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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/21/toulouse-france-legal-debate-scratchcard-jackpot
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Report impossible123 February 21, 2025 2:24 PM GMT
This could be tricky, nonetheless, I do not think the lottery company will pay out if the card used to buy it has been reported stolen even a deal has been brokered or agreed between the thief and owner of the credit card. I think good causes will benefit from this unintended good deed.
Report howard February 21, 2025 2:29 PM GMT
yeah I think the solicitor has got more on than he makes out.  Wouldn't want to meet these guys myself. Also if I offered them anything it would be a take it or leave it. No haggling.
Report Ramruma February 21, 2025 2:55 PM GMT
There was a similar case here in 2019 which did not end well for those involved.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-59654724

National Lottery scratch card fraud: Men jailed over £4m jackpot claim

wo men who bought a National Lottery scratch card using stolen debit card details and then tried to claim the £4m jackpot they revealed have been jailed.

Jon Watson, of Bolton, and Mark Goodram went to London to beg in 2019 and bought the winning card in Clapham.

They were found out when claiming the prize, as they revealed they did not have a bank account, despite using a debit card to buy the item.

Admitting fraud at Bolton Crown Court, they were both jailed for 18 months.

The court heard the men, aged 34 and 38, travelled from Bolton to London on 22 April 2019.

'Sense of injustice'

Denise Fitzpatrick, prosecuting, said the pair, who were both on licence following previous prison sentences, had the details of a debit card belonging to a man they did not know.

She said Goodram had the card number and expiry date written on his hand and used them to buy £90 of shopping at a Londis store on Clapham High Street and £71 of goods, including five scratch cards, at a Waitrose store on Clapham Common.

The court was told one card had a £10 prize, which was claimed in the Londis store, while another had the jackpot prize.

Watson telephoned the National Lottery line to tell them his friend had won, Ms Fitzpatrick said, before Goodram then told the operator he would be sharing the prize with his friend.

He was informed the payment would be made by bank transfer.

"Mark Goodram explained he did not have a bank account, [but] the purchase of the winning scratch card had been made by debit card from a bank account... which immediately raised suspicions," she said.

The court was also told Goodram, of no fixed address, and Watson, of Nuttall Avenue, Little Lever, spoke to the media when the prize was not paid out.

Sentencing them, Recorder Sarah Johnston said the pair, who had numerous previous convictions, had deprived the next customer to win a "life-changing sum of money" before having the "audacity to plead your sense of injustice in the national newspapers".

"You must have thought all of your Christmases had come at once," she said.

"Despite knowing you had fraudulently acquired that prize money, you tried to claim it.

"I have no doubt that both of you will continue to offend in dishonest ways in the future."
Report impossible123 February 21, 2025 3:06 PM GMT
I think no matter what some might think of the outcome I believe it was the correct one; a thief cannot and must not be seen to benefit from the crime. If the individual/s concerned had bought the winning ticket with cash they'd not be in this predicament.
Report swiftynifty February 21, 2025 3:08 PM GMT
true enough, just goes to show even for thieves cash is king.
Report impossible123 February 21, 2025 3:19 PM GMT
The thieves wanted something for nothing - a totally skewed and greedy mentality.
Report FOYLESWAR February 21, 2025 3:22 PM GMT
those 2 who got bird for the lottery ,must be absolutely gutted ...... potential  millionaires to doing porridge !what a turn around LaughLaugh
Report TameTheTiger February 21, 2025 3:24 PM GMT
lottery company should pay any winnings back to the account that bought the ticket. no need to produce the ticket, its all on computer
Report impossible123 February 21, 2025 3:25 PM GMT
I do not have any sympathy for them. They were career criminals. They were also greedy; they wanted something for nothing.
Report FOYLESWAR February 21, 2025 3:29 PM GMT
the y did get something for nothing ........18 months full board and en suite an all the porridge they can eat!
Report impossible123 February 21, 2025 3:38 PM GMT
Indeed. Room service and all their needs attended to; no bills for distraction either which is mega.
Report Rico-Dangleflaps February 21, 2025 3:50 PM GMT
She said Goodram had the card number and expiry date written on his hand and used them to buy £90 of shopping at a Londis store on Clapham High Street and £71 of goods, including five scratch cards, at a Waitrose store on Clapham Common.

how does this work like?
Report swiftynifty February 21, 2025 3:52 PM GMT
he stuck his hand in the card reading machine
Report Rico-Dangleflaps February 21, 2025 3:57 PM GMT
bought palm oil?
Report FOYLESWAR February 21, 2025 4:03 PM GMT
they nearly hit the bullseye ! the judge when sentencing shoulda said and here's what ya coulda won !
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