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20 Mar 25
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Spent last night watching this on netflix probably the best thing on the channel this year.
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haven't seen it but Newsh1te spent 20 mins talking about it. Life's aways been tricky for young MEN with average looks and average brains. More so now cos the winners success is in their faces.
You seem have your wires crossed, Howard. The OP is referring to the Stephen Graham series, not the spiel Southgate has been pouring out.
I haven't. Co-writer interviewed from 2mins 40 secs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00292k2/newsnight-young-men-and-toxic...
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00292k2/newsnight-young-men-and-toxic...
Agree with KT it's brilliant. Each episode shot on continuous camera which makes it gripping.
I haven’t seen it yet. I didn’t think your post had anything to with the series at all.
It’s been promoted on every show going.
It’s been promoted on every show going.
Ive watched 2 Episode seems ok ,If the school is a true reflection of todays secondary schools , I would suggest folks look at putting their kids through Private schooling
So far it has come across as an episode of 24 hours in Police custody with a School visit and some personal bits thrown in
So far it has come across as an episode of 24 hours in Police custody with a School visit and some personal bits thrown in
if nothing else its got the usual suspects frothing at the mouth, organising bans,screeching.screaming about Stephen graham who has gone from the worlds best actor to a merchant banker in about 72 hrs ,
Hearing stories of how great and how awful this series is.. I'm in the "It's Awful" camp. Make your own mind up.
As stated watched two , Copper seems the best acting performance so far ,but nothing I have not seen on 24 Hours in Police Custody up to this point , Bar the school ,that appears to be full of nutters including the staff ,Maybe all will be revealed going forward 
there was a Mention of the Tate Brothers and Incels Quite a few watching will have heard of Neither , Could be a few of the latter on Politics
Quite a few watching will have heard of Neither , Could be a few of the latter on Politics
A recommended watch. Some great acting. IMO episodes 3 and 4 were the best!
My view is that 'Baby Reindeer' is the best thing on Netflix, but not for the squeamish.
Yes Smoky - and my son is raving about both. But in him, I see myself, thirty years ago being gripped by something like that. Im my advancing years though I find that I just can't face it. I seem to have joined the ranks of the squeamish!
It's a tough watch steerforth, and the warning signs are there for good reason.
Baby Reindeer was one of those shows where you’re saying to yourself ‘What the feck am I watching?’. Fecked up but good.
think Jamie in Adolescence (Owen Cooper)was brilliant, a star of the future
FACT.
The writer said it was based on the real life events involving Hassan Sentamu and his victim Elianne Andam.
Very strange how they decided to turn a 17 year old black muslim into a 13 year old white boy.
I thought that kind of thing was frowned upon nowadays in the entertainment industry.
The writer said it was based on the real life events involving Hassan Sentamu and his victim Elianne Andam.
Very strange how they decided to turn a 17 year old black muslim into a 13 year old white boy.
I thought that kind of thing was frowned upon nowadays in the entertainment industry.
Just watched two episodes. Will probably finish it off but it’s hardly gripped me. Agree with Emit.
It clever shooting an episode in one take but it isn’t necessary. Imagine being nicked at 630am and being interviewed at 659am! Pedantic I know.
It clever shooting an episode in one take but it isn’t necessary. Imagine being nicked at 630am and being interviewed at 659am! Pedantic I know.
Just came down to could the parents have done much more in the boys upbringing to have prevented him from murdering this young girl. The parents came to the conclusion that they possibly could have done more, though they didnt elaborate on this finding. The series appeared to be blaming the Tate Brothers and misogyny for the boys mindset, but for me he had an incredibly violent bad temper and reacted against the young girl spurning him and humiliating him. The real moral of the story should have been, you can be great parents but outside influences and pressures can make your children behave in ways you simply cant legislate for. The series is certainly not for the faint hearted as its quite hideous and disturbing.
They should do one on how to waste 3 years on the taxpayer at uni, then jump straight onto the anxious gravy train. Plenty of toxic females doing that.
I also agree that it was overhyped and relatively pointless.
Yet another Stephen Graham series, he seems to be in everything!
I live in S.E. London and deaths such as this one are a regular occurrence, so much so it's just part and parcel of life in London. Alsi, as Benny Binion mentioned earlier, why did they put a white youngster playing the killer when that wasn't the case? Answers on a postcard.....
A 16 year old was executed, in broad daylight, in the middle of the afternoon by Stockwell tube station on March 4th. The gangs are ruthless, that's just how it is.
Yet another Stephen Graham series, he seems to be in everything!
I live in S.E. London and deaths such as this one are a regular occurrence, so much so it's just part and parcel of life in London. Alsi, as Benny Binion mentioned earlier, why did they put a white youngster playing the killer when that wasn't the case? Answers on a postcard.....
A 16 year old was executed, in broad daylight, in the middle of the afternoon by Stockwell tube station on March 4th. The gangs are ruthless, that's just how it is.
watched the final two Episodes , if this were real , The kid is clearly suffering from a Mental Disorder , not sure what the point of the show is , kids will be laughing at it
Overhyped is the Word Slip
Overhyped is the Word Slip
BennyBinion1 21 Mar 25 15:39
FACT.
The writer said it was based on the real life events involving Hassan Sentamu and his victim Elianne Andam.
Very strange how they decided to turn a 17 year old black muslim into a 13 year old white boy.
I thought that kind of thing was frowned upon nowadays in the entertainment industry.
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Correct, what made them switch to a white kid is anyone's guess. I'm sure there was a reason.
FACT.
The writer said it was based on the real life events involving Hassan Sentamu and his victim Elianne Andam.
Very strange how they decided to turn a 17 year old black muslim into a 13 year old white boy.
I thought that kind of thing was frowned upon nowadays in the entertainment industry.
................................
Correct, what made them switch to a white kid is anyone's guess. I'm sure there was a reason.
its not based around a true crime more to do with incels than gang/knife crimes and all those on social media tweeting the Southport killer next to all their posts,this was filmed before Southport took place,
grahem wrote it,grahem played the father so if a black actor played his son,people would still be complaining
grahem wrote it,grahem played the father so if a black actor played his son,people would still be complaining
'The writer said it was based on the real life events involving Hassan Sentamu'
They switched it to a white kid, they will have had a reason for doing this.
They switched it to a white kid, they will have had a reason for doing this.
I watched the final two episodes. Still think it was average at best.
whenever everyone feels the need to jump on board a bandwagon for those oldies reminds me of TRAVIS
average band
below average concerts
but it was the done thing/conversation in the kitchen party to say you,d been to a TRAVIS concert and they were brilliant, THEY NEVER WERE,
average band
below average concerts
but it was the done thing/conversation in the kitchen party to say you,d been to a TRAVIS concert and they were brilliant, THEY NEVER WERE,
It is not based on a single case, this is a lie being spread by disingenuous individuals.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/maga-meltdown-over-netflix-hit-adolescence-main-character/
MAGA is trying to make hit Netflix series Adolescence a flashpoint for a conversation about immigration, when that’s not what the show’s creators intended.
The new limited drama series is about a young British boy accused of murdering a classmate. One of the writers, Jack Thorne, told BBC Radio 2 in the U.K. that the show is about “male anger, male rage.” The show has sparked a national conversation in the U.K. about male violence, and was even mentioned in British parliament.
Thorne wrote the four-parter alongside acclaimed actor Stephen Graham, who—in an interview with GQ —also said it is inspired by male on female violence, itself spearheaded by “radicalization online.” Graham added in that interview that self-described misogynist Andrew Tate had an impact on the storyline.
But both MAGA, and the British right wing aren’t buying it. Some in those circles are decrying the fact that the main character is played by a white actor and claiming that the production is based on the story of Hassan Sentamu, a Black man who last week was jailed for life for the murder of a 15-year-old girl when he was 17, in September 2023.
“This is how Netflix portrays a 13-year-old knife murderer in the UK. Second image is the person it was based on,” Irish “ Far-Right Ideologue ” Keith Woods—who has been retweeted by Elon Musk —wrote on X.
He shared an image of the main character Jamie Miller, played by white actor Owen Cooper, alongside an image of the aforementioned Sentamu, now 18, falsely claiming his killing of Elianne Andam was the sole inspiration for Adolescence .
The fact that Sentamu was born in Uganda is a bone of contention with the British far right. He moved to London when he was about 3 years old.
The Standard reported that the killer confessed to a friend “the real me is evil, dark and miserable” weeks before killing Elianne, who had been standing up for her friend in an argument over a stuffed toy when she was attacked.
Others tried to insinuate that choosing a white actor to play the main role in Adolescence is evidence of obfuscating a problem with violent crimes perpetrated by immigrants. “Race-switching a murderer in your show to change the topic from immigration to toxic masculinity is so deeply evil and dishonest I have trouble properly expressing my rage,” one critic, who appears to be American, wrote .
Patrick Christys, a presenter on ultra-conservative U.K. TV network GB News , said the show “unfairly demonizes white working-class boys.”
Darren Grimes, a right-wing cheerleader akin to Joey Mannarino in the U.S., said the show is “anti-male propaganda.”
He suggested the writers made “up fictional white villains.”
Grimes, too, said the show is inspired by Sentamu’s killing of his young victim. “In Netflix’s ‘reimagined’ universe, the attacker magically becomes white. It’s almost as if reality doesn’t fit neatly into their comfortable narrative. Radicalized white bloke? Now that’s box office gold for the avocado-toast classes,” he wrote on his website, caveating his message with an “obligatory disclaimer” that “violence against women is vile, evil, abhorrent—you name it."
Critics largely argue recent instances of knife crime in the U.K. have been perpetrated by men with immigrant backgrounds like Sentamu and Axel Rudakubana, the 18-year-old jailed for life for the killing of three young girls in Southport in July 2024.
One X critic even said the quiet bit out loud, writing : “This is how they brainwash us into believing white men are the problem, when in fact, it’s immigrants.”
This argument ignores white misogynistic killers like Kyle Clifford, who was just jailed for murdering three women in England in July last year.
Male on female domestic abuse has even been declared a national emergency in England and Wales. The argument also serves to dilute the actual message of the show: male violence, and the rising tide of misogynist influencers like Andrew Tate.
“We had to, in order to understand this problem, in order to look at male anger, male rage, we sort of had to understand our own anger and our own rage, and our own problems and our own cruelty, and the ways that we have been less than perfect,” co-writer Thorne said in the aforementioned BBC Radio interview.
He said that the series was loosely inspired by real events, but not by one in particular. “I read an article in the paper about a young boy who’d stabbed a young girl, and then a few months later on the news, there was a piece, and it was, again, it was a young boy who had stabbed a young girl, and they were opposite ends of the country,” he explained.
“When I watched the news article, it really hurt my heart, not just as a father and as a parent, but I kind of just wondered what was going on with society, where this kind of thing is something that’s happening quite regularly.”
Graham too referenced these stories, but differentiated them from classic gang-inspired knife crime and queried the source of the hatred to cause such attacks.
“For me, there was a spate up and down the country of young boys who had stabbed young girls... there’s something in our society that we need to address and look at. But for me, the other thing was, What’s really going on here now, when young boys are stabbing young girls to death?” he said.
Of Tate, Graham added that he wasn’t fully aware of the misogynist influencer before writing Adolescence but became horrified as the Instagram algorithm served Graham more and more from the former kickboxer charged with rape and human trafficking. “In today’s day and age, these phones are very dangerous. And these so-called influencers, I think there’s a huge responsibility there,” he said.
Graham added: “Jack came up with the whole incel stuff. I said, ‘Look, I know about the radicalization online, but I don’t get it, I don’t understand it.' And Jack did all his research for that.”
In a Netflix press pack he is quoted as saying: “One of our aims was to ask, ‘What is happening to our young men these days, and what are the pressures they face from their peers, from the internet and from social media?’”
Netflix confirmed to the Daily Beast that although Adolescence is inspired by the devastating knife crimes in the U.K., the series is fictional and is not based on a singular case.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/maga-meltdown-over-netflix-hit-adolescence-main-character/
MAGA is trying to make hit Netflix series Adolescence a flashpoint for a conversation about immigration, when that’s not what the show’s creators intended.
The new limited drama series is about a young British boy accused of murdering a classmate. One of the writers, Jack Thorne, told BBC Radio 2 in the U.K. that the show is about “male anger, male rage.” The show has sparked a national conversation in the U.K. about male violence, and was even mentioned in British parliament.
Thorne wrote the four-parter alongside acclaimed actor Stephen Graham, who—in an interview with GQ —also said it is inspired by male on female violence, itself spearheaded by “radicalization online.” Graham added in that interview that self-described misogynist Andrew Tate had an impact on the storyline.
But both MAGA, and the British right wing aren’t buying it. Some in those circles are decrying the fact that the main character is played by a white actor and claiming that the production is based on the story of Hassan Sentamu, a Black man who last week was jailed for life for the murder of a 15-year-old girl when he was 17, in September 2023.
“This is how Netflix portrays a 13-year-old knife murderer in the UK. Second image is the person it was based on,” Irish “ Far-Right Ideologue ” Keith Woods—who has been retweeted by Elon Musk —wrote on X.
He shared an image of the main character Jamie Miller, played by white actor Owen Cooper, alongside an image of the aforementioned Sentamu, now 18, falsely claiming his killing of Elianne Andam was the sole inspiration for Adolescence .
The fact that Sentamu was born in Uganda is a bone of contention with the British far right. He moved to London when he was about 3 years old.
The Standard reported that the killer confessed to a friend “the real me is evil, dark and miserable” weeks before killing Elianne, who had been standing up for her friend in an argument over a stuffed toy when she was attacked.
Others tried to insinuate that choosing a white actor to play the main role in Adolescence is evidence of obfuscating a problem with violent crimes perpetrated by immigrants. “Race-switching a murderer in your show to change the topic from immigration to toxic masculinity is so deeply evil and dishonest I have trouble properly expressing my rage,” one critic, who appears to be American, wrote .
Patrick Christys, a presenter on ultra-conservative U.K. TV network GB News , said the show “unfairly demonizes white working-class boys.”
Darren Grimes, a right-wing cheerleader akin to Joey Mannarino in the U.S., said the show is “anti-male propaganda.”
He suggested the writers made “up fictional white villains.”
Grimes, too, said the show is inspired by Sentamu’s killing of his young victim. “In Netflix’s ‘reimagined’ universe, the attacker magically becomes white. It’s almost as if reality doesn’t fit neatly into their comfortable narrative. Radicalized white bloke? Now that’s box office gold for the avocado-toast classes,” he wrote on his website, caveating his message with an “obligatory disclaimer” that “violence against women is vile, evil, abhorrent—you name it."
Critics largely argue recent instances of knife crime in the U.K. have been perpetrated by men with immigrant backgrounds like Sentamu and Axel Rudakubana, the 18-year-old jailed for life for the killing of three young girls in Southport in July 2024.
One X critic even said the quiet bit out loud, writing : “This is how they brainwash us into believing white men are the problem, when in fact, it’s immigrants.”
This argument ignores white misogynistic killers like Kyle Clifford, who was just jailed for murdering three women in England in July last year.
Male on female domestic abuse has even been declared a national emergency in England and Wales. The argument also serves to dilute the actual message of the show: male violence, and the rising tide of misogynist influencers like Andrew Tate.
“We had to, in order to understand this problem, in order to look at male anger, male rage, we sort of had to understand our own anger and our own rage, and our own problems and our own cruelty, and the ways that we have been less than perfect,” co-writer Thorne said in the aforementioned BBC Radio interview.
He said that the series was loosely inspired by real events, but not by one in particular. “I read an article in the paper about a young boy who’d stabbed a young girl, and then a few months later on the news, there was a piece, and it was, again, it was a young boy who had stabbed a young girl, and they were opposite ends of the country,” he explained.
“When I watched the news article, it really hurt my heart, not just as a father and as a parent, but I kind of just wondered what was going on with society, where this kind of thing is something that’s happening quite regularly.”
Graham too referenced these stories, but differentiated them from classic gang-inspired knife crime and queried the source of the hatred to cause such attacks.
“For me, there was a spate up and down the country of young boys who had stabbed young girls... there’s something in our society that we need to address and look at. But for me, the other thing was, What’s really going on here now, when young boys are stabbing young girls to death?” he said.
Of Tate, Graham added that he wasn’t fully aware of the misogynist influencer before writing Adolescence but became horrified as the Instagram algorithm served Graham more and more from the former kickboxer charged with rape and human trafficking. “In today’s day and age, these phones are very dangerous. And these so-called influencers, I think there’s a huge responsibility there,” he said.
Graham added: “Jack came up with the whole incel stuff. I said, ‘Look, I know about the radicalization online, but I don’t get it, I don’t understand it.' And Jack did all his research for that.”
In a Netflix press pack he is quoted as saying: “One of our aims was to ask, ‘What is happening to our young men these days, and what are the pressures they face from their peers, from the internet and from social media?’”
Netflix confirmed to the Daily Beast that although Adolescence is inspired by the devastating knife crimes in the U.K., the series is fictional and is not based on a singular case.
The truth of the matter is than most Youngsters suffering from Knife crime are not white ,the main cause is gang Culture not the internet .
As stated if they show this in school the kids will take the pish out of it ,Most will have probably seen it anyway
as for getting Kids off the internet , good luck with that
As stated if they show this in school the kids will take the pish out of it ,Most will have probably seen it anyway
as for getting Kids off the internet , good luck with that
It's hard to believe Elon has re-tweeted something that somebody has just completely made up?
Has this ever happened before?
Has this ever happened before?
looking forward to the usual suspects squeaming when Stephen grahem dresses up to play Penelope Keith in the remake of Kennedy,s assination
Apparently Stephen has suffered a lot of racist Abuse , I had no clue his father was Jamaican TBH
Am I the only one who didn't particularly enjoy it? I do love Stephen Graham but the whole thing dragged a bit for me. Probably too high brow for me.
Stephen Graham is such a great actor, regardless of his politics.
I wonder how he feels now though, on this theme of male violence towards females, when one of his little known roles was playing the unlikely lover of a transvestite called Tracey Tremarko, played by his friend Sean Bean, in an episode of the Accused series some years ago. In this, Graham's character brutally murders his wife after she discovers his affections for Bean's well acted 'Tracey'.
I wonder how he feels now though, on this theme of male violence towards females, when one of his little known roles was playing the unlikely lover of a transvestite called Tracey Tremarko, played by his friend Sean Bean, in an episode of the Accused series some years ago. In this, Graham's character brutally murders his wife after she discovers his affections for Bean's well acted 'Tracey'.
Definitely overhyped -it doesn't really explain how Jamie goes from wetting himself in episode 1 to screaming in the face of the psychologist in episode 3.
I could see the Americans remaking it and doing a better job of it.
I could see the Americans remaking it and doing a better job of it.
I did love it although i was a wee bit let down by the final epidode.....To many fake tears i wisney buyin it.
This Netflix series is absolutely brilliant. Filming,direction and acting all sublime. The best thing in years.So powerful and emotional.
Great show. To think though the main issues in society are young 13 year old males is bizarre. Classic deflection by authorities to say look over there when everything else is falling apart on their watch.
There are always significant difficulties in staging what is essentially a "real life" production. Whether it is stage or TV it is meant to be DRAMA. Clearly soaps are not drama and the closer any production is to a soap the less of a drama it is. Witness the TV dramas which were degenerated (deliberately) into soaps when they showed any significant mass appeal (Casualty, The Bill etc). "Adolesence" is nowhere near drama. It is no more than the lives of a few people connected with a sad event of a type which does happen. Not enough, simple as that. You need a strong story line not another scene of a boy talking to his parents. Try "Protection" instead.
Hated it....Much prefer'Married at first sight Australia'
Smoky Hill 24 Mar 25 07:24
Stephen Graham is such a great actor, regardless of his politics.
I wonder how he feels now though, on this theme of male violence towards females, when one of his little known roles was playing the unlikely lover of a transvestite called Tracey Tremarko, played by his friend Sean Bean, in an episode of the Accused series some years ago. In this, Graham's character brutally murders his wife after she discovers his affections for Bean's well acted 'Tracey'.
That Accused series was very good, liked the Chris Eccleston one best, there is a yank version on Paramount plus.
Stephen Graham is such a great actor, regardless of his politics.
I wonder how he feels now though, on this theme of male violence towards females, when one of his little known roles was playing the unlikely lover of a transvestite called Tracey Tremarko, played by his friend Sean Bean, in an episode of the Accused series some years ago. In this, Graham's character brutally murders his wife after she discovers his affections for Bean's well acted 'Tracey'.
That Accused series was very good, liked the Chris Eccleston one best, there is a yank version on Paramount plus.
Felt like a lot of the school scenes were almost done by the A level students. The third episode was very good but the rest is clearly over hyped by Guardian loving grandioso types who would tell you a cow pat was mesmeric if you told them it was a piece of abstract art that the world loved. Great acting as always from Stephen Graham.
Graham was excellent but not up to all the big ratings imo,some scenes way too long and I've never seen such a clean Police Station which was obviously a studio.
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