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Seeing Starmer humiliated would be anything but great for Brits imo, whether you like him or not he is representing Britain and British values. Donald has lost the plot lately not that I think he ever knew the plot.

Trump appears to have had an increased dose of megalomania since being re-elected.

Glasgo everyone has a opinion and I respect yours but saying starmer represents British values is very wide of the mark imo

Trump will be telling us what Starmer is very shortly

Trump, Musk and Farage continue to be surrounded by idiots these days and after suffering Johnson Truss and Co for the past 14 years.

Calling Zelensky a dictator is a bit rich, bit like calling Reeves an economist.

Do you hear the "Match Of The Day" theme tune.
When you hear starmer & reeves talk ?

Glasgo  has a opinion and I respect yours but saying starmer represents British values is very wide of theeveryone mark imo


He was democratically elected to run the Government, if he isnt representing Britain who is in your opinion. ?

Trump bending over and allowing Putin to insert a big steaming Ruskie length right up his aris will start to turn even Trump's loony fanatical followers against him.

Allowing Musk to stitch up the 911 first responders isn't too smart either.

If Starmer went over there and was seen to be trying at least to stand up to Trump , it would for me anyway IMO wipe out all the initial fcuk ups that he's made in one fell swoop, I wouldn't care what cost it ended up bringing.

Starmer looked good in army fatigues and flak jacket the other day,lead the charge dear leader.

Trump more likely to start a war than end one.

Rather than cheering Trump, and having a pop at Starmer, I would be very concerned about a world that has two leaders like Trump and Putin. There are also a few others bubbling under. 

It puts the rest of Europe in a very difficult/impossible position.

He's a pretty vile individual...

Musk appears to be a real life Blofeld

GLASGOWCALLING 20 Feb 25 15:28 
Seeing Starmer humiliated would be anything but great for Brits imo, whether you like him or not he is representing Britain and British values.

I think British values would include look after our elderly, many of whom might have worked all their working lives for relatively little reward.

When Starmer was the 'Opposition' leader, a Labour Party report estimated that to withdraw the winter fuel allowance could cost nearly 4,000 lives.

Once elected, Starmer withdrew the winter fuel allowance.

I don't think he gives a shat about British values.

As for him being elected, he got three million fewer votes than what Corbyn did in defeat, I think 34% of the vote, and this at a time when many I guess would have voted for the devil himself if it meant getting the Tories out, who seemed to be doing everything they could to ensure Starmer was elected.

And imo, if there had been an option on the ballot paper for:

[ ] NONE OF THE ABOVE

This would have been the winner.

All true George,

what's also true is, if there was a way to go at least someway to get some positivity toward him back in the bank it would surely be to see him trying to stand up to that monster across the pond.

All very true George, sadly as on most threads you frequent you have gone on a massive tangent and completely missed the opening posters point.

Starmer cannot go out in Public spends a lot of time abroad

only meetings in UK is with hand picked Public servants present , or in the House of Commons

Has become the most hated politician in uk history ,in 6 months

No Growth and infalation rocketing ,Tax Tax and More Tax  , incredible TBH

cannot be long odds they have a Look at betting tax

Like Trump or loathe him the man is at least doing what he said he would. Two-tier Kier the granny harmer Starmer is nothing but a fake!

GLASGOWCALLING 20 Feb 25 15:28
Seeing Starmer humiliated would be anything but great for Brits imo, whether you like him or not he is representing Britain and British values.

Starmer was once asked whether his loyalties lay with Westminster or Davos (ie the globalists' World Economic Forum). He had no hesitation in saying Davos.

https://x.com/PaulEmbery/status/1870070383283482802

As for Starmer having "values".

I've not seen much evidence of that myself.

The people who wrote the Nuremburg Code had values.

The Nuremberg Code consists of 10 principles that constitute basic legal and ethical rules for research with human subjects. The first principle, the consent principle, is unique among them. Not only is it placed first, but unlike the other 9, each of which is limited to a single sentence, the consent principle is followed by 2 detailed explanatory paragraphs:

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.

This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision.

Starmer wanted to mandate the experimental and potentially lethal covid potions for everyone. He evidently doesn't give a shat about the Nuremburg Code.

That's the beauty of a democracy George, you have the right to cast your vote elsewhere next time, I wonder how many Russians would love that Right.?

Thank god we live in a democracy, GC

https://x.com/bobscartoons/status/1819405523625648144/photo/1

I don't necessarily disagree with Trump on every issue regarding the Ukraine-Russia conflict, but it was a little silly to start spouting scenarios before the negotiations started, already weakening a hand that wasn't strong in the first place.

Whether, we like it or not, Putin brings more to the table than Ukraine, having made some (admittedly tortuously slow) gains.

But regardless of the current situation, Trump is a bona fide wrong'un, with numerous skeletons in his closet.

Trump seems to be just about the only meaningful leader in the free world to know what he is doing. Starmer hates the UK, as do practically all the left wing progressive liberals, including the delusional clowns who wont flush on this forum. Trump and Musk have already set America on course for a huge revival in fortunes by cutting billions in payments to woke policies that beggar belief. 100 Million dollars to Hamas for condoms as one small example of progressive nonsense. Go Trump, wish he was PM here. FWIW the UK is far beyond saving now, woke politics and hideous politicians since Thatcher have absolutely destroyed this once great nation and its only going to get worse and worse year on year as mass immigration ensure we spiral into evermore debt and social unrest.

Yes, Trump blurts out some completely stupid remarks here and there, but people need to see the bigger picture.

what trump says and what trump does are 2 different things- at least that's what im hoping.

100 Million dollars to Hamas for condoms - dear oh dear, this nonsense has been debunked. musk has admitted it is not true whilst trump continues to peddle the lie.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-repeats-debunked-claim-that-biden-earmarked-100-million-for-condoms-for-hamas/

US President Donald Trump again falsely claims that the previous administration of Joe Biden had allocated $100 million in condoms for Hamas.

Trump highlights the figure while going through what he says is the wasteful spending exposed by Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency during a speech at the FII PRIORITY Summit in Florida.

Last week, Musk admitted that the funds for contraceptives were not earmarked for Hamas and not earmarked for the Gaza Strip either, rather for a province in Mozambique.

Won't be going anywhere now. $100 million saved. Good job. Send it to Israel Donny

Latest US PB, just brilliant

.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByhfkV9HqgI

'I've never seen a person laid off for poor performance say that they were performing poorly'. Indeed

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Trump and Musk are making America great again, the fraud and nonsense they have already started to uncover beggars belief, while the UK continues its spiral into oblivion. MAGA.

I've just watched his speech again , incredible stuff.

Note to all other leaders , America ceases to be a cash cow , the honeymoon is over   

Basilbrush, you are an insult to intelligence but as a puppet with a hand up it's arse no surprise!!

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Wow set the cat amongst the pigeons has our Donald, starmer taking him on what a fool, Ukraine can never win the war imo and it should have been settled long ago but Biden/starmer and the rest kept dishing out billions to keep it going, those days are now over, starmer is going to get humiliated if he does not put us first, Donald holds all the cards and they have to do what he tells them so it’s going to interesting this next few weeks, it will be great to see starmer humiliated


garbage from knoball. because iyo ukraine cant win it should just stop and roll-over. it could have if given the means to defend itself, rather than handed over piecemeal after debate about upsetting putin. according to your logic if you cant win, give up. just as well others dont see it that way. without massive u.s. help adolf might have won. most thought we 'couldnt win'

a conspiracy theorist might think putin has something on trump. he caves in to him every time, but him only. everyone else can fro. weird, but so is trump

its not interestoi

Blame it on Covid mitolo, you know that is going to happen with multiple links to Peter Hitchins explaining why with Devon Loch thrown in as a freebie!!

Nobody here knows how the Ukraine scenario will end up. One thing is certain, it's not the USA's responsibility to defend their border, and it's not ours. Neither country can defend their own borders, ffs. Obviously NATO is a thing, that's why nations are in NATO. However it has been carried by the US for decades. As evidenced by the feeble melts in the EU who have no idea what to do. At least we're sending over our halfwit representative to sort things out next week.

The chickens coming home to roost idiom springs to mind.

Safe to say that whatever happens it will not end in favour of Ukraine and to say it does not concern the USA or UK to defend their borders is stupidity beyond description regardless of your politics or world view.

It's not what I wrote, if that's what you're implying. Mainland europe is powerful and rich. But they've chosen to abdicate defending their neighbours, and frankly themselves, relying on a country in another continent to bail them out. As people who read what I write on here, this 'war' has never been logical, when we collapsed our own economies by applying sanctions, I said it would hurt us more than Russia, and there is no end game. Well here we are three years later, huge death toll, huge capital toll, and no end game. Until Trump and his team are calling time on it. I will wait to see what happens to pass judgement (rather than what is said).

er.. no

its true the u.s has been a crutch europe has leaned on for decades. the red army never left after ww2 and the u.s prescence really cheesed off the ussr. putin hates it, which is a good reason to keep it. when he was satationed in east germany he raged against the feebleness of the red army and when it collapsed he was depressed. hes said it was the greatest calamity of the age. he hasnt got over it. hes now recreating it

we didnt collapse our economies and it certainly hasnt hurt us more than russia. its hurt russians, but they arent important to putin. many western businesses in russia were stolen by it and now exist under russian names. the cost to these businesses was huge, and theyve written it off

the huge death toll is putins fault. he made himself dictator for this. ukraine is ours he has said. no other president would do this because they dont have his messianic vision of holy mother russia. he has stated it plainly, but not since the invasion, for obvious reason

fact is putin is a brute and has captured the power of the state for his own ends

you can say so what, its a far away country and none of our business. but history shows that is a disaster long-term. accept this is a brutal war of conquest and then make up your mind whether it should be resisted. if there had been no assistance for ukraine putin would now be lording it in kiev, ukraine would be a russian province and wed have another 10 million refugees. and a nasty guerilla war

if he can engineer an isolationist policy from the u.s, via his mate trump, he will have succeeded beyond his dream. he knows trump only has one more term left(putin has as many as he lives for) to do it and will go all-out to detach the u.s from europe

'calling time on it' is effectively giving the nastiest dictator since stalin freedom to to do his evil. sweden and finland have seen this coming and are ramping up security like never before and so are poland and the baltic states. theyve all predicted this. the estonian pm said, in 2008 after he invaded georgia(what threat was that?)  ' we or ukraine will be next'

he wasnt wrong

basilbrush

Trump and Musk are making America great again, the fraud and nonsense they have already started to uncover beggars belief, while the UK continues its spiral into oblivion. MAGA.

Fraud and nonsense that you continue to believe and spout on here, despite the ridiculous claims from Trump  (fed by Musk) being debunked. The latest being raging immigrants armed with axes, being filmed  attacking a hospital in the UK.No doubt you believed that too.

Like I stated, we are in NATO. Pootin is not going to try and attack a NATO country.

It is comically laughable that people think Pootin has designs on the whole of europe, when he has taken tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of casualties in return for biting off a small part of Ukraine in over three years.

It's the same insanely dumb approach the west had to covid (and so called climate change!). Something bad is happening, so we must do something about it. Doesn't matter what that thing is, how much long term self harm and damage the 'remedy' will cause, whether it is effective or counter productive. As long as we are virtue signalling, that's the important bit, right?

If you think Ukraine's rich neighbours in central europe should plough resources into helping Ukraine defending itself forever, go for it.

I can't see any hope for GB in the near future, the calibre of our leading politicians over the last few years makes me glad I am in my 70's and on my way out. What a country we are leaving our children. I would score them Starmer 0/10 Rishi 0/10 Truss 0/10 Boris 0/10 May 0/10 Farage 0/10 Davey 0/10.

Well we all make mistakes and if people insist on 14 years of Tory government and vote for nonsense such as brexit then this is what you get for your efforts.

As Vance correctly identified, people in the west haven't got what they voted for. Until Trump 2.0.

It has resulted in the halfwit leader of this quarterwit cabinet for another 4 years ago.

Unfortunately many people were ignorant of the reality of what it meant to have a Labour government, well now they know. And the full damage that Rachel from accounts has caused has yet to fully materialise.

sparrow must have lived in an absolute sh*thole prior to Britain joining the European project in the 70s, at which point life became so much better with open borders and cultural enrichment.

It makes you wonder how the country ever survived prior to that joyful and momentous happening, which obviously accelerated immensely under Blair.

propaganda
/ˌprɒpəˈɡandə/
noun
1.
information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view

Propaganda is the dissemination of information—facts, arguments, rumours, half-truths, or lies—to influence public opinion.

Persuasive mass communication that filters and frames the issues of the day in a way that strongly favours particular interests; usually those of a government or corporation (compare agenda setting). Also, the intentional manipulation of public opinion through lies, half-truths, and the selective re-telling of history.

I see Ukraine (rabbit) as part of a portfolio of investment or a collection of animal husbandry against a wily fox (mad Putin); the rabbit is injured fighting with the wily fox. But, the rabbit is not an integral part of one's collection or objective eg chickens, cows, goats, sheep, etc, for profit. As such, the rabbit could be sacrificed (expense exceeds income), and more resource and expense on the security and welfare of the other husbandry.

I think this is how President Trump sees the Ukraine War; purely uneconomic and non-strategic. Also, he deems Europe esp France and Germany for abandoning Ukraine to mad Putin.

GEORGE.B 22 Feb 25 10:27 
sparrow must have lived in an absolute sh*thole prior to Britain joining the European project in the 70s, at which point life became so much better with open borders and cultural enrichment.





The 60s saw great advancement for the ordinary working people of this country spurred on by the enterprising baby boomer generation who wanted no part of the past inheritance from the 1930s up until then. A very different world with far more worthier values than those we have been faced with these past miserable years.

Cider 22 Feb 25 08:44 

It is comically laughable that people think Pootin has designs on the whole of europe, when he has taken tens of thousands (if not hundreds of thousands) of casualties in return for biting off a small part of Ukraine in over three years.

It's the same insanely dumb approach the west had to covid (and so called climate change!)

If you think Ukraine's rich neighbours in central europe should plough resources into helping Ukraine defending itself forever, go for i

nobody said he did. he wants ukraine, belarus and moldova, probably georgia. hes seen enough slip away into nato and had to act before there was none left for him to conquer

if you think climate change isnt happening you are in deial or a fool. the evidence is overwhelming

ukraine is a moral moral case and certainly not an economic one

The present UK is very different to the UK of old with most of the migrants non-economically positive or tax-paying despite in employment, mainly self-employment. Most of these migrants have tended to come from countries not known for its democracy or an established set of rule of law; corruption is rife; massive taxation fraud and evasion. As such, a limited-revenue contributor to The Exchequer.

if you think climate change isnt happening you are in deial or a fool. the evidence is overwhelming


The climate has always changed. Do I think it will stop changing if I power my car with electric instead of petrol? Er, no.

ukraine is a moral moral case and certainly not an economic one


exactly. virtue over reality.

in the fantasy world that Russian troops were pushed back, what makes you think Pootin wouldn't regroup and try again ?