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By:
CagliariG
When: 08 Apr 25 17:24
Day trading bears no relation to long term investment or pension funds etc invested. My old mate Terry Ramsden turned to day trading many years ago and gave two tips, Dragon Oil for the long(ish) term and Circle Oil for a get in and get out, he was right both times but he had people who were advising him from the inside.

As a long term investor it should always be the case not to react too quickly for events such as we have seen unless you are coming to the end of the long term, even then a panic loss prevention stance could be costly, most pension funds managers etc will stand their ground imo.
By:
Cider
When: 08 Apr 25 17:36
About 90% of people with DC work pension pots have no idea what they are invested in. Most of the default options are too cautious, AND still assume the employee will purchase an annuity upon retiring. Which they almost certainly won't do.
By:
CagliariG
When: 08 Apr 25 17:43
Anyone getting near retiring would be best served buying an annuity, SIPP or otherwise depending on how that market has reacted, solely for peace of mind in knowing their future income for nearly 4 years imvho?
By:
1st time poster
When: 08 Apr 25 17:51
a joint annuity hammers your monthly income and if you die after 5 yrs the spouse left gets nothing, so wheres the peace of mind ?
I could have turned my pot in to an  annuity this yr happy enough with the income for a single annuity ,but if something happens to me the pension dies with you
joint annuity,index linked, are to penal for those with pots of say 200,000 and below
By:
Cider
When: 08 Apr 25 17:53
linkers are still pretty expensive. it's probably ok to have a mix of fixed income and drawdown, but the reality is that most people take the money nowadays. Especially if there are inheritance considerations.

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By:
know all
When: 08 Apr 25 17:57
Markets are slightly up, but we have trump raising chinas payment to 100%, if that happens then there is further chaos to come imo, it’s high stakes he is playing but he has the upper hand for now but that could and can change, I’m holding fire looking more often to see how the markets are reacting as it’s about to go one way or the other, it’s unchartered territory we are entering, I’m in a sipp so can buy and sell my pension money until I need some of it
By:
1st time poster
When: 08 Apr 25 17:59
a sipp that's already been crystalized and in drawdown ?
By:
Cider
When: 08 Apr 25 18:05
I can't say it's unchartered territory, the world deliberately cratered the economy but 5 years ago. Far far more implications than a change/realignment of trading policies. We pretty much shut down commercial air travel, just one example.
By:
know all
When: 08 Apr 25 18:15
Yeah, you can draw down what you like, did it a few years ago when annuity's were not good, I’d maybe had a different opinion if It was today, although you can leave the surplus in a will to whom you want, if you take out a annuity and a month later you die its lost unless you leave it to you partner or a percentage to your partner, but those annuity rates shown above are slashed, so it’s why I choose a sipp as I like the buying and selling and if I get it wrong I can only blame myself it was the only way to buy bitcoin through stocks at the time
By:
ronnie rails
When: 08 Apr 25 18:31
Stocks and share have been a disaster  for me I can remember  getting  into the dot coms sadly  everyone  was getting out of them .Had shares in signet thanks Gerald.
Ronnie.
By:
CagliariG
When: 08 Apr 25 18:41
Sounds like you just gambled with a pension pot Know All so hardly sounds like you are concerned for anyone other than yourself? Like most who do not take steps to provide for partners or spouses e.g life insurance etc you are gambling with the financial future of someone else if not just yourself to think about?
By:
know all
When: 08 Apr 25 19:02
Gamblers gamble for themselves always have done, nothings changed
By:
know all
When: 08 Apr 25 19:03
Gamblers gamble for themselves always have done, nothings changed
By:
impossible123
When: 08 Apr 25 19:07
Mine was 9/11. I got out asap.
By:
DixieDean60
When: 08 Apr 25 19:17
know all - pensions do not usually form part of your estate so you cannot "leave the surplus in a will to whom you want". You have to nominate a beneficiary with your pension provider. Payments are tax free as they do not come under inheritance tax at the moment but i understand this is most likely to change in April 2027 (cheers Rachel) .
By:
formoftheace
When: 08 Apr 25 19:52
Gamblers are a selfish group tbh…
By:
sageform
When: 09 Apr 25 09:14
Buying a house could be looked on as a gamble but it has been a very good investment for 95% of those who own one. A few have been too close to an eroding sea cliff or a river that floods but most have easily beaten inflation and the stock markets. I am old enough to remember a Cotswold stone cottage selling for £50 in around 1950. Now north of a £million with a few improvements and extensions. My first one cost £2600 in 1969. Capital appreciation worth more than all of my earnings from work since then which is bizarre but true for many. The data on the FTSE conveniently leaves out inflation and the companies that drop out of the 100.
By:
know all
When: 09 Apr 25 09:36
I noticed the bbc news yesterday day saying the markets were up what they don’t tell you is it’s up like 2% which is fk all, that’s to calm the markets after the falls previous days, they just leave out the prime details the way bbc do, it’s part of goverment so we get no truth, I predicted right that markets would go further down with this 100% china tariff and down over night and now, and further turmoil will come so I’m holding steady, entain has just lost the gains it made over the last 2 days, worrying times as it affects us all, looks like there is another agenda playing here, it’s not just tariffs now
By:
mwnn
When: 09 Apr 25 09:57
In Bonds There is Truth.

The Bond market has spoken.
By:
impossible123
When: 09 Apr 25 10:09
Bonds are the intelligent partner of shares; shares are for speculators and insider-dealers.
By:
thelatarps
When: 09 Apr 25 10:52
I wouldnt be wholly trusting in the property market either if the truth be told.

I should think the main reason for the boom in property prices over the last couple of decades is the fact that successive governments have failed to invest in affordable housing.
Population has increased, for whatever reason. Housing supply has not matched that. So prices have gone up.

We have a political system that relies on the votes of home owners in a handful of marginal constituencies. The best way to keep these punters happy is to keep them reassured and happy while the house price market keeps going up.

Homelessness and child poverty are at worrying levels. Hardly any young people in our big cities can get a foot on the property ladder either. But these play second fiddle to the political need for increasing house prices.

Clearly in the current envinronment, property investment if you can afford it, trumps(no pun intended) playing the markets by a long way.

But as we have seen these last few weeks the current political systems are being dismantled in the States. Dissatisfaction across Europe may lead to something similar here. So buyer beware...
By:
stu
When: 09 Apr 25 11:14
Gamblers gamble for themselves

Gamblers are a selfish group tbh…


I'd actually argue it's wider than 'gamblers' - people use money for themselves is more accurate assessment IMO.

Current events being a great way to evidence that really.

Money is a selfish concept, completely.
By:
know all
When: 09 Apr 25 11:37
Property is overhaul a great investment but some properties are not even back at the 2007 peak when prices were high, London and highly sought after regions excluded, interest rates is the killer for some I remember 16% interest and 2% increase in one day lol, interest rate increase cure inflation and been banging on the rates need to double to cure this inflation, interest decisions is supposed to be free from government intervention but that’s not true, they want you to believe it is, controls over holiday let’s is coming and second homes, taxes and levy's will hit hard to release more housing from that market imo
By:
roggrain
When: 09 Apr 25 12:24
I inherited some gold Sovereigns a couple of months ago. Post Trump they've gone up from a sell to

dealer price of £480 to £527 each. I'm wondering if I should sell now or hang on a bit longer.
By:
roggrain
When: 09 Apr 25 12:31
Just checked again. Up to £540  !!
By:
howard
When: 09 Apr 25 12:51
hang on a LOT longer would be my advice
By:
Cider
When: 09 Apr 25 13:30
Biggest shakedown could be debt. Which I alluded to in my March post. What if the US writes off its paper held by China lol. I don't think it will get that radical, the pressure is on the Fed to wind up the money printers though
By:
howard
When: 09 Apr 25 13:34
China's finance ministry has announced an 84% tariff on all goods imported from the US.

The ministry says that these new charges will take effect from 12:01 CST (05:00 BST) on 10 April.
By:
howard
When: 09 Apr 25 13:40
200% from the Don ?
By:
1st time poster
When: 09 Apr 25 14:19
200 .300,400 doesn't make any difference the tariffs ran out of rope with China at 34%,54 to 74 in total, the rest is just handbags,Chinese market went green overnight despite $104 tariffs, of course soya bean farmers in USA will be going out of business and wanting bailouts from TRUMP
so that's
bailouts
trillion on defensive spending next to nothing on tariffs as he has 0% dealls or imports slow down
USA debt repayments rising
THE DON just can't stop winninng
expect him to start a war or something big in next week,no Chinese,EU,Canadian,OZZ, planes rushing to washington
By:
howard
When: 09 Apr 25 15:15
In his first comments since China announced it will raise its levy on US imports to 84%, US President Donald Trump is encouraging companies to move to the US.

Writing on social media platform Truth Social, the US president says: "This is a GREAT time to move your COMPANY into the United States of America."

"ZERO TARIFFS, and almost immediate Electrical/Energy hook ups and approvals. No Environmental Delays. DON’T WAIT, DO IT NOW!", he adds.
By:
CaptainCristy
When: 09 Apr 25 15:18
I guess they are going to need plenty of migrants to do these jobs as the lard arse Americans won’t do them
By:
Cider
When: 09 Apr 25 15:28
They don't pay people supremely well to stay at home, and fund their transport like we do
By:
impossible123
When: 09 Apr 25 15:31
Will China move some of their important companies to the USA? Zero tariff is a massive carrot for any Chinese firm.
By:
Lazza7
When: 09 Apr 25 16:36
only if they can pay chinese wages
By:
1st time poster
When: 09 Apr 25 16:56
ELON MUSK were told has the most brilliant mind in the world ,don't they think that ELON and 1000,s of brilliant business minds before him looked at onshoring their businesses in to USA ,using only American made parts, THERES BILLIONS OF $ reasons why they didn't,but dumbo maga morons no better
By:
1st time poster
When: 09 Apr 25 16:57
I can help USA out with this one I no a country who owns 90% of the Earth's rare minerals the Americans will need for their onshoring LaughLaughLaugh
By:
comingupthehill
When: 09 Apr 25 17:14
Thought the whole concept of business,free markets,supply and demand etc.

Was less government interference,

Apple,and in England Dyson,choose to make their products in Asia,to be competitive and make more money.

Tariffs are just a form of fixed markets,cartels,closed shops.the opposite of free markets.
By:
CaptainCristy
When: 09 Apr 25 18:31
Trump blinks first
By:
impossible123
When: 09 Apr 25 18:32
Apple and Tesla have factories in China. The tariffs will affect them too. Any Chinese behemoths in America? Zilch. The Chinese have been anticipating the tariff argument and have planned accordingly.

President Trump need the 3rd world economies on his side, not alienating them. This tariff war is predominantly between USA and China, and a lesser extent EU; the American public are slow to cotton on, understand and realise their country cannot live on borrowed money to finance their indulgence in consumerism products of which are mainly from China making China the next world superpower, and money lender to the world.

In the future the rest of the world could be asked to kowtow to China, and dance to their tune in the same manner as Hong Kong, soon Taiwan, and the S China Sea ie the waters of Brunei, Malaysia, Vietnam, the Philippines and Indonesia; China has no sovereignty at all over the S China Sea.
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