Sycamore tree verdict

beetles could help although they can bore a bit

if i fell

norwegian wood

woody allen could direct

if they've took 4 hrs not to reach a verdict,the tea, coffee,sarnies,cakes,bickies must be top notch , fill your boots folks

restaurants in Cumbria not the best so decided to branch out to the metro centre

Where was the up roar when Swampy and Co were being ripped out the canopy.

Where were all you grief strichen Arboriculturists?

Where was the up roar when Swampy and Co were being ripped out the canopy.


... In the Bog.

The two accused put forward some ludicrous alibis and it wouldn't surprise me if the jury hadn't been offered discount roof repairs by this prime pair of wallies.

GUILTY.

To be sentenced in July after pre-sentencing reports.

Does being thick as mince count as mental illness?

.... Mystery person took his car at night and returned it in the morning, leaving a wedge from the tree and a chainsaw. !! 

How did it take 4 hours to come to guilty decision. That is what amazes me.

All this fuss people tearing out their hair and a gnashing of teeth over a tree. Meanwhile endless

numbers of un-named migrants crossing the channel, rampant knife crime, shoplifting, rapes, muggings,

phone thefts, burglaries etc, most of which aren't even investigated.

Where are our priorities?

"4 hours and cudnt reach a decision...was a 10 min inquiry ffs."    Sounds like a few employees  from the racecourses had been called up.

roggrain 09 May 25 11:18 
All this fuss people tearing out their hair and a gnashing of teeth over a tree. Meanwhile endless

numbers of un-named migrants crossing the channel, rampant knife crime, shoplifting, rapes, muggings,

phone thefts, burglaries etc, most of which aren't even investigated.

Where are our priorities?

Open air lunatic asylum roggrain…..no one cares anymore tbh…

The circus on the Thames….shameful….Deputy leader like a fortune teller from the old showground tbh….

Jury would be discussing everything apart from the tree….coffee and biscuits…..

Think Jury decided to come back today. Wait 5 mins give obvious verdict and all have rest of day off in the sun

rograin, you think its ok to go around cutting down trees in the countryside?

"4 hours and cudnt reach a decision...was a 10 min inquiry ffs."    Sounds like a few employees  from the racecourses had been called up.


Probably had to go over 4hrs to qualify for jury service. You know it makes sense.

Might have taken 4 hours to elect a foreman

The pair of morons should have been remanded in custody

life will be hell when they get out and cumbrians don't like to move to other parts

No Pandora I don't. What I'm complaining about is the huge fuss being made compared to much more

serious crimes.

pre-sentencing reports mean excuses for appalling behaviour and pleas not to lock them up from the probation mob and social services

they never report to the court that they are lawless anti-social low life who are a menace to society and have contempt for the law and others in society so lock em up

Imagine these 2 morons getting banged up in the nick.
What you in for,
1. I stabbed somebody
2. I'm in for GBH
3. Affray
4. Assaulting a Copper
5. Arson
What you 2 in for, "We chopped down a tree", should have been a 3rd as we're Treefellas.

Can we also have an extra 6 months for wasting Police time with the Hans Christian Andersens.

both been assessed by the Rampton head psychiatrist and both found to be thicker than the wedge they cut from the tree..

i really hope they get the max the judge is allowed if only for pleading not guilty.

what's the max, 5, 10?

Pity his surname is not Gonner  as he could have named his new daughter Teresa.

... Think they said 10yrs on the News Elise, my guess would be circa 2 yrs.

I can see the media interest going against them as well as the pathetic NG pleas.

10 yrs seems high but i guess there's been so much media on this they might get a higher term, plus they pleaded not guilty and wasted all the court time, s'pose they serve 5, pair of idiots

max for criminal damage is 10yrs..tree valued at 600k.

Kindling….

I can't believe they're talking about lengthy prison sentences,they don't seem nasty or dangerous people,give them 6 months or community service I say .

... 2 pheckin idiots skulking about at night with a chainsaw causing criminal damage ... No they dont seem dangerous or nasty people !!!  Jesus wept, thank feck you werent on the jury Snowy.

unsure how thick you need to be to commit a crime like this for no gain and a risk of a long spell in jail

farage /tice wont want a long sentence that,ll be 2 votes gone in swing seat Cumbria .
farage already had to winthdrawe their application to stand as councilors

inside info guilty verdict was in the balance till a little old lady put her knitting down and told jury one liverd next door and asked if they could hide the chainsaw in her garage

better bait needed snowy

The judge, Mrs Justice Lambert, said she would pass sentence on 15 July, by which time pre-sentence reports would be ready. Remanding both men into custody she said they could face “a lengthy period” in jail.

Carruthers, a mechanic living in a caravan in Kirkbride, said he was not at the site of the crime. His barrister, Andrew Gurney, said it made no sense for a man to be “gallivanting around the national park cutting down Sycamore Gap” just five days after his partner had left hospital with their newborn baby.

Quite.

tree valued at 600k

i made it 578k 

is very subjective

goes by girth hulk..

york hock worth 13p.

i blame the english prison system for your rather unhealthy obsession with my "hock" rico

they've let you down ..

17p btw

What sort of Half decent mechanic lives in a caravan ffs.

His last Mot ..

It's the headlines on the bbc 6 o'clock news ,I can see them bringing back the death penalty for this."Tree lives matter " supporters planning marches as we speak .

court heard these gimps spoke on the phone every day and met four times a week, sound like a couple of ****s.

They obv thought the storm would be blamed.

only if inspector bigmart and pc ist time poster were investigating the crime

Both looked a bit ashen when found guilty.

.... Yep you could see the sap draining out of them.

It`s seems to be regenerating. Great news for our great, great, grand children.

As far as I am concerned it is an absolute farce now much media time has been wasted on this incident. The BBC trolls reported that it was known (the tree) throughout the world.  How had I never heard of it before then?
It's only a tree ffs. Yes it is regrettable that it was destroyed by a pair of witless vandals and it is sad that no-one will ever savings able to propose under it.
So what?
The Southport savage poured boiling hot water over a prison warder the other day, probably with lasting damage, both physical and mental, to the victim.
Which crime is more heinous? No brainer for me.
It is regrettable the tree was chopped down but no more than that.  Surely?!

The prison system "asks for it "   This is the second such incident in a few weeks.  These guys shouldn't be anywhere near kitchens or boiling water/oil .  Lets have criminal damage value 500k+ carried out all over the place ?   Lets' have tv masts chopped down and no tv for regions?  Oh it's alright because you don't live in the area and have never heard of it. The sentence handed to these cretins will tell you how serious it was. An example needs to made of them.

The woke blob have taken over, hold all the power and face none of the potential consequences. Hence corrupt legal decisions, mandate to go easy on 'minorities', treat prison inmates like guests of a hotel, allow schiztos and fanatics to live in the 'community' avoiding their drugs if they don't fancy taking them, allowing evil dangerous killers out on parole after completing a fraction of the sentence.

An MP wants a decision to move a prisoner, convicted of gouging his ex-partner's eyes out, to an open prison to be reviewed.

Andrew George, Liberal Democrat MP for St Ives, said a decision to move Shane Jenkin out of a closed prison was "totally unacceptable" and he would be writing to Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood.

Jenkin, 45, of Sea Lane, Hayle, in Cornwall was jailed for life with a minimum term of six years in 2012 after he blinded Tina Nash while holding her hostage for 12 hours in April 2011.

A Ministry of Justice (MoJ) spokesperson said "robust risk assessments" would have been carried out before moving Jenkin to an open prison.

Jenkin, who admitted grievous bodily harm, also strangled Ms Nash and broke her nose and jaw, and gouged her eyes out while holding her hostage.

ffs, this kk**** should never see the light of day again. literally

When she woke up, her eyeballs were hanging out and he said to Tina it was her fault she'd never see her kids again

Hard boiled egg where the sun don’t shine…..preferably hot from the pot…

I didn't say it was alright.  lol.  I said it has been grossly over-sentimentalised by the woke media and the ever-growing battalions of brain-washed wokes, like you howard.
It is a tree.  A tree.  One tree.  A tree which means absolutely nothing to the ordinary citizens of this country who struggle to make ends meet, feed and clothe their kids, keep sheriff officers from their doors even though they have jobs.
It is a tree and, presumably you are a tree hugger of monstrous sanctimony and little common sense.
I repeat it is very regrettable it has been vandalised - whether I live nearby to it or not.
Lol.

I'm as anti 'woke' as anyone, but in my opinion you're seeing it from the wrong angle. If someone sets out to wilfully destroy something that is so important to multiple people, that cannot be replaced, the deterrent to others considering something similar must be very high. Cultural vandalism, and God knows there's been far too much of that from elected politicians already. Yes you might not care about this tree, but it could be something you do care deeply about on the next occasion.

Anyhow, it would be most prudent to await the actual sanction, before passing judgement on it. I absolutely do not trust the judiciary in its current state. They could give a lengthy custodial and suspend it

I fail to see why people should be abused and castigated simply because they're aware of social and political issues? Surely that's better than turning a blind eye to intolerance, hatred and injustice?

its a tree after all ,a post on here saying  the perps should be cut in half with the chainsaw they used to saw the tree with ,it was a brainless act and I don't condone it but on that day there was a coach crash with fatalities that got nowhere near the coverage!

Well said FOYLES - my view too.  And on the point of sentencing don't give them porridgetime or a fine but give them a horrendous amount of community service, like a 1,000 hours, to be rigidly applied by our social work department with no relaxation of the terms until completed.  In the environment.  Maybe clearing rivers and canals of litter, junk etc; or cleaning up polluted areas and picking up litter anywhere.  Consistently monitored and applied.  Make their retribution of chronic proportions so they, and others get the message.
And for us,     ask ourselves a question.  Why do we go full time overboard about one tree when don't give one blog about the Amazon rainforest being systematically, and irreversibly denuded to nothingness?  Or, if we must be closer to home, why have jobs of the singers herein not raised concerns about the destruction of British countryside, including the loss of thousands upon thousands of trees, by the now cancelled HR2 fiasco.
Well?

It was a fixed part of a beautiful fixed view, enjoyed by tens of thousands a year.
Paris wouldn't look the same if you took just one tower down.
Good luck with a thousand hours of rigidly applied community work.

" Give them community service "

     

What excuse did the wee nyaff give the po!is when charged with defiling a beauty spot with the words f%%% t88 p@@@?I
"Well Ah cannae spell f%%% the moderator of the general assembly of the church of scotland,mister"!

don't you just yearn for the days  when the usual suspects on here were travelling 300 miles to surround and protect statues they,d never heard  off and then cried like babies when they got a good shoeing

lol

Don't say i'm woke you idiot. Cider gives the perfect explanation above but you choose to label people just because you don't agree with this particular likely long sentence.

See how many friends these guys have when they get out...and how welcome they are in Carlisle restaurants

It was a daft thing to do but unless they can find a clause in the law that refers to specific trees, I don't see how they can get a bigger sentence than the dozens of others who fell trees without permission every year.

Entirely up to the judge sage, nothing to do with anything previous, the value put on the tree can mean anything up to the max sentence!!

Yes but no more than the max sentence.

How many morbid individuals cut down perfectly good trees just to sit round a campfire….

CagliariG 12 May 25 12:22 
Entirely up to the judge sage

absolute and utter garbage ydc..judges havent got carte blanche to do as they see fit..every sentence now is governed by strict guidlines.

CagliariG 12 May 25 12:22
Entirely up to the judge sage

absolute and utter garbage ydc..judges havent got carte blanche to do as they see fit..every sentence now is governed by strict guidelines.

Because they are uk born and bred they could have looking at a long term…..tbh

Undocumented or other type of individuals…..suspended……it would make him/them cry…

Rico proving his ignorance again. a judge can sentence up to and including the maximum for any offence!! HTH

you get the highest sentence if the offence is of the highest standard.

They will get hammered by the judge for pleading not guilty and going to trial, then giving ludicrous lie after lie in evidence. Being idiots posting stuff on social media and multiple text messages didn't help their brief either. Darwinism .

as the REFORM loons have spent the last yr telling everyone trying to set a building on fire with 100,s inside,ISNT ALL THAT ,seems some took it on board and tried to set the UK,s PM front door alight last night, nothing to see here obviously

lies mean nothing tbh..they would have got 33% off for a guilty so eg 3yr would have been 2yr so an extra yr means an extra 4mth.

1st time poster 12 May 25 17:23 
as the REFORM loons have spent the last yr telling everyone trying to set a building on fire with 100,s inside,ISNT ALL THAT ,seems some took it on board and tried to set the UK,s PM front door alight last night, nothing to see here obviously

The Reform loons will cleanse the Uk……

Reform = Dettol.

Because of Reform, poor old Starmer now has to try and pretend he's bearish on immigration

I think the sycamore had more charisma. Still does, probably.

That’s a fact…

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They will get hammered by the judge for pleading not guilty and going to trial, then giving ludicrous lie after lie in evidence. Being idiots posting stuff on social media and multiple text messages didn't help their brief either. Darwinism .
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agreed the should have took the deal be out in 6 months tagged, maybe they wanted the notoriety ? as it was attention seeking behaviour

one had chris knox a local top kc..i cannae bleeve he hasnt made him plead guilty.

it's the defendants choice, i don't know who done it but if they did ?, they would probably got easy deal for vandalism.
The way the world is going they will probably make a netflix programme out it, strange but true, the world is mad.

i know that malay

but you'd think noxy would sed haway your a million to get a not gilty.

Of course they'll "get hammered by the judge" - the BBC and media circus generated around the case has already seen to that.  As for the good citizens of Carlisle giving them grief, well, they will obviously have deserved it.
However the fact remains that they have vandalised a tree.  They haven't committed treason, or committed serial murders or glued themselves to the M25 and seriously disrupted the life of a nation.  They have stupidly cut down a tree, and even more stupidly, proved themselves to be absolute Grecians dduring their tribal
Poor some howard.  Can't keep a civil tongue in his some head.

The two men convicted of chopping down the Sycamore Gap tree were suspects in an investigation into alleged homophobic assaults that took place around the same time they committed their infamous crime.

Daniel Graham, 39, from Carlisle, and Adam Carruthers, 32, from Wigton, were found guilty last week of cutting down the iconic tree at Hadrian's Wall on 27 September 2023.

Nine days earlier, a man reported being doused in icing sugar and subjected to verbal abuse by two people at a layby in Cumbria often frequented by men seeking sexual encounters.

The CPS dropped the case more than a year later, but emails confirm police prepared a file on Graham and Carruthers for prosecutors.

I don't know enough about "the tree" was it in a protected area ? Under English National Heritage watch ?, I don't know.
If it was, the sentence will be quite heavy for going to trial.
The new cliche "taxpayers money" will be used.
I won't waste my time watching the netflix 10 episodes version.

If you go out and vandalise you're neighbours property to a serious extent you will definitely be looking at jail time or if you lucky compensation and community order.
This appears to be a bigger thing, personally I couldn't give a f about "the tree" but looks like it means a lot to many people.

well done howard.  How could anyone with even an ounce of self esteem let it be known that they were "assaulted with Icing Sugar"!
Did it wash off o.k.?

assaulted with icing sugar and egg whites alledgedly ,don't think the judge will go souffle on them tbh.

means a lot to many people and Hadrians Wall / Northumberland tourism local pubs etc.  This gets to the point. They knew this would upset hundreds possibly thousands of people. One tree but no others for miles in a unique setting. They don't care likely because they are sociopaths.

Are the perpetrators as incomprehensible as posters on a racing forum leaving dyslexic posts in the middle of the night? lol

didn't listen to all the court hearing and its been mentioned a few times in passing but this was at the time of REFORM/FARAGE/TICE waging war on the national trust and this was on their doorstep compared to driving to Dover and scuppering a LIFEBOAT who reform /farage and tice were also wagering war on at the time , + these 2 dingbats would probably have taken the lifeboat OUT TO SEA BEFORE PUTTING A HOLE IN HER