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Only mistake is that he didn't get after him 4/5 strides sooner. A lot of milers need winding up a bit before they hit full stride. Looks like he will get 10 but he doesn't need it. He's quick enough for a top level race over 8. As usual a lot of pocket talkers and hyperbole on here. He was gaining last half furlong. Wouldn't surprise anyone were he to win St James palace for example. Yes he made a minor mistake today but impossible to know had he even been pitch perfect he would've won. He's had a good season so far especially when all and sundry were baying for blood last year.
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May 11, 2025 -- 4:26PM, elise wrote:
winner drifts into the path of 3rd which moves slightly across 2nd
& 2nd tightens the 3rd up late
nothing to see
1st and 2nd maybe together squeeze 3rd, not sure how this plays out
agree with Cider. winner pushed the 3rd into the runner up so it will be reversed.
the winner has made the 4th move out affecting the run of the 2nd for sure
May 11, 2025 -- 4:28PM, elise wrote:
1st and 2nd maybe together squeeze 3rd, not sure how this plays out
exactly & the aga filly tightens the 3rd up late on
so why has the winner gone?
it was clear cut. Winner takes the 2nd and 3rd across the course and causes interference. Very simple decision for me.
Utter bollocks. French f**kers. Won on merit and Barzalona has had a nightmare. Shocking stuff.
May 11, 2025 -- 4:33PM, asparagus wrote:
it was clear cut. Winner takes the 2nd and 3rd across the course and causes interference. Very simple decision for me.
so you're ignoring the aga filly hampering the 3rd...convenient that
Wouldnt have been reversed if it had been french hoss doing that to Shes Perfect
on the head on it looked worse, fptp moved a fair way, def moved the 4th into the path of 2nd and that's why it's gone
It was an enterprising ride by Shoemark but making all is much more straightforward then deciding when to make your run at Newmarket. Barzalona guilty of exactly the same mistake today of being too confident in his mount. I wonder what his instructions were?
May 11, 2025 -- 4:33PM, asparagus wrote:
it was clear cut. Winner takes the 2nd and 3rd across the course and causes interference. Very simple decision for me.
Spot on. Seemed a very obvious reversal and the correct decision was made. If Shes Perfect stayed straight then it would have lost by half a length at least
Pity no betting, fav closing on the line, interference caused by fptp, French rules, no brainer.
Suits me fine as I thought Zarigana was a certainty before the race.
The French allow criminals to float over the channel on a daily basis, they ain't gonna think twice about promoting their new French "superstar" at the cost of a British trained runner.
Horse thrown because jock couldn't keep it straight. If you saw the head on no surprise at all it was thrown out. Punctured the balloon for a few.
Wondersobright, that's irrelevant as it didn't affect the result. The point is the 2nd past the post was beat by a very tiny margin yet suffered significant interference. Has to be reversed. Soumillon maybe gets a small ban for the interference caused late but that interference obviously had no bearing on the result.
backed Zarigana and it would have won only for soft arse dropping his whip but dont think it would have been turned around in England.
Thats the second time i have had that race on a stewards the first one was a Khaled Abdulla horse that also won the English 1000 on a disqualification.
Thats the second time i have had that race on a stewards the first one was a Khaled Abdulla horse that also won the English 1000 on a disqualification.
asparagus • May 11, 2025 4:37 PM BST
Wondersobright, that's irrelevant as it didn't affect the result.
its cost the 4th filly 3rd place so you're wrong
Wondersobright, that's irrelevant as it didn't affect the result.
its cost the 4th filly 3rd place so you're wrong
if that's only interference in the race that aga filly should be coming off the board
as clear a result stands as you will see
except nepotism has reared its head (again)
except nepotism has reared its head (again)
Soumillon maybe gets a small ban for the interference caused late
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They closed the book straight after the race. The result shows She's Perfect as the winner.
Wondersobright, a horse is only disqualified in such circumstances if it improves its own position. She's Perfect caused interference which improved her position. Zarigana caused interference which didn't improve her position. Therefore She's Perfect is disqualified and Zarigana isn't. Very straightforward.
Disgusting! French cheats! Watched it back 6/7 times, absolutely nothing in that!
Field of gold run the last furlong faster than any guineas winner in the last 15 years, career defining mistake, inexcusable at group one level
Seem to remember them not throwing Dylan Thomas out in the Arc. I wonder why. The common owners of Jacqueline Quest and the filly today have been shafted imo.
May 11, 2025 -- 4:47PM, Try My Best wrote:
Seem to remember them not throwing Dylan Thomas out in the Arc. I wonder why. The common owners of Jacqueline Quest and the filly today have been shafted imo.
yeah...and the colour of the silks have nothing to do with it 
How is it interference? Did they stop riding because of the "interference" No!
exactly wonder. Frightened to death that coolmore would f!ck them off in the future
She's Perfect caused interference which improved her position.
we differ there
we differ there
DT was under the old rules, when a horse was thrown out for causing interference if it improved the finishing position or not. Was a scandal.
Anyone backed Shes Perfect and extracted their balance? My bet on Zarigana still showing as a loser so presumably they have credited the bets on the first past the post. I can see your post Cider but Betfair were premature to settle any bets.
agree to disagree
special duty a long time ago now but 2 classics in the stewards room wonder if aga filly can match that
special duty a long time ago now but 2 classics in the stewards room wonder if aga filly can match that
Think it was the obvious and correct decision. But also agree, reverse the horses and probably stands
If people backed SP, and withdraw their balance, they'll end up with a negative balance. I seem to recall bf now have the authority to reverse the withdrawal.
May 11, 2025 -- 4:54PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:
Think it was the obvious and correct decision. But also agree, reverse the horses and probably stands
fair enough
When will betfair nick the money back after already paying out ?
Special Duty had 2 furlongs to get past JQ and couldn't manage it. Another appalling decision imo. But lets give it to the Abdullahs and Aga Khans of this world as we know who wields the power in our sport.
Harsh to me that decision.
Looking forward to the Coronation Stks,surely they must meet in that again.
Looking forward to the Coronation Stks,surely they must meet in that again.
Significant interference and a tiny margin. The terrible Dylan Thomas decision has no bearing on this one which was very clear cut.
May 11, 2025 -- 4:57PM, Try My Best wrote:
Special Duty had 2 furlongs to get past JQ and couldn't manage it. Another appalling decision imo. But lets give it to the Abdullahs and Aga Khans of this world as we know who wields the power in our sport.
newmarket was a bit of carrying not much, also a huge draw bias that year
french guineas she wasn't involved in the interference iirc
But the main interference was to the fourth so why was she not also put in front of She's Perfect? Zarigana was only secondary to the real interference which was to the fourth.
At least they can market the horse as being first past the post in a classic like they did with Nureyev
Someone earlier in the thread said straight after the race that it was a 'ridiculous objection' which I totally agreed with.
Then I was a bit concerned for the winner as the French stewards are notorious for ludicrous decisions...before the
'inevitable surprise' of a disqualification was announced - fcukin' ludicrous...and sure to be reversed on appeal.
Worse still...I backed it and I had a rare bet on my Hill's account as I'd signed in to watch the colts race earlier.
16/1 SP was quoted on ATR and on 365's website...even 18/1 in the RP but those skunks paid my E/W SP bet at 14/1.
It's just emphasised why I have only had a handful of bets with them since opening an account about 25 yrs ago - I won't
be using those shíts again...unless they're giving something away.
Then I was a bit concerned for the winner as the French stewards are notorious for ludicrous decisions...before the
'inevitable surprise' of a disqualification was announced - fcukin' ludicrous...and sure to be reversed on appeal.
Worse still...I backed it and I had a rare bet on my Hill's account as I'd signed in to watch the colts race earlier.
16/1 SP was quoted on ATR and on 365's website...even 18/1 in the RP but those skunks paid my E/W SP bet at 14/1.
It's just emphasised why I have only had a handful of bets with them since opening an account about 25 yrs ago - I won't
be using those shíts again...unless they're giving something away.
Think you can work out who backed reinstated winner on here. No bet for me so perhaps more objective.
Thought trainer summed up what we all thought.
Thought trainer summed up what we all thought.
May 11, 2025 -- 5:24PM, Hibore wrote:
Think you can work out who backed reinstated winner on here. No bet for me so perhaps more objective. Thought trainer summed up what we all thought.
clear cut H
so you think they,ll win an appeal in France heard by the people who brought in these rules,this forum should be renamed BETFAIR FORUM FOR DUMMIES
The French have always done what they want to but,by their rules it was not a surprise
More chance of Oscar Pestorius getting Athletes Foot than that verdict being over turned.
By that logic dumb poster why have an appeals process in the first place. Dickhead.
I will be interested to hear what others think about the head on. I rewound attheraces and have watched the crucial bit about a dozen times.Yes he drifts left twice but I'm not 100% sure there was actual contact between shoemark and moore at all.(need a better view from more to the right to be sure) On the second drift, Moore hits his horse on the right flank causing his horse to move left and give a clear bump to Barzalona. Also it looks to me like quick thinking from Barzalona. He "drops" his stick when in his left hand and then uses his right hand to slap the horses neck all for effect for the stewards thinking he's not going to get up (maybe?). Of course he could have just dropped it by mistake.
Hope Fellowes on advice appeals and wins.
Hope Fellowes on advice appeals and wins.
fcukin' ludicrous...and sure to be reversed on appeal.
Basher Watts Racing 2 vs Aga Khan Studs Sc
good luck with the appeal Basher
Basher Watts Racing 2 vs Aga Khan Studs Sc
good luck with the appeal Basher
that looks very harsh to me on first viewing but if the French have different rules re minimal interference
and given connections no surprise they reversed first two, Shoemark can't catch a break atm
agree that appeal might be futile but it would be massive for trainer, jockey and connections so worth a try
and given connections no surprise they reversed first two, Shoemark can't catch a break atm
agree that appeal might be futile but it would be massive for trainer, jockey and connections so worth a try
You have to feel for Basher & co racing as they will never ever get another oppourtunity to win a Classic. Once in a lifetime up in smoke.
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The eventual winner was given an awful ride and should have won anyway
May 11, 2025 -- 6:16PM, geoff m wrote:
You have to feel for Basher & co racing as they will never ever get another oppourtunity to win a Classic. Once in a lifetime up in smoke.
They were implying one barstewards that he is a blagger and they don’t own the horses he says they do.
Can’t stand watching his videos, the ones where he either backs favourites or tells you he has had winners at other courses, 100% record.
fancy this 8/15 shot in the next. i've done it in a double with one that won at Bath half an hour ago meaning if it wins (it's 8/15, it probably will) i'm claiming a 6/1 winner. on yer bike ffs.
This is the first one I've ever watched on the channel...as he says, it's bittersweet for him to watch back.
https://youtu.be/n8edjiY8pXg?si=fr2zrtsNAxb6qqJK
https://youtu.be/n8edjiY8pXg?si=fr2zrtsNAxb6qqJK
Could not find him in British Flat Jockeys Championship in todays Racing Post.
Had a look on the BHA web site.
34 rides 2 wins 6%. Win pm £28,807 total pm £255,359
77th place based on wins and 5th place on pm, quite a contrast.
Very early days tbf with Murphy top with 12 winners.
Cam Hardy 0/33, Richard Kingscote 1/34, Connor Beasley 1/34, Tom Eaves 1/33 all off to slow starts.
Just posted out of interest. 200+ in the table. Tough game.
Had a look on the BHA web site.
34 rides 2 wins 6%. Win pm £28,807 total pm £255,359
77th place based on wins and 5th place on pm, quite a contrast.
Very early days tbf with Murphy top with 12 winners.
Cam Hardy 0/33, Richard Kingscote 1/34, Connor Beasley 1/34, Tom Eaves 1/33 all off to slow starts.
Just posted out of interest. 200+ in the table. Tough game.
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