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06 Feb 25 18:46
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A gambler is fighting Paddy Power, the betting giant, in court for the £1 million she claims she won with a single spin of an online slot machine.

Corrinne Durber, of Gloucestershire, was told she had won the “monster jackpot†of £1,097,132.71 while playing Paddy Power’s Alice in Wonderland-themed online slot game The Wild Hatter during the Covid pandemic in October 2020.

But the account of Mrs Durber, a gardener, was only credited with £20,265.14. When she complained, the gambling company said that an error had led to a mismatch between the “monster jackpot†result that was shown to her by an arrow on her screen and the result determined by the central computer server at Paddy Power’s headquarters.

The bookies went on to show Mrs Durbar a 45-page rulebook of terms and conditions, which they claimed justified their decision not to pay out her £1 million jackpot.

She is suing PPB Entertainment, the company that owns Paddy Power, at London’s High Court, arguing that the refusal to pay out breaks the game’s rules.

Wheel ‘only an entertainment feature’
The court heard that Mrs Durber’s win came on Oct 18 2020. Mark Baldock, her barrister, told Mr Justice Ritchie: “The rules here say what you see is what you get.â€

Philip Hinks, for Paddy Power, insisted that what is shown on the screen to a customer playing online slots is irrelevant “wallpaperâ€, with the only meaningful action being the hidden generation of a random number by the host company’s central computer.

“The wheel is only an entertainment feature,†he added. “It’s a bit more fun. It doesn’t determine anything.â€

The game is based around a five-by-four fruit machine style grid, in which players hope to match winning symbols.

It features an additional bonus “jackpot gameâ€, which can be triggered by matching three jackpot symbols – which is exactly what Mrs Durber did, her barrister told the judge.

He said: “According to the game rules, Mrs Durber then had to ‘spin the jackpot wheel to determine which of the offered jackpot tiers will be won’.

“This is what she did. The jackpot wheel, once spun, showed Mrs Durber that she had won the ‘monster jackpot’, ie £1,097,132.71. However, Mrs Durber’s account with the defendant was only credited with the considerably lesser sum of the ‘daily jackpot’: £20,265.14.

“Despite having played the game according to the game rules, what Mrs Durber had in fact won was the daily jackpot. That was the result by the random number generation as recorded on the records hosted on Paddy Power’s server.â€

The court was told Paddy Power is relying on the terms and conditions of their online games, which state that the customer “fully accepts and agrees that random number generator software will determine all outcomes of the game†and that the bookie “will not be liable†for payouts offered as a result of “systems or communication errorsâ€.

Asking for Paddy Power’s defence to be struck out and summary judgment granted for Mrs Durber, her barrister said that the terms and conditions “were not sufficiently brought to Mrs Durber’s attentionâ€, were “unenforceable†because they clash with Mrs Durber’s rights in relation to online purchases under the Consumer Rights Act 2015, and that they also clashed with Paddy Power’s own game rules for the Wild Hatter slot.

Company seeking to ‘avoid’ paying debt

Mr Baldock told the judge: “The terms and conditions are a 45-page document. It’s evidence of how murky these matters really are when you look at the 45 pages.â€

He argued that Paddy Power were in effect seeking to “avoid†Mrs Durber’s bet.

But Mr Hinks told the judge: “Everything is determined when the player clicks the button by the random number generator. Everything is wallpaper after that. The die is cast at the time the spin button is clicked.

“Online games like this one are games of chance. The outcome of every play is determined by random number generator software.

“On the date of the play, the game was the subject of a mapping error. The error affected the animations which were associated with the game and therefore the images with which Mrs Durber was presented when playing the game.â€

The judge reserved his decision on the strike out and summary judgment application after a day-long hearing until a later date.

Paddy Power is an Irish gambling company founded with 42 shops in Ireland in 1988. It opened its first shops across the UK in 2000.

The company merged with rival company Betfair in 2016. PPB Entertainment’s official headquarters is now in Malta.

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By:
luckyme
When: 06 Feb 25 18:48
e court was told Paddy Power is relying on the terms and conditions of their online games, which state that the customer “fully accepts and agrees that random number generator software will determine all outcomes of the game†and that the bookie “will not be liable†for payouts offered as a result of “systems or communication errorsâ€.


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By:
DonegalPrince
When: 06 Feb 25 19:06
I read this earlier today. Seems an extraordinary condition, if valid. So you are told via the screen that you have won £x then, as a result of the random allocator (which is hidden and cannot be questioned, you receive £x - lots. Rather like the palpable error rule but completely secret. Very odd indeed. They could just change it to less and nobody would know!
By:
hulk23
When: 06 Feb 25 19:12
Paudy up to no good again Cool

Are the numbers shown on the betfair exchange screen also irrelevant “wallpaperâ€, with the only meaningful action being the hidden (sometimes not, £108) generation of numbers by the host company’s central computer ??
By:
impossible123
When: 06 Feb 25 19:16
This is a big con by PaddyPower. Paddy Power despite informing the player she'd won the jackpot of  £1m+ then citing an error on their "part" ie a glitch on their electronic server, and the lady had not won the jackpot afterall. For a legitimate player to win a legitimate game operated and run by PaddyPower, and be told immediately she'd won the jackpot of £1m+ then only paid £20k+ is all too convenient, extremely unsporting and cruel for the lady.

Imagine this has happened in the National Lottery. Only a "crack-cocaine" online betting operator can sink this low to deny a genuine player winning a genuine jackpot will renege, and cite an "error" in the electronic server. What is nice? A coincidental outage (or glitch).a

I hope the lady also seek a mental distress compensation from PaddyPower post the adjudication of the sitting judge regardless.
By:
Regbutler
When: 06 Feb 25 19:26
Absolute disgrace
Hope she wins her case, but I would take 3s on the judgement goes paddy's way
By:
swiftynifty
When: 06 Feb 25 19:27
it's all in their T and Cs, enter our site at your own risk.
By:
hulk23
When: 06 Feb 25 19:27


what is shown on the screen to a customer playing online slots is irrelevant “wallpaperâ€, with the only meaningful action being the hidden generation of a random number by the host company’s central computer.
By:
handtorofe
When: 06 Feb 25 19:30
First question judge should ask is how many times this super duper jackpot has actually been won over what time just to make sure its not a fraud
By:
swiftynifty
When: 06 Feb 25 19:31
hulk, a conspiracy for you, in-house money showing in boxes has a bigger delay between being matchable and getting cancelled by said house, any view?
By:
impossible123
When: 06 Feb 25 19:33
Why does PaddyPower not insert a clause which says "PaddyPower reserves the right to withhold, alter or not pay the stated winning amount" subject to confirmation of our technical, operational and security departments.
By:
Eddie Batt
When: 06 Feb 25 19:41
Have their extensive rules ever benefitted the punter or is it just glorified welching.
By:
maleuk01.
When: 06 Feb 25 19:48
Cannot see Paddy power ever saying to a customer.

"You know that spin which paid out £10 was actually the mega jackpot, so here's your winnings £1m"

Laugh
By:
DonegalPrince
When: 06 Feb 25 19:56
Their Achilles Heel may be 45 pages of rules/conditions for a game in which is just a glorified lottery. If Lord Denning had been still on the Bench he'd have declared those "Unfair Contract Terms" and found against PP in half a day. Sadly, one senses that our judges these days are more concerned with trans rights, the "climate emergency" and illegals immigrants.
By:
impossible123
When: 06 Feb 25 19:57
Every bookie is a lying barsteward. I've 1st hand experience of it. Even IBAS deemed their market responsibility and monitoring as unprofessional, unfair, ineffective and bias.
By:
hulk23
When: 06 Feb 25 20:04
someone please ask Mrs Durber if she'd trust paudy to run a betting exchange ....
By:
mitolo
When: 06 Feb 25 20:15
an appalling vista
By:
screaming from beneaththewaves
When: 06 Feb 25 20:32
Philip Hinks, for Paddy Power, insisted that what is shown on the screen to a customer playing the Betfair Exchange is irrelevant “wallpaperâ€, with the only meaningful action being the hidden generation of a cross-matching stake by the host company’s bot.
By:
impossible123
When: 06 Feb 25 20:39
The brief of PaddyPower has given the game away there. This is clearly someone not familiar with this sector esp The Exchange.

The host company's bot! What a plonker!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 06 Feb 25 20:40
what is shown on the screen to a customer playing in running is irrelevant “wallpaperâ€, with the only meaningful action being the hidden generation of a random number by the host company’s central computer.
ie,when rico clicks £5 @1000 and there is money in every box from 50 upwards we shall endeavour to return 7p @ 350 5p @420 6p @550 3p @600 4p @800 2p @880 3p @900 and the remaining £4.70p @1000.
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hulk23
When: 06 Feb 25 20:43
By:
Cider
When: 06 Feb 25 20:50
Essentially it's true. All the games are, are a random amount generator between £0.00 up to £millions. People pay a quid or whatever, press go, and the generator produces an amount. Usually £0.00 or less than the stake, sometimes higher. Not many people would play that, tedious and boring, no near miss rushes. So every game has different moving 'wallpaper' to engage the player, cause chemical reactions in the brain. This is linked to the random code, generated each time the player presses the generator.

In this example, they have to prove the wallpaper didn't match the code. How many times does that happen? Why was it coincidentally when the moving wallpaper was the massive jackpot?

Even if they can prove it faulted, they have to demonstrate that it's reasonable not to pay out what the wallpaper indicated.
By:
swiftynifty
When: 06 Feb 25 20:57
Tomorrow Paddy Power will be calling on wallpaper expert Anna Glipter.
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 06 Feb 25 20:58
strange these glitches seem to appear when jackpots are won!
By:
hulk23
When: 06 Feb 25 21:15
as someone said earlier, the glitches never seem to benefit the punter.

sorry, there was a glitch and that 50p you won should've been a million quid.
By:
swiftynifty
When: 06 Feb 25 21:19
the funny thing with these occurences is 'if' someone genuinely wins the jackpot once in a blue moon, and then there's an apparent glitch, just pay up and reprogram so it doesn't pay again for another 10 years when the mugs have paid enough back in, the mugs will be none the wiser.
By:
Shrewd_dude
When: 06 Feb 25 21:19
Seems to go against the spirit of Irish Power paying out league leader several months in advance of them finishing to welch on this.

We are the cheeky chappies who pay out bets that haven't even won yet but not the big winners who have won.
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 06 Feb 25 21:33
was told she had won the “monster jackpot†of £1,097,132.71

Its Poddys problem if his Sofware is Wrong not the Punter , She has done nothing wrong
By:
Mat22
When: 06 Feb 25 21:51
Paddy P a w@nnker should pay out.

Yet these Scoom bags with all their terms n conditions will try and stiff ya of your winnings especially if u win big.

Voller la Verdette winning.... Betfair moved the goal post didn't pay out. Me or anyone else lays their massive bank roll by accident... no void comming. Betunfair no?

Gone is the traditional boomaker gentlemans agreeement pay out whatever the sum.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 06 Feb 25 21:52
lets see how the presiding judge sees it.
By:
hulk23
When: 06 Feb 25 22:42
pricing it up rico ?
By:
FELIX
When: 07 Feb 25 08:34
Wasn't there a similar case a few years ago where a guy got loads of repeat wins at Fred's for something like a million. The court ruled in his favour.
By:
Brian
When: 07 Feb 25 08:48
I'm surprised PP haven't settled out of court, the publicity is very poor.Even FOBT addicts will be considering whether to further PP's pockets.
By:
slickster
When: 07 Feb 25 09:13
Wonder why they gave her 20 large? Instead of a 5er. Obviously to try and shut her up. I mean who even wins 20k on these **** games. A vile mob run by incompetent greedy robbers. There was an 8 runner race last week. The betting from the course was 1-5 11-2 11-2 33 bar. Shown on rtv as well. In their shops their screens showed 1-5 10-3 4 40 bar. Surely this is against gambling regulations and needs serious investigation.
By:
MythWA
When: 07 Feb 25 09:19
I mentioned my experience with them recently how they bring up t/c. Had a free bet £100. Backed a non-runner. You lose sir t/c state A (one) free bet not 2. Says it all about this outfit.
By:
slickster
When: 07 Feb 25 09:23
And try explaining to anyone that I have yet to have the free bet as it was a non runner and you're met with a blank incompetent face. If I have 100 cash on a bet - that in itself would be some feat getting on - and its a non runner I get my ton back yeah. There is no difference to people who have a working brain.
By:
slickster
When: 07 Feb 25 09:25
Firm only looking for dawn of the living dead " customers". Only zombies need apply.
By:
aberdonia
When: 07 Feb 25 10:43
These are the problem gamblers that are threatening us all.   

middle aged women up all night playing slots on their ipad.
By:
DIE LINKE
When: 07 Feb 25 11:03
divent na aboot that, how much do you have to lose with PP to get a £100 free bet? Shocked
By:
MythWA
When: 07 Feb 25 12:15
To explain the free £100 bet.
It was in the Arkle at Cheltenham.
If my bet was second to the odds on fav I would have a free bet.
I had £100 win it was second.
Placed the £100 on another horse which was withdrawn.
Told me it was a loser as the t/c stated A (1) free bet not 2.
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