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19 May 25
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have I missed some news LOW fav in most lists 5 to 2 and DELACOIX 6,s +,suggests its a done deal he,s on LOW and its running
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liw^
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yes LIW, sorweee
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The Dante was four days ago, it’s a bit soon to have made that decision isn’t it?
 There’s 23 days between the two races and the last piece of work wouldn’t have been done. |
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Immediately after the Dante Aiden said, “it’ll be next week ten days, there could be an awful lot of improvement”
Also said , “He feels very classy he’d have no problem going back to a mile and a quarter…” How far is the Dante? - He’s talking like it was a mile and a half!!!  |
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I think connection will want TLIW to run at Epsom to enhance his stud valuation/breeding fee. At the moment without a prestigious Gp1 8f triumph eg 2000G Epsom is the most suitable option available for this; the French Derby does not either. Also, Epsom and French Derby are only separated by a day thus no advantage for TLIW timewise; SJP does not appeal either being 8f. The Eclipse is in July.
If sound TLIW will most likely end up here with Moore riding, I'd think. |
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Be careful you’re not hoping for the best because of bets already placed I understand all f the above re: breading just seems off to me.
They NEVER decide before.the last piece of work. Three days have hardly passed to say he’s bang there for that, it wasn’t a race, he’d of had more at home. |
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I’ve not had a bet so have no monetary interest, I asked on the anti post if anyone has re - watched the Dante?
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* four days
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Moore will ride what he is told to
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What did you make of the Dante
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Maybe he will, they rely a lot on his feed back from what I can see.
Delacroix’s trial was a 27 day gap Lion 23 So there’s not much to it, could be a lot is being made of close proximity of the Dante. The other trial runners have had more time, |
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Second guess this Firm at your peril
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Delacroix has a relatively speedy pedigree being by Dubawi X Tepin. My interpretation here is someone thinks he'll go French Derby which is 2 furlongs shorter and therefore Moore will ride TLIW at Epsom
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The Dante winner will improve a lot so Coolmore better pray.
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uptheirons 19 May 25 22:34
Second guess this Firm at your peril Wow ! You got that right ‘ firm’…..like some gangster mob…. |
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I’d recommended anyone with a recording of the Dante fromITV to rewatch. O’Brien had a touch of the Biden about him maybe the pressure or it was difficult to keep telling the lies.
Before the race he contracted himself to Richi saying , “He’ll improve a lot for the run, er (unknown indecisive ) he won’t improve a lot.” Quite amusing to see him so shifty! Ed the tooth said just before the off that if Lion flopped he didn’t think he’d be going . Straight after said on the back of that I doubt we’ll see him. Followed up by Holles saying I don’t think he’ll go and whereas O’Brien has done it before, he felt that there wasn’t enough time In between the two races. As Moore had indicted uncharacteristically regarding the Musidora the day before. |
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And four days later there’s a big gamble and shift!
“We'll see how they're all working, talk to Ryan and decide.” Can only assume he out-sped the Range Rover!  (Ryan’s input is vital) |
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As a backer and fan of Damysus , I havent that much interest in the O'brien saga , but had yet another look at the Dante and thought Ryan made a real meal of the 'incident ' 2f out , bumping in the saddle .. . Yes the horse hung and also carries his head a bit high , but he didnt look like he had any acceleration till he got a clip with the whip .Having said that it was a very educational ride .
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At the end of the day either TLIW or Delacroix or both will end up at Epsom on 7th June. The rest are conjecture base don personal opinions. Nevertheless, the market has been proven correct more times than wrong on history. As such, not prudent to put all your eggs in one basket if you're a fan of either TLIW or Delacroix. The fans of other protagonists will be hoping neither will show up for obvious reasons.
Keep it simple. All will be revealed in about 2.5 weeks' time. Some here will be luckier than others. Good luck! |
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I respect your opinion Impossible but it’s important to have an opinion especially about Delacroix, who’s being made false favourite for two races, Group Ones, having only beaten stablemates at home.
Thanks for reminding us about how far away the race is 2.5 weeks. "What I would say is that 12 hours is a long time in a racehorse's life, never mind 72. I'm not complaining as that is what they've decided to do and they have their reasons, but it wouldn't have been our preference to do something like that.” The man himself. I don’t follow the markets like the sheeple, favourite backing for me isn’t a fun game to play. We all have our ways however. There’s an old reggae song by Burning Spear called - It Is Good - he sings, “It is good when a man can think for himself…” |
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Regretably,sentiments wasted on implausible
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Good luck to all that have had a bet already, I’ll sit tight and be looking at the French version next.
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Paulo47, I thought Damysus got a very poor ride in the Dante, though nothing was made of it. Jumped smartly and instead of taking advantage of that to get a position in say 4th or 5th the jockey allowed the horse to drift back through the field to 3rd last. 3f out he was still there, only making a move after the favourite had started his run. Had to move out to come widest of all then too much to do. Must have a fine chance in the Derby if getting a better run. Hope you are on at a good price.
Has Gosden named a rider yet? Think Moore will be on the TLIW. |
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Love it everyone’s opening up now!
 But you’re correct he was given a dud ride, nada said but oh he was unlucky! Looked like there was a bit to work with also, has a great temperament too.Doyle the retained rider might be back by then. |
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I dont remember horses Being Shyte the Run before the Derby and then winning the Derby back in the Day
Is the new way forward for Aiden and the Lads |
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^^
This is another reason why antepost is virtually "deaded". Trainers and bookies are treating punters with contempt and as non-entity in horseracing,. |
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Coolmore make it very difficult tbh….horrible outfit imv
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all about the paddocks for THE LADS and if they thought the only danger to LIW was DELA you can rest assured DELA wouldn't be running
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TLIW needs to win a prestigious G1 race eg Epsom Derby/KG&QE2/Eclipse/Juddmonte to justify his probable lofty stud value/fee; The French or the Irish Derby just will not do. And, The ARC is a no go race for a probable Champion or highest rated 3yr old colt for Coolmore.
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Averaged 35 Barstool , I wasnt wholly convinced about Sandown , so added a bit more after York , but just nice to see progress . TBF am not absolutely convinced about any of them acting round Epsom so will add something else nearer the time . My formline isnt great mind , Pour Moi my only winner until forever remembered Wings of Eagles (ap post Chester ).
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Good luck. Can lay off your stake on the day at least.
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What’s going on here then? Delacroix blue across the boards, magic sign biggest on the Lion!
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I hope Coolmore would run TLIW and Delacroix and a pacesetter; TLIW would have the beating of Ruling Court, assuming both stay the distance equally well; Ruling Court would have the beating of Delacroix on last season's form.
But, TLIW is very unlikely French Derby bound. |
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With the fake plunge on the Lion days after the Dante, Delacroix was allowed to drift to 11/2
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