fine man is. Outthought everyone, outfoxed everyone and then the man on top best since Lester, outrode everyone.

Yawn !

"What a great trainer this man is......."

I'd like to see AOB train horses of ordinary pedigree and of average cost. I'd like to see AOB run his horses in handicap races too.

AOB has won plenty of h'caps over the years

aye, only had about 2500 runners in a h'cap

This thread has aged well today

Never fails

im sure if his horses were athletes running so bad and then winning better races, questions would be asked

Would be good to see him take over the Linda Perratt yard with horses already in the yard tbh…..

Equivalent of Pep at port vale …..no change tbh….

aidan always the company man. they win the oaks with a frankel but the only sire who gets a mention is wooton basset

A mean spirited comment Aceform.
Not even you can deny he is a great Trainer

Even if you’ve got the best horses,it still takes some doing to make it all work.

Many great football players ,teams haven’t won cos the manager didn’t get them organised.

How can he go wrong tbh…..

He can’t go wrong,as long as he doesn’t go wrong,but many would go wrong.

Next year there will be another batch to try out….

Probably in the hundreds tbh…..

Jun 6, 2025 -- 4:23PM, comingupthehill wrote:

Even if you’ve got the best horses,it still takes some doing to make it all work.Many great football players ,teams haven’t won cos the manager didn’t get them organised.

The other jockeys aren’t even showing up to compete, giving away ground to Moore all the time. Jockeys not jockeys! [

The man’s a genius with the best man up top since Lester Piggott, maybe Kinane.
All this sour grapes is laughable. The history this guy continues to make in full view of us all should not at all be undervalued/underestimated.
And well done baldy Fred.  A magnificent gift to racing in sponsoring all five of this year’s classics.  You can see how much it means to him too.

Bet Baldy would take coins off dead peoples eyes

Godolphin billionaires
Coolmore billionaires

Fred. Millionaire. Come on Fred. Give us some of your money,your loaded.

Aiden is the best on the flat that was pure class today forecast as well, how they could make a miler favourite in a 1 m 4 f race and trainers never won it, this racing still surprises and your getting good prices on some of the stuff, bit like the French odds on shot been beaten in second last 3 times, it’s a plodder, Aiden works the magic, and he will win the derby tomorrow forecast as well I’m hoping

Listen lads, when AP had a horse ready to run in the Premier Handicap in the World guess what happened? Yes! The tracks vets withdrew him. So why would this gifted trainer bother with low graders for handicaps when he can win all these big 'Classics' with regally bred thoroughbreds. Aidan First, no second.

Not got a clue?  But you sound like “you know” so please enlighten the rest of us.
As for the Baldy Fred comment,……………

For You Loyal (what a greyhound LH) I will enlighten. Melbourne Cup todays Group1 winner JB. Had upwards of 2 stone in hand

Thank you.

Bet Baldy is exactly the same as all the big Firms here.
None will lay a decent horse racing bet despite the total bullshat by their mouth pieces on a daily basis and are never called out on RTV.
However,the good news is you will be able to slaughter untold on the Slots

Star will lay a decent bets until they realise they are unlikely to beat you over time

Hopefully he wins the Derby tomorrow for a 3/3 big race weekend   

how many posts on here if tliw wins?

Only one word required elise , genius would suffice.

Rossa will silence them for a wee while….imv….

Hayden 06 Jun 25 18:31 
Only one word required elise , genius would suffice.

That word can be used for a few types Hayden….but not for an animal trainer tbh….imv…

I don't think that anybody would have minded if AOB had stated before the Dante what he is saying now,"just about ready for a race course gallop",elise

sure, maybe they just didn't know, but it doesn't take much for the average punter to feel short changed, i'm hoping it wins just to see what happens

They have done it for the last two years

“Done”it.  Done what?  Left improvement in a horse so as to give it the best chance of winning the most important race of the season so far.
And then found that improvement.
Is that the complaint.

It's not a complaint but,it is a statement of fact Honcho

Two bell ends fighting each other lol…..ffs

Yawn !

There is no bigger bell end on here than you Aceform.
You don't bet but have an opinion on everything

Listen !

Uptheirons, if you had little or no liking for someone in a pub, club or social setting would you bother even talking to them?  None of us would.
Block him, like I did years ago.  That way you deprive him of the oxygen he craves and you get on with your interest without the noise.

You are correct Honcho but he infests most threads

threads
LoyalHoncho 06 Jun 25 20:35 
Uptheirons, if you had little or no liking for someone in a pub, club or social setting would you bother even talking to them?  None of us would.
Block him, like I did years ago.  That way you deprive him of the oxygen he craves and you get on with your interest without the noise.

Craves ….ffs

This idiot has been on every thread there is blabbering p….

Outsider of 3 wins at Navan. The tinfoil brigade will be out in force

Aiden will win the derby prediction the only thing I got wrong is he didn’t get the forecast up like yesterday, it’s like printing it