Matthew Lyod Slater

Big drift before the off too...smelly as ...

Worst ride and stinkiest i have witnessed in 40 yrs of racing...

28 days.

Stop jockeys looking at the the big screens....they are an abomination on tracks anyway.....the screens that is...

A ban wont hurt much as he has so few rides.

poor fella,, havn't seen any of his other rides so don't know if he has form of this, but what an unfortunate thing to happen to him.

Banning is such an utterly useless penalty for riders who barely ever have a ride anyway!

Cash fines would be a true penalty.

Hung drawn and quarterd ffs.

10th ride i have seen plenty worse from top Jockeys.

28 days .nothing for this boy

De_man Joined: 23 Dec 15
Replies: 267228 Oct 24 15:30

ban for life
Big drift before the off too...smelly as ..



you really are an offensive nobhead. life ban indeed. and if you are riding to lose thats the way to do it right? idiot

I don't think I have ever backed a horse that started as a fav and ridden by a jockey with no winners.

Mitolo accusing someone else of being an offensive , funniest thing I've read all day..the most offensive low life on forum accusing somebody else lol

Mitolo knows the score!

That doesn’t matter to De_moan, Sparrow. He just backs fav blind. If you inserted the 100/1 rag as the Evens fav he’d be backing it.

Young Matthew made a BIG mistake. Anybody that bet it are gutted, of course they are, but it happens and will happen again. To even suggest that the poor lad meant it is pure fantasy. Get over it and move on and give the guy a break.

Many top jockeys have done it over the years. I remember Willie Carson was clear at Chester and eased right up inside final furlong and got beat a short-head. Crowd were going nuts. Sir Lester and Pat Eddery and others have made the same mistake.

wrong again pansydora. stick to silly pop tunes childrens games and student politics

the op posts nasty rubbish about jocks

i aint offensive. im dismissive and sometimes abusive of conspiracy mugs and putin apologists, who deserve it. you wanchor

i really wish you'd stop sitting on the fence ...

Mitolo has the nail hit squarely on the head, pandora is as much an idiot as the OP!!

Just been having a look back at it, and interestingly when they were coming back from the pull-up area, it seemed that young Matthew was having words with George Wood, for whom it was a spare ride on the winner.

I wonder what he was saying?

Answers on a postcard...

Does anyone else think less jockeys would try to do this, if the penalties were cash fines instead of holidays....?

They place a lay bet at 101. Every race to cover it

Matthew would take a year ban before  a cash penalty

We all know what we're doing when backing a horse ridden by a young inexperienced rider. He made a mistake and doubt he'll ever make same mistake again. Wouldn't it be interesting to know what the people who want him banned for life etc, do or did for a living and the biggest mistakes they ever made.

How much would you fine them? A young apprentice riding twice a week might lose £1200 in riding fees for a 28 day ban. A more in demand jockey would lose £25k in fees. Whether it’s a fine or a ban the losses can mount up.

Just get rid to find other employment……

And who’s doing the ‘getting rid of’? They’re all self employed.

I am amazed that this happens with young riders who must be desperate to ride winners so why not ride hard until 10 yards past the post? Any trainer who encourages an inexperienced rider to "only win by a length" to reduce the handicap rise should suffer the same penalty as the rider.

Totally agree, Sageform.

Hopefully the lad will learn from that, work hard and put it behind him.

s.kenbo 28 Oct 24 19:27 
And who’s doing the ‘getting rid of’? They’re all self employed.

Establishment…..you have a job to look after the fodder

The body language was unusual. I suspect what happened was he caught a glimpse of himself miles clear on the screen and froze, briefly thinking to himself should he stop riding out as it was won. Was a small field poorish claimer run in a bog as well, so the handicapper wasn't exactly going to whack it if the horse was unclaimed. So didn't really need to worry about winning too far, lack of racing nouse. But I think the primary reason was catching a sight of himself, leading to confusion about how he should approach things up to the line.

,ets be fair you don't put a kid up as a trainer/connections if you think/or want him to win  cosily and put one over the handicapper,half these kids think it's a success staying on top,the lad at chelt the other day,thought jumping off on way to start was his get out of jail card

It's the culture, never win too far. And the system of course. To me anyway looked like he didn't know what to do, mixed messages to horse and game over.

GEORGE.B 28 Oct 24 18:45 
Just been having a look back at it, and interestingly when they were coming back from the pull-up area, it seemed that young Matthew was having words with George Wood, for whom it was a spare ride on the winner.

I wonder what he was saying?

Answers on a postcard...

matthew,you've just made a right knt of me there george.

Mitolo defending the indefencible... moronic as usual... s kenbo similar ..silly old knuts ... not a brain cell in their heads ... agree totally with you Pandora

It looks bad whatever way you look at it... racing has a bad rep for a reason
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Horse drifts just before the off..11/10 out to 7/4.. 9/5 .. winner backed early...big prices... 10 lengths clear... he looks at big screen and stops riding half a furlong out... in ground could never pick up in....

28 days gonna restore confidence in racing from a public viewpoint in an industry that wouldnt exist without the punting public... no... its a all wrong the Industry top to bottom imv..should be overhauled and system like Australia put in place where are severe consequences for such activities ..not saying this instance was a pink button operation as much easier to be slow out of gates as is the usual trick but if stewards and punitive measures were there to deter these incidents which anger the punting public would be less common..ie dropping hands and not riding out etc ..
The kid is a symptom of a broken system rotten from the top to bottom but no less annoying to watch ...a 6 month ban woulda worked better while not helping the poor punter least a detterance for the future ..
More sense being spoken re this on Rico s thread imv ... rather than morons like s k and miholo ..happy to argue as do so for a living but rather argue points with posters half a braincell.. tbh...
George ...it did look even worse the chat afterwards..cynical.might say said job done there..but i reckon he said ..what have i done there and will they pull me in for it lol ....

Agree with Cider...System the problem... dropping hands and not riding out need proper punitive measures...

Agree with Stu also...hit with monetary fines...not happen as much ...

Yeah Pandora ..Mitolo indeed the biggest low life on here..dead on...

Cagliari been showed up as a prig by Formace already...

Young Matthew made a BIG mistake. Anybody that bet it are gutted, of course they are, but it happens and will happen again. To even suggest that the poor lad meant it is pure fantasy. Get over it and move on and give the guy a break.

Many top jockeys have done it over the years. I remember Willie Carson was clear at Chester and eased right up inside final furlong and got beat a short-head. Crowd were going nuts. Sir Lester and Pat Eddery and others have made the same mistake.

Carson also did it at Lingfield, i think it was Lingfield, on an evens favourite near the end of his career.

The lad made a mistake....a stupid mistake mind and obviously a sickner if you backed the horse.

I bet there are still plenty doing it today too different levels. I don't think any amount of fines or bans will stop it, human nature is a strange thing.
Sympathy for those who lost out and to him, because he may only have got 28 days but he has had a right going over on social media. I hope he can get over it

40 days and 14lb rise for the horse would smartern jocks and connections un lively

No it wouldn't imo  and why would you punish the horse, what did it do wrong?

The horse will get a rise the same as if it won.

What have connections to do with it also?

connections will be ramming it down the jocks throat for 10 mins in the paddock to make sure they ride right out to the line instead of talking about the football, ladies hats,what happened down the boozer last night etc

Easing down is done to not win to far, basically for handicap purposes in 99% of cases. So, there is something in punishing over easing with raising more strictly in handicap mark.

The days of the handicapper being fooled by easing down, is long gone imho

There's a bloke on this thread who wants the boy hung and yet this bloke shagge d his best mates wife whilst his so called best mate was in hospital with sepsis. Some people.

If that's true dealer, why do they continue to do it - which also obv suggests that trainers add it to instructions?

If handicappers ignore the distance when eased down, then I'd suggest trainers and jocks would stop doing it.

But I don't think they ignore the winning distances when eased - hence why it's still supported by the trainers.

It's human nature,  I've never heard any trainer say don't win too far before a race. The handicapper will definitely not be fooled by an eased down winner

I don't think the trainers believe you on that.

Key point is jocks shouldn't even be looking at how far they are winning - only winning.

Totally agree it should be but that jockey yesterday didn't go out with a plan to ease his horse up with a furlong to go but he did. It has been happening for years and will happen again, imo no amount of fines or bans will stop it.

The problem is it's an 'implicit' part of riding over here - that could change, but only with a culture and rule change.

Willie Mullins has definitely given out about jockeys winning too far. In the Stoute interview on RTV I'm sure he gave out about Swinburn winning too far on one of his good ones.

Probably two handlers that know what they are doing.

After the race yes, before the race ?

Think the Stoute one was actually Shergar in the derby.

Not just about handicapper, it's in theory economy of effort, don't leave future races behind winning one race.

Well if he gave Swinburn a b0llocking for winning the derby too easily, one assumes it applies to all rides / races.

Only my opinion but I doubt there was ever a "bollocking" for winning a Derby the way he did.

Well we weren't there obviously, he's still a bit sour about it now though. The point is that the culture dictates don't win too far. How may times have you heard a pundit interviewing a jock after the race, and either the pundit or the jock says they won too far. As they know if it's a handicap it might not win another race for a couple of years.

dealer, about as random as it gets. I was listening to this on you tube in the background just now...

.https://youtu.be/KsqXpAEAYog?feature=shared&t=1249

Quite interesting actually, around 28 mins in they went into some depth about him winning 'too far'. Derham said Ruby Walsh texted him about it, and when he did a similar thing as a rider he got told never to it again by pumpkin. This is the culture in the game, and a system that promotes it. I don't think yesterday's was about that though, more like stage fright from a very inexperienced rider and unfortunate set of circumstances.

100% about yesterday, still not sure many would say dont win too far pre race but from what you say, it does look like that culture does exist. Madness imo but there you go, thanks for posting up

He told Alice don't do it again. He also said in his case, the horse won 30 lengths and never won another race. The system is the biggest culprit where good performance is punished and poor performance rewarded.

Agree Cider ...system all wrong..they should use the Australian system as a template imho... much better and less corruptible ..

What is bin bagged on about...who slept with who s wife lol...