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By:
differentdrum
When: 19 Oct 24 17:06
Rounded off nicely with Mr Professor 33/1-8/1 then noticeably weak out to 14/1. Like James's Delight earlier in the day (also a similar market drifter) should have loved the ground, but runs like a carthorse. If horses who on all known evidence should like the ground run like that what chance have you got?
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1st time poster
When: 19 Oct 24 17:07
Crowley on ruk talking about horse getting beat in France in opera had half a dozen excuses but missed out the main one his trainer mentioned on itv earlier
NOT THE JOCKS GREATEST HOUR LaughLaugh
By:
sageform
When: 19 Oct 24 17:11
I could not back a horse trained by Raphael Freire how ever much the formbook said it had a chance.
By:
Hayden
When: 19 Oct 24 17:19
Foyles

Hope you haven't been too distracted to miss that Aidan 3rd string debutant at 49.5    Happy
By:
thelatarps
When: 19 Oct 24 17:21
Whole card needs downgrading to G2 status imvho.
The prize money is mind boggling and ought to be put elsewhere.

The idea of this mega 'champions days' in flat racing presumably caught on with the success of the Dubai World Cup, Breeders Cup and the enlargement of the cheltenham festival.
I remember when it all came about in 2011. It was back in the days when the Irish racing was on ATR. I recall one of their discussion programs led by Gary O'Brien. Think Johnny Murtagh was on it. Anyway everyone was having a great laugh about the fact that Horse Racing Ireland had announced their 'Champions day' for mid september, which was always the date for the Irish Champion Stakes.

The word was that the British Horse Racing Authority had dithered, letting the Irish get first run as it were. The BHA had been stymied by the date of the Leger in mid september. Late September would have meant the supposed 'show piece' Champion Stakes would have been a week before the Arc. Which would probably mean a small field of G2 horses at best. Any earlier would have meant a clash with the York International.

The old Newmarket Champion stakes was run on Cesarewitch day I believe. A week earlier than it is now. And in the east of the country, so far less susceptible to the vagaries of bad ground which seems to be the norm for this meet.

I also am reminded of Pricewise Tom Segal confidently predicting that ten years on the Ascot Champions Stakes would be bigger than the Arc.
Dont think so.
Nick Mordin on the other hand bemoaned this trend of lumping together as many G1 races as possible. He pointed to the Japanese model which liked to have one big race as the highlight, spread over many weekends.
Given that the Land of The Rising Sun arguably produces the best turf horse in the world at the moment and stands at least as good a chance as Coolmore of capturing the Breeders CUp in a couple of week, I think I know which I prefer.
By:
1st time poster
When: 19 Oct 24 17:26
was this the ASCOT card that used to show all the races on BBC and finished with a mile 4 handicap usually run on heavy ground,seemed to remember QUICK RANSOM winning it for Johnson one yr ?
By:
elisjohn
When: 19 Oct 24 17:28
im certain the qe11 was group2 in the 80s , royal ascot itself had only the gold cup as group1 , goodwood didnt have any in the 70s 80s  theres far too much now
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 19 Oct 24 17:32
Yes Sure Blade won it as Group 2 that was the year before Milligram, Miesque and Sonic Lady
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elisjohn
When: 19 Oct 24 17:34
quick ransom won 26th  sept 1992 12 furlongs won by a head in soft ridden by D McKEOWN  BEATING LIFT AND LOAD , it would have been the qe11 meeting
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1st time poster
When: 19 Oct 24 17:35
cheers, easy to remember one of  your last 20 winners LaughLaugh
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elisjohn
When: 19 Oct 24 17:36
ps 14/1
By:
1st time poster
When: 19 Oct 24 17:38
I've never been a backer myself and winning is winning
but having seen economics  last 3 runs rather than been a champion for 90% of each of his last 3 races he,s looked like losing them
bled again as well
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 19 Oct 24 18:48

Oct 19, 2024 -- 5:34PM, elisjohn wrote:


quick ransom won 26th

By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 19 Oct 24 18:51
That's right. There were a lot of anxious City types in the crowd because Black Wednesday had just happened. Racing attracted more businesspeople than students back then.
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