JP McManus

Should really name a prominent Festival race after him,
as a recognition for all he's done for NH racing.

They'll do it after he's gone, but I believe it would be nicer while he's still here.

They won't do it though

A TRUE gentleman and a credit to racing and the human race. Well done sir.

Corbetts RIP

Met him at Newbury one Fri afternoon, was just stood on the grandstand viewing steps, he stands next to me against a rail.

Was watching one of his run, heavens kitchen or devils kitchen or something.

Had a few words, photo with him.

Gentleman, all this just before a race he had a runner in. Also just in the regular grandstand not members or anything.

Agree, should have a race after him.

I would hate to get his training bills every month.

Wonder what his total horse racing bills add upto before any winning prize money deducted.

Kennedy,s a car crash

The sport would be lost without him.

When you can't afford to keep your parents in a decent care home remember this article:

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/jp-mcmanus-john-magnier-and-dermot-desmond-nursing-home-group-sees-profits-surge/a1854381879.html

I believe he’s been going there 50 years now. 
He started in 1975 when 1 of the days was cancelled and he played poker all day at a pub in Stratford on Avon!

Care for the elderly or lack of it is one of the biggest scandals of the century, hundreds and hundreds of old folk forced to sell their homes by the government just to line the pockets of these big corporations.

£2k a week to look after my Mother ( dementia ) if she chose to go into care. Luckily I had just retired when she was diagnosed and caring for her at her home.

Noone has to sell their home but they will get a charge put against it

Noone in the UK has to sell their home but they will get a charge put against it

nh racing would be poorer without jp

Good for you Glasgow. Had the pleasure of caring for my mother who moved in with us for the last 6 months of her life.Personally the most rewarding thing ive ever done or will do in life.

There is no doubt that a lot of trainers, big and small, have benefited from his patronage. In addition, when he is on course in Ireland he comes across as a man of the people strolling around and he has done wonderful work through his charitable foundation. However, from a punters viewpoint he is an absolute nightmare. Between Binocular's champion hurdle shenanigans, Noble Emperor in Limerick a number of years ago, Iroko in Cheltenham only this year and countless horses jig jogging around at the back of the field to get a very favourable handicap mark it is impossible for an ordinary punter to back the 'green and gold'with any confidence. I am backing horses for more than 50 years and one of my golden rules is not to back any of his horses.

Good on you, Glasgow and Geoff.

13 February 2013
"The real point here is that we have a scandal at the moment where, every year, 30-40,000 people are having to sell their houses to pay for care costs."

Jeremy Hunt, Secretary of State for Health, in an interview with the BBC, 10 February 2013

"I repeat no-one, again NO-ONE, can be forced to sell their home to pay for their care"

Paul Lewis, BBC Radio 4 presenter, on his blog, 16 July 2012

An Englishman's home is his castle, so the saying goes.

But, if our politicians and our media are to be believed, property owners are under threat, as councils "force" the elderly to sell their houses to pay for the care that they need in their old age.

Under the current system, anybody who needs to be cared for in a residential home and who has more than £23,250 in assets to their name is required to fund their own care. This means that many people end up selling their house in order to release a large sum of capital - a scenario that is often described as grossly unfair.

The Dilnot report into the future of social care funding produced a model that shows how people who need care risk seeing their assets depleted by up to 80%. (With a cap on care costs in place, an individual would find themselves less exposed financially.)

That was 12yrs ago, guessing things are a lot worse.

And yes I know A_T nobody is FORCED to do anything but in these cases their are no options.

Cheers Kenbo.

When JP McManus is having his horses distributed to trainers who is Top of The Totem Pole?

Is it Willie, Gordon, Nicky or someone else?  is there a pecking order?

Trainer choice always appears slightly random. Jonjo used to get a lot, but not sure if he trains any for JP now?

I would think with his good horses Cromwell is  number 1

kerryboy aint wrong. i dont go near them either and its frustrating when they win but still not worth the anguish when they are tailed when you are on

jp the biggest private charity in europe. he keeps lord nose how many trainers afloat. enda bolger and j o'neill just two and theres plenty more. not knocking him at all but he might be super-smart in the currency markets but when it comes to buying horses hes being very badly advised. frank berry stealing a living

he spends more than anyone and the return is lamentable. ricci, cheveley park and even the donnellys leave him standing. although cromwell might change things if he gets a few more

To be fair to Jonjo he gave JP a Gold Cup winner with syncronised and a Grand National winner too with Don't Push It.

Not sure what happened but doesn't seem to have has many there.

Mar 19, 2025 -- 8:38PM, mitolo wrote:

kerryboy aint wrong. i dont go near them either and its frustrating when they win but still not worth the anguish when they are tailed when you are onjp the biggest private charity in europe. he keeps lord nose how many trainers afloat. enda bolger and j o'neill just two and theres plenty more. not knocking him at all but he might be super-smart in the currency markets but when it comes to buying horses hes being very badly advised. frank berry stealing a livinghe spends more than anyone and the return is lamentable. ricci, cheveley park and even the donnellys leave him standing. although cromwell might change things if he gets a few more

He's got most of it back from the bookies. The trainers do what they're told. He tells them where and when the horses run, and when they dont win. He's far from a charity.

jp owns jackdaws hence why jonjo is there

has at least a dozen horses in there still

Jonnywho a plan that should have been successful at Cheltenham..

yes v close

Should the authorities be having serious questions with him regarding the source of his wealth? From humble beginnings to a fortune beyond anyone's wildest dreams and nobody actually knows how it actually happened. No questions ever asked, great for the sport, lovely fella etc etc

I'd be great for the sport and a lovely fella to boot, if I had that number of horses in training and wealth behind me.

Anyone ever worked out just how much he's paying in training fees every month?

Swept under racing's rug like any other awkward subject the sport has facing it.

Is it a crime to come from humble beginnings and become wealthy?

Stock market apparently

Mar 20, 2025 -- 4:47PM, mrcombustible wrote:

Is it a crime to come from humble beginnings and become wealthy?

You'll often find that getting that wealthy from humble beginnings is often as a result of crime.

It's right to be able to ask questions and be transparent surely?

Mr Abramovich the former owner of Chelsea. How did he get so rich so young? Is stealing from fellow ordinary (poor) Russians courtesy of Yeltsin and mad Putin a crime?

why wouldn't you google the man and gain some insight rather than just go straight to criminal?

Somerset Sam , yes this was questioned around the time he started .

How did he manage to access cheap state owned assets at well below market price, and in huge quantity? Is this not illegal and corrupt "stealing" assets belonging to ordinary Russians? His israeli and Portuguese citizenships were "bought" using his wealth and might.

this forum sometimes is beyond belief

Mar 20, 2025 -- 6:01PM, elise wrote:

this forum sometimes is beyond belief

Don't be getting your frilly knickers all twisted.

Foreign exchange trading? Ah well that explains it then,nothing to see here obviously. If Google says it, then it must be true.

Plonker.

TBF Somerset can you quantify which crime can turn into billions from humble beginnings other than commodities or currencies? Dealing in tarmacking drives or scrap metal would not not seem to fit the criteria you appear to apply to JP?

Mar 20, 2025 -- 8:15PM, CagliariG wrote:

TBF Somerset can you quantify which crime can turn into billions from humble beginnings other than commodities or currencies? Dealing in tarmacking drives or scrap metal would not not seem to fit the criteria you appear to apply to JP?

Criminal activities and organised crime knows no boundaries.

Ok so you feel you can accuse an individual without evidence but can't explain zilch to billions which even organised crime would struggle to attain?

JP has probably gone through the most stringent checks and balances throughout his life than most ever will.

'Cause where it all comes from is a mystery
It's like the changing of the seasons
And the tides of the sea
But here's the one that's driving me berserk:
Where did JayPee get his billions from?
La-la-la-la-la, la-la-la-la-la...

if jp is a giant crook i will start backing his horses

sambo seems resentful and envious. hes a nobody and anyone that isnt must be up to no good

i know little about jp but he absolutely did make a chunk trading on the currency markets. anyone could. its not an exclusive club, all are welcome

Perhaps he was gifted Swiss accounts or discovered stolen Nazi Gold or maybe got in at the ground level with Pablo Escobar? His philanthropy as a master criminal appears out of character for a crime boss though Somerset and tbh not many live to do what JP has without a battalion of security?

Or do they IYO?

boy georges unerring nose for a conspiracy starting to twitch

Does anyone know what it's like on here to have a deranged stalker following them around the forum?

Scrutinising your every post.

Yes, you should stop it George, no idea what I did to offend you tbh other than maybe agreeing with mitolo now and again?

personally never liked the way he operated, everyone saying punters pal, lovely chap etc etc, the way hes manipulated the hcap system etc is a disgrace to the ordinary punter, OK if your in on his coups, but most of us havent a clue

Explain how he manipulates the handicap system elisjohn?

CagliariG 20 Mar 25 20:22 
Yes, you should stop it George, no idea what I did to offend you tbh other than maybe agreeing with mitolo now and again?

It was all those premiership naps titles you won Glen, made me so jealous.

That I can understand George, not difficult tbf in the only compy where the competitors can win with 1/14 shots and a losing balance, as long as they stay there nothing else matters.

Had to laugh the other day when Imlac said 14 winners and 13 losers when most of the 14 winners were on a 1/14 winner.

He certainly knew what industry to buy into, £2k a week to look after vulnerable/elderly, min wage to the carers and if anything like most elderly only eat very small portions. Now x that by the amount of homes he and his cohorts have accrued and you literally have a licence to print.

Are you accusing him of something GC? Any evidence of wrongdoing or just the same as stating that I post on here daily which is either a lie or just a figment of your imagination?

Yes Moral wrongdoing, but nothing illegal obviously.

What about your claim of my posting every day, is it morally wrong to tell lies IYO?

The point being you called the Forum a " cesspit " .... I merely stated it seemed odd for someone who thinks that way to post so often.
 
Heading for an average of 6 posts a day for the past 3yrs on what you call a " cesspit "  !!

How does that compare with you then and don't forget including competitions for balance and imo it is a cesspit!!!???

MANLAGA - an easy winner on hurdles debut at Auteuil last week - will run in the colours of JP McManus and is to be trained by Nicky Henderson.

what were the stupid mistakes he said he made ? ( rp big read )  horse related or business ?

Mar 20, 2025 -- 8:29PM, CagliariG wrote:

Ok so you feel you can accuse an individual without evidence but can't explain zilch to billions which even organised crime would struggle to attain?JP has probably gone through the most stringent checks and balances throughout his life than most ever will.

I'm not accusing anybody, just asking a simple and perfectly valid question.

The folk easily upset on here ffs. JPs fanboys!!

Wouldn't worry SS
Hes an attention seeking stirrer
Only way he gets contact with people

You only got to look at what GC picked up on
He called the forum a cesspit but continues to post FFS
Muppet

Proof positive that excrement still floats in the cesspit of low intellect and IQ!!!

The snake has managed to crawl out from under his stone

I wondered how you managed that tbf madmutt, thought you were still on curfew!!

Mrs Tobymug must be back on the streets if you still posting

Case rested for you madmutt, would you like to repeat your disgusting words against the Cherchi family you made on the same thread?

Tbf drinking in the after time arms could be a contributory factor, no doubt you will supply proof of the Sevensees bet?

I will if you will btw?

21-Mar-25
20:34:11    20:30 Southwell
Sevensees - To Be Placed (3 TBP)
Betfair Bet ID 1:382321180687 | Placed: 21-Mar-25 20:29:51    Back    3.67

21-Mar-25
20:32:44    20:30 Southwell
Sevensees - Win
Betfair Bet ID 1:382319690616 | Placed: 21-Mar-25 20:20:20    Back    8.80

Undertimed

Have you never worked out how to include stakes on the template?

Bring up the Cherchi stuff and i'll tell you if it was me
Still looking for young eyetie boys ?

My stake is my business

Waiting on yours gobby

Have you been sanctioned for breaking your curfew madmutt or breaching the Courts orders of restricted internet access?  Gone quiet since the worst after time in real time claim?

CagliariG 21 Mar 25 21:29 
breaking your curfew madmutt or breaching the Courts orders of restricted internet access?

Evidence ? or windbag

Keep digging madmutt but check your aftertime thread first, my bet was was a measly £15 ew @ 7/1 bog with PP but paid out at SP, no worries for the photo when you reciprocate or agree to post a photo of the bet?

Welcher tobymug
Worst type

Plain as mud mine

So PP pay you out at SP
Billy no balls
Nice aftertime ffs

Correct madmutt , after timed after your lies. How much to you wish to wager for a charity that my genuine bet is real as opposed to your fantasy after time with a photo?

Brilliant to see him and his extended family on the winners podium - at any time, but so much more so at Cheltenham.  Can there be any better example of just how wholesome a sport like racing can be when generations of a family can ALL be involved in it.