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Her new rating places her above the 162 achieved by the same connections' multiple Grade 1 winner Apple's Jade and even the 165 of dual Champion Hurdle winner Honeysuckle. Brighterdaysahead's rating has only been bettered by a mare over hurdles this century by Annie Power who was rated 170+ when winning the Aintree Hurdle by 18 lengths in 2016 on her final start after winning that year's Champion Hurdle.
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CH still 177
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So does that mean getting 7lb puts her within 3lb of CH ? If so WALOFS
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If Cons Hill is 177 what is Burdett Road…169 ?
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What is Lossiemouth rated please?
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we gotter be a member for more info
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Thanks EL11
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Not sure what point is being made. Brighterdaysahead was bound to get a high rating. Honeysuckle was a relatively ordinary Champion Hurdle winner. No surprise at all that Brighterdaysahead is rated higher. Could it be that Constitution's Hill is too high on the basis State Man's rating was always too high? The cupboard has been bare for several years in this division. The hope is we get a proper contest this season with all three showing up.
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Just listened to Eddie O'Leary he is not interested in going for The Champion Hurdle and he meant it.....This is the sort of **** we are dealing with.
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What's happened is that we've seen a couple races that, unusually for a few years have been run at a decent pace and it's turned everything on its head that has seen previous lofty ratings been given off the back of grade 1's run at crawls being now looking decidedly iffy.
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cons isnt a 177 from other day..but they aint gona drop it for winning.
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cons is OR 175.
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Lossiemouth drifting like barge in Mares. Patrick Mullins said earlier today they would be closer next time to CH ? Maybe decision confirmed
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they jussed tark sh1te..like half the forum.
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where did you hear Eddie O'L say that Acey? I have the mare at 11/4 for the Mare's race so I am on tenterhooks already :-)
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After the race he was interviewed and said Mares. Lossiemouth drifting in Mares race so looks like rematch between CH and her hopefully.
I’m on Brighterdays 10/1 -31/1 for Mares so even more tender hook than you |
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Not got a great record on this sort of thing Hibore. Hors la Loi (backed for Triumph) and Simonsig (backed for Supreme) being 2 of the more painful examples. I suspect we will have to wait until Sunday before at 11am before we know. Fingers crossed.
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On The Nick Luck Podcast Today Donny....I wanted to cry after listening to the sh1te this **** was spoutin.
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I shall worry about the future of the sport after it lines up for the Mares Acey! I am afraid selfishness rules on this issue for the moment. Sorry
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A lot of talk about ratings and yet has anybody actually bothered to look at any changes? The mare was raised from 155 to 163 ( 8lb ) but State Man was dropped only 1lb when 10lb + would have been a more accurate reflection of his run imo. So if you take the race at face value the handicapper appears to think as most would that State Man ran way below what should have been expected, born out by the outsider finishing in front of him .
The only conclusion is that there was something amiss with the horse which the handicapper seems to opine in only 1lb reduction, possible the mare may prove worth the rise but anyone using the new ratings as a guide to a future meeting with State Man needs help. Ditto quoting CH in comparison or even with Lossie whatever CH's new rating is tomorrow if dropped which is possible despite the probability of significant improvement. The ante post ticket holders should not count any chickens based on ratings or what race their bets will run in based purely on the rating as they stand even if Brighterdays connections believe them, she will still be well short of an A1 CH.imvho |
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I’m on Cons Hill in Champion. However, the 2 elephants in the room are Lossiemouth apparently running flat and 142 rated Burdett being so close. Much more likely BR ran to around 147, Lossiemouth was around 153 and CH was 163 or 164.
Pretty sure Henderson would much prefer BDH going Mares than take him on. |
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I doubt NH will have any mares over the mares lining up.
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"Pretty sure Henderson would much prefer BDH going Mares than take him on" PMSL If I owned CH I wouldn't care what was running. There's no Sea Pigeon or Night Nurse in the race and if there was he would beat them.
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"they jussed tark sh1te..like half the forum". Half ? Very generous Rico.
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Disappointed in Lydia Hislop in her latest broadcast " CH best since Istabraq " She's old enough to know better. You can go back as far as you like.
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howard 31 Dec 24 12:32
"they jussed tark sh1te..like half the forum". Half ? Very generous Rico. tung in cheek...93%. |
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Poor Burdett Road handicap now 150 from 142. Raised 8lb same amount as Brightdays (155 to 163) demolition at Leopardstown.
Lossiemouth 160 and Cons Hill 175 still. Sounds about right  |
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One question we might ask ourselves is just how a lot of these lofty ratings are reached in the first place, both State Man's and Lossiemouth's have been reached in races run at crawls, for anyone who thinks that State Man was below par ask yourself how he would have raced through the race, would he have kept tabs on the front two throughout would he and still been able to deploy that burst of speed or would he have been able to make up the ground from further back.
In the previous race BDA was able to withstand State Man's end of race effort through a race that wasn't run as brutal, here, knowing what State Man is they gave him no hiding place and just dragged his turn of foot out of him forcing him to go a pace from the get go or allow himself to get too far back, Townend didn't fancy the gallop so gambled that they went too quick. State Man will never be able to win a Grade 1 against top class rivals over 2 miles un at an end to end gallop, all his wins are dawdles against sub standard rivals. |
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Since State Man's win in the County where he beat First Steet and Colonel Mustard by a couple of lengths off level weights he has gone up 2 stone from a string of wins in weak grade 1's against horses that for the most part had no business being in grade 1 2 mile races and beat them in crawls where he was allowed to dawdle around and out pace them at the end. His lofty rating is more down to the default of token rises after a grade 1 win without really considering if it was justified...won the morgiana, oh well better bump him 4lbs...Irish Champion, there's another 3lbs, 2 years later he's rated 169 but really was never close to it.
A rating is supposed to reflect accurately a horses ability, imagine if State Man for the past 2 years existed in an era where he was forced to race in Grade 1's that were run at end to end gallops....169? |
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Agree duffy. Just looking at timeform greatest today I see Master Oats within one pound of Burrough Hill Lad.
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I think some of these mudlarks get high ratings because of beating good horses that don't stay on the ground
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Howard , unless i'm wearing rose coloured spectacles that 1lb proximity from timeform beggars belief , i'm open to change my opinion if someone can convince with a few examples to help explain
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What is the consensus that Cons Hill ran to after a year off. Burdett Road hasn’t magically improved another 8lb in my opinion. Let’s say he ran to 145 which is 10lb more than his Greatwood win - that seems possible now running from the front. Lossiemouth then ran (maybe below form) to 145/7 (7lb allowance not included) as well. That is a stone under her official weight and she is much better than that.
Therefore, unless you thought Cons Hill won with 2 stone in hand he ran to 157and that is being kind and I’m a Cons H backer. Hopefully he’ll come on 3-5lbs so early 160’s. I’m of the opinion he was 170+ before. Think he’s got enough in hand for Lossiemouth but Brighterdays would be a 50/50. I saw Ruby and Lydia thought Brighterdays would win. |
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I would suggest Burdett Road ran to higher mark of 135 in the Greatwood.
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I agree, (I backed him) but 10lb for that run and Kempton seems plausible.
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If BDA ran to the level the other day she would burn him off IMO, he was beginning to run on empty at the end of the Xmas hurdle, the perceived improvement that he may have is the imponderable but it might just as easy not be there, Henderson himself said that they had been hard on him which is something that wouldn't have been necessary if he was his usual 1/7 shot in the race against not much but here they needed to find something out about his wellbeing so had him ready to go.
My guess is that he was pretty straight for the race and Nico stating that he took a blow is probably more down to him hitting his level late on but as they're not used to experiencing that from him they put it down to needing the run or rustiness. |
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I might add … i am in the other half
howard 31 Dec 24 12:32 Joined: 09 Mar 03 | Topic/replies: 14,423 | Blogger: howard's blog "they jussed tark sh1te..like half the forum". Half ? Very generous Rico |