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By:
1st time poster
When: 08 Jan 25 21:16
don't treat me as though I,m stupid cider ,I've read ,seen listen to everything you have .heard it  discussed in works cabin for last 25 yrs ,my point is despite taking in every MSM source in that I've not heard a snippet of  MIDDLESBROUGH my town been mentioned even when a large Asian gang was prosecuted 40 mile up the Rd in n,castle, yet BAD ENOCH shot it there today at the dispatch box, that's not to say its not happening but I've never heard/read about it before, local Westminster  news reporters asked her spokesmen to clarify where it came from and they wont give an answer,she didn't throw out notts and Newark where jenrick was mp and  justice minister when notts were holding an inquiry
By:
Cider
When: 08 Jan 25 21:17
Tories are almost as bad as Labour. Yes they buried the inquiry for many years and it was already diluted into an apparent investigation into all types of child abuse. Just 10 days was spent on the Pakistani rape/paedo/grooming gangs. Oh, and the unlucky ones who eventually went to jail were allowed to stay in the country to haunt their victims.

The people who covered it up should be on the witness stand, and facing charges. Perhaps you might learn something from listening to Maggie Oliver's testimony.

And btw, myself and other posters are not johnny come latelys to this scandal, I've been raising it for years on here.
By:
1st time poster
When: 08 Jan 25 21:20
and despite been on here for 20 yrs and 5,000 posts less than you,you think I havnt been reading it
By:
Cider
When: 08 Jan 25 21:23
I'm treating you as doing what quite a few people do on this topic, play the what's to see here/whataboutery card.

Do you recall the cricket 'scandal' when some northern players were accused of using 'hurty' words to Muslim players decades ago. The politicians hauled people into Westminster within a couple of days to explain themselves. Some innocent people had their lives and careers ruined.
By:
1st time poster
When: 08 Jan 25 21:26
like some innocent Muslims in Barrow you mean ?
By:
Cider
When: 08 Jan 25 21:27
I doubt we'll see the same happening to the cps, health workers, social workers, police chiefs, councillors and MPs implicated in this cover up. I doubt we will hear the untrammelled testimony of the alleged victims, like the Muslim cricketers were given a couple of years ago.

Now why might that be ?
By:
Cider
When: 08 Jan 25 21:31
Racism in cricket

1. An article in Wisden in August 2020 saw Azeem Rafiq reveal that he had experienced racial discrimination during his time at Yorkshire County Cricket Club:

I’ve been in dressing rooms where things have been said, and, really, I should have stopped it. I had a captain who was openly racist. […] There’s one comment that stands out for me. And I remember it to this day. It was around the time of my debut. There was me, Adil Rashid, Ajmal Shahzad and Rana Naved-ul-Hasan. We’re walking onto the field and one player said: ‘There’s too many of you lot. We need to have a word about that’.1

That was followed by an article by ESPNcricinfo where Azeem Rafiq said that he had considered taking his own life:

“I want the authorities to wake up,” he says. “I want them to stop looking at the issue of race as a PR activity or a marketing activity. I want them to really engage and listen and change. Someone is going to be tipped over the edge if we’re not careful”.2

Yorkshire County Cricket Club announced an inquiry into these allegations.3 That inquiry took almost a year and a statement by the club on 19 September 2021 said:

There were many allegations made against the Club most of which relate to a period more than ten years ago. Many of the allegations were not upheld and for others there was insufficient evidence for the Panel to make a determination. It is right, however, to acknowledge from the outset that several of the allegations made by Azeem were upheld and that sadly, historically, Azeem was the victim of inappropriate behaviour. This is clearly unacceptable. We would like to express our profound apologies for this.4

We called on Yorkshire County Cricket Club to publish the report in full5 but were told that it was not possible due to issues of privacy and potential defamation and, instead, the club published a summary of the report.6

2. We were astonished when, on 28 October, the Club then announced:

The Club has also carried out their own internal investigation following the findings in the Report after which they are able to report that they have come to the conclusion that there is no conduct or action taken by any of its employees, players or Executives that warrants disciplinary action.7

It was inconceivable to us that, despite upholding claims of racial discrimination, the Club offered nothing more than heartfelt apologies. We concluded that there was no option but to invite Azeem Rafiq, Yorkshire County Cricket Club and the England and Wales Cricket Board to speak directly to us on 16 November.8 It was apparent that governance within the sport had failed in some fundamental manner.

3. We invited the Chair, the Chief Executive and the Director of Medical Services of Yorkshire County Cricket Club but, in the two weeks between the invitation and the session, the Chair, Roger Hutton, resigned and the Chief Executive, Martyn Moxon, was signed off for health reasons. While Roger Hutton agreed to attend despite his resignation, Yorkshire County Cricket Club were unable to offer anyone to speak to us. Events were also moving at a rapid pace. The England and Wales Cricket Board suspended Yorkshire’s ability to host international or major matches until it had “clearly demonstrated that it can meet the standards expected of an international venue, ECB member and First Class County”.9 It also instigated a review of the Club’s governance. There were numerous press reports of cricketers describing their experience of racism in cricket,10 apologising for their actions in this regard,11 or denying that they were part of the problem.12 Sponsors were also reported to have withdrawn support from Yorkshire County Cricket Club.13 At Yorkshire, Lord Patel had been appointed as the new Chair and had, in his first few days, settled the employment tribunal with Azeem Rafiq, established a whistleblowing hotline and begun making change at the Club.14

4. At our oral evidence session, we were convinced by Azeem Rafiq’s moving evidence of how he had been subject to racial discrimination and his conviction that this was not simply a personal issue but an endemic problem across the whole of cricket. We had concerns about the lack of coordinated action between Yorkshire County Cricket Club and the England and Wales Cricket Board.

5. The existence of the South Asian Action Plan shows that the game was aware of an issue and our evidence from both Azeem Rafiq and the Quaid E Azam Premier League indicates that anyone involved in cricket should have been aware of the underlying racism throughout the game. The language used in correspondence received by members of our Committee subsequent to the evidence session with Azeem Rafiq, and the manner in which stories were run in the press to discredit Azeem,15 further establish, to us, that eradicating racism from the game will be a long and difficult road. It does not matter if a whistle-blower is of perfect moral character but whether the issue raised is valid. It is evident to us that there is a deep-seated issue of racism in cricket. More pertinent, it is evident to Yorkshire County Cricket Club and the England and Wales Cricket Board that there is an issue of racism in cricket.

6. In the weeks after our evidence session, Yorkshire County Cricket Club announced an independent review of its governance16 and substantial change in its administrative and coaching staff17 and the ECB launched a new plan to address racism in cricket.18 We also had the Sports Minister, Nigel Huddlestone, indicate the Government’s determination to ensure the issue was managed. In a letter to us, he said:

… given the gravity of the allegations and concerns about the pervasiveness of discrimination in cricket more widely, the Government will be monitoring the ECB’s progress and leadership in this matter closely, and is prepared to take action where needed.

[…]

At the Committee hearing I was also asked about the potential for a new independent regulator for cricket. This would require careful consideration, and I believe that sports should be given every opportunity to run their own affairs wherever possible. However, if other actions do not result in meaningful change it remains an option that I will consider as part of a range of wider options around governance and regulation.19

7. We, like the Minister, are watching closely and fully intend to ensure that cricket cleans up its act. We recommend that the Government ensures that any future public funds for cricket are dependent on continuous, demonstrable progress in getting rid of racism in both the dressing rooms and on the stands. We recommend that the England and Wales Cricket Board develop a set of key indicators by which they might measure their progress and then report to us on those indicators every quarter. We will invite Yorkshire County Cricket Club and the ECB to give evidence on their progress early in 2022.
By:
1st time poster
When: 08 Jan 25 21:33
your talking to someone who lives in a town where the opposite happened kids were taking off them,parents,fathers called abusers ,biggest scandal in BORO for yrs, but everyone cheered those responsible for taking action,when most /if not all of it was wrong
By:
Cider
When: 08 Jan 25 21:38
Personally I don't care what the blob calls it. An inquiry, a commission, investigation, committee report, who cares. As above, they can do it at speed when the feel like it. However, what we have to see is all of the professionals involved that I outlined answer for their choices. We should get to hear what the victims have to say about their experiences.
By:
Cider
When: 08 Jan 25 21:39
That's if the survivors/victims want to disclose their accounts to the rest of the world. The 'professionals' don't get a choice.
By:
HappyHibby
When: 13 Jan 25 20:38
The Norfolk Narco Cartel tonight...
By:
HappyHibby
When: 13 Jan 25 21:01
new series coming soon...

Go Back To Where You Came From...

looks interesting.
By:
Cider
When: 13 Jan 25 23:15
Plod feeling sad for a drug pusher, addicted to tina, being on the sick from the nhs for a year. lol.
By:
HappyHibby
When: 14 Jan 25 07:55
the bloke put her straight tbh Cider...

silly stuff from the lassie cop there imv.
By:
geoff m
When: 14 Jan 25 08:33
Shes in the wrong job falling for the sob stories. Ok then mate we will let you off if you say they are not yours.I must admit they make you smile with the load of bow locks they try and wriggle off the hook with.
By:
impossible123
When: 14 Jan 25 11:02
Some individuals are easily managed and taken advantage of by others especially in very stressful situations eg ill-health; jobless; bereavement; etc. I can sympathise with the lady copper. The vulnerable "bloke" was not an evil or bad bloke, just the circumstances then eg family and financials managed him to make the wrong decision or choice.

Nevertheless, it was no excuse. It was correct to charge him with drug running.
By:
the old nanny ;-)
When: 14 Jan 25 11:27
Fella 10 Years  seemed a bit harsh to me , 5 years I doubt he would be getting involved Again



Gay nhs Man off on full pay , Dealing Coke and Meth Laugh No wonder no **** can get an appointment
By:
impossible123
When: 14 Jan 25 11:37
Did family bloke get 10 years? (I fell asleep before the end). If so, I think this is excessive too given his role.
By:
Cider
When: 14 Jan 25 13:59
Yep, 9 of them for being a complete idiot. Getting filmed with identifiable tats, grinding a huge drugs concealment in a public car park. Then taking the haul back to his home, and photographing it in an identifiable place. To cap it off, he never saw a penny for his troubles Cry

He'll be out in 4 of course, but in the context of other sentences, it seemed toppy as there's no evidence it was persistent behaviour. Unlike the NHS drug pusher.
By:
impossible123
When: 14 Jan 25 14:43
What did the Albanians get for weeding and supplying? Some even breaking out and escaping from a prison.
By:
chewy11
When: 14 Jan 25 15:38
The legalisation of all narcotics will eradicate 95% of these crimes, freeing up £££Millions spent on a never ending cycle whilst generatimg billions in tax & leaving the Rozzers time to concentrate on other crime.
By:
1st time poster
When: 14 Jan 25 15:42
the other crime and money will be spent cleaning up after the 10,s of 1000,s new junkies created by making it legal
By:
HappyHibby
When: 14 Jan 25 15:43
can i have a pint of milk...a loaf of bread...a bag of sugar...and 2g of TINA please ?
By:
chewy11
When: 14 Jan 25 15:48

Jan 14, 2025 -- 3:42PM, 1st time poster wrote:


the other crime and money will be spent cleaning up after the 10,s of 1000,s new junkies created by making it legal


Why would legalisation increase demand?

By:
chewy11
When: 14 Jan 25 15:50

Jan 14, 2025 -- 3:43PM, HappyHibby wrote:


can i have a pint of milk...a loaf of bread...a bag of sugar...and 2g of TINA please ?


Do you buy alcohol every time you go into a shop?

By:
HappyHibby
When: 14 Jan 25 16:07
i don't but some folk do...

and they end up sleeping in the gutter every night.
By:
impossible123
When: 14 Jan 25 16:15
This is a genuine question. Who is more of a burden to the state long term, fatties or drug addicts?
By:
Cider
When: 14 Jan 25 16:53
fat drug addicts, one presumes
By:
Cider
When: 14 Jan 25 16:55
only trumped by the lycra clad tdf wannabes
By:
CagliariG
When: 14 Jan 25 16:58
Not many obese people commit crime to support a habit or murder the opposition.
By:
impossible123
When: 14 Jan 25 17:12
The fatties over-indulging on junk and convenient food will cost UK Plc a huge fortune in the future, and possibly be the demise of our NHS. I think it's only a matter of time - possibly 10 years - there will be at least a 2-tier NHS, and probably a National Insurance (NI) contribution is compulsory prior to accessing/using the service. Also, the NI contribution could be based on one's health and way of life.

The NHS cannot be funded the way it is. It's a bottomless pit, used and abused by a few who pay scant regards to their way of life, and choices.
By:
Cider
When: 14 Jan 25 17:28
The NHS is obviously a deeply flawed model anyway.

Do you think the fat people you reference should get enough money from the taxpayer to live solely on the State ?
By:
Cider
When: 14 Jan 25 17:33
It's all linked, as the wets think we should allow entire families to be supported on the working taxpayer, giving them nothing to do apart from scroll on their iPhones and order deliveroo. Especially if they say they are depressed, anxious and need help to open their zipper.
By:
11kv
When: 14 Jan 25 17:33
Was ok until the borders opened to all the ill and diseased.
By:
elise
When: 14 Jan 25 17:34
we have a few fatties on here that like to moan about everything and anything, maybe it's their way of making themselves feel better and the betfair forum is the new nhs service for fat depression?
By:
Cider
When: 14 Jan 25 17:37
Pretty hard to get in and out of an Elise if you're fat. Garage queen ?
By:
Cider
When: 14 Jan 25 17:42
In all seriousness, I'm not personally depressed (or fat!). But it's certainly depressing what the establishment have done to this country over the last 25 years. It's only going to get worse whilst these current batch of freaks are in political leadership.
By:
elise
When: 14 Jan 25 17:43
elise was a cat cider and i can definitely say i never got in or out
By:
Cider
When: 14 Jan 25 17:48
Ha, I have experience of getting in and out of one (the sports care version). Not for the rotund !
By:
impossible123
When: 14 Jan 25 17:49
I see fatties twaddled in the streets, and I ask myself how did you let yourself get that way? They were munching fast food or snacks out of a packet soon after leaving the supermarket; the fatties were stuffing their shopping trolleys with convenient and processed foods. And, these are the people the state welfare is supporting, financing and looking after in the NHS.

A ridiculously and costly scenario for the state and most Joe public.
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