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Sorry, should have looked at politics first where there is already a thread, apologies.
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I can't think of any other government or prime minister who has started off so badly..
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lead on has already forgotten Liz Truss.
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Starmer loves an Alli-hosted sausage party
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Greed and Power, the symbol of the present Labour Party administration. Soon it could be "Sponsor on MP". To sponsor the PM = £100k; Chancellor £75k; DPM = £50; DS = £40k. Others on request/negotiation.
Self-interests for these above-average income earners and Labour political scums. They are abhorrent, and out-of-touch with ordinary UK citizens esp the grass root Labour Party supporters and activists. This is something no Labour Party supporter could have envisaged. Mr John Smith and Mr James Callaghan will turn-in-their grave because of this abhorrent behaviour from the senior governing Labour Party ministers. Shame! Shame! Shame! I'd like these political scums to resign. |
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if sur keer goes the substitute not looking promising tbf
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The next Tory leader is on £75k already so not a great start , they'll need 20yrs to catch Boris & Co up though
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It may be so, and I can accept that. On the flipside, I and some others, will be tempted to ask Sir Shameless and Lady Shameless in public, if presented with the opportunity, which bit of their attire is sponsored or paid for by a Labour donor? These Labour Party political scums cannot and must not exist let alone leading the Labour Party regardless.Anyway, Sir Shameless was parachuted into the Labour Party for a senior post - his political experience was minimalist. Now, Sir Shameless is returning the favour by promoting a sibling of Sue Gray into a strategic and important post; nepotism before experience and hard graft; cancer breeding cancer!
It's wholly against the ethics and ethos of the Labour Party. It's utter scandalous and repugnant senior members of the Labour Party have been enriching their own nests citing the freebies were declared and allowed, but nothing about decency, respectability, perceptions and public duties/figures. These political scums can afford to pay for the personal freebies! |
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you might want to pace yourself until 2029
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Who could forget Ms Duffield getting up to ask a question in the house and being booed by her own side whilst being cheered by the party opposite? Her crime being knowing what a woman is (and isn't).
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Rosie Duffield appears to be a very sensible woman.
Starmer's problem is not so much corruption as such as that his political antenna is poor. He is essentially a technocrat with no real ideological base. |
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The public knew Bojo was a buffoon; he was repeatedly sacked from his jobs. He's never tried to convince the voting public he was squeaky clean; he was a clown alright.
In contrast, the boring, charisma-less Sir Shameless preached accountability and respectability in public life and executing public duties. But, within six months Sir Shameless has been proven the "sh1test" of the lot - a lowlife indulging in personal enrichments; his subordinates followed suit in earnest as a result. The can of worms in the senior Labour Party is beyond reparation, and should be binned or ostracised as their self-interest and behaviour are totally against the principles of what the Labour Party was founded on. These self-ingratiating, nepotic and outrageous behaviour of these senior Labour Party ministers should be history. I for one cannot vote for any of them or the Labour Party even if the Conservatives are at basement level. |
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Johnson could have been a great PM. His instincts were right about covid, but he had weaknesses of his own and it brought about his rapid downfall. He's like a Gazza, Best or Higgins, talented enough not to have to try hard. But when he won the election landslide, he needed to actually try hard and did the opposite.
Starmer will never be a great leader, or even a competent one, and should never have been near it. |
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The Labour Party suffered all the ignominies of a 3rd world country eg a hiding from the Tories; an ultra-clueless socialist leader in Mr Corbyn; mostly incompetent Labour MPs; not trusted by UK voters; laughed-at in the world esp the EU.
Then a parachute appeared in the shape of Sir Shameless from the CPS. A boring but respected even though politically clueless; his legal qualities exceeded and camouflaged his inadequacies as a politician and leader. As a result UK plc and its image are suffering. A leader that should never have been. The face fits, but void of ability and acumen for the job. |
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This thread reminds me of a Night Nurse vs Constitution Hill thread in that it'll go on forever and not one person will think any differently than when it all began.
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It's refreshing to have an MP (Duffield) standing by her principles rather than blindly going along
with her party. Let's hope more of them have the moral backbone to do the same! |
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Hardly anyone easily changes their mind Hayden. Well, anyone that is bar Keir Starmer!
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Starmer fortunate that the news is dominated by the Middle East.
Another time and this would be the lead story. |
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Starmer is not into women
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& a massively sympathetic broadcast media
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The wikipedia account of Baron Alli of Norbury's connections and contributions to the Labour
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Cider29 Sep 24 12:03Joined: 29 Aug 02 | Topic/replies: 59,053 | Blogger: Cider's blog
Johnson could have been a great PM. If you asked him heads or tails? - he'd want to use his 50/50 and probably then also ask the audience. |
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Norbury, which Norbury? Not the one in proximity of Thornton Heath or Croydon surely. If so, the pace is severely lacking taste and judgement, in my opinion.
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Mavis from Coronation Street was more decisive.
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You chopped my quote and left off the part that stated he had weaknesses of his own. Indecision was not one of them, but being swayed by different people was. Covid cost him Cummings, and he needed a central adviser like Cummings to keep him on track. Whatever you think of his politics, but with Cummings he took the party and the country from no majority and Brexit purgatory to a landslide majority. Nobody else alive in the UK could have done that apart from NF. And yep, completely blew it.
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You will now see actual Labour MPs leaving the party and standing up for what they believe in. Those who want to put our Country first and not what they can get out of a Political career for themselves....that'll be just the one then!
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I'm a Labour supporter, but I'd not vote for Mr Corbyn. Now, no vote for Sir Shameless and his greedy senior cabinet members either. My loss or the Labour Party gain?
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Johnson won a landslide off the back of Brexit and Corbyn. For some strange reason people viewed hin as some sort lovable buffoon when in reality he was a total shambles. Starmer got his landslide off the back of Johnson and what followed.
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The reality is we live in a 2 party state and the standard of politicians is at all time low. In a 2 party system, to win an election all you have to do is be slightly less sleazy, corrupt and incompetent than the opposition.
It takes a special amount of sleaziness, corruption and incompetence to lose a massive majority and your reputation that quickly as Boris did though. Sorry for chopping your quote cider - but I'd maintain he is about as decisive as Mavis. Let's be honest, he didn't/couldn't decide if he was a Brexiteer or a Remainer until the night before - and even them it was solely based on what might work out best for his own ambitions. |
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Sir Shameless won a sizeable majority without increasing the vote percentage for Labour. It was all tactical voting; Reform got the same percentage vote at the Liberals yet trailed them by 61 MPs (I think).
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dd the period where he took over the party and country in crisis to the landslide was outstanding politics. but we all know it went wrong from there. whether that was covid alone, or coincidental we'll never know. covid finished off nearly all politicians eventually.
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That the point tm, between winning the party leadership and the massive majority there was zero indecision. quite the opposite, single minded and driven. he came across as indecisive after booting Cummings for sure. that's why in my view the weakness is not indecision, but vulnerable to being pushed around by different people.
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including his missus.
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Must admit i felt sorry for Dilyn , the way they prioritized Iran and quarantine decisions over its welfare was a disgrace
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salmon spray Joined: 10 Jan 07
Replies: 5566529 Sep 24 11:49 He is essentially a technocrat with no real ideological base specious tripe from fishface, as usual. fatcher was an ideologue, like corbyn. what is required is a pragmatist |
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Imp. Yes that is the Norbury he's from.
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mitolo29 Sep 24 13:47Joined: 13 Apr 21 | Topic/replies: 5,106 | Blogger: mitolo's blog
what is required is a pragmatist Even on his third bottle, mitolo speaks sense. Preferably an honest & competent pragmatist (imo). Sadly, party politics doesn't really permit pragmatism - all slaves to an ideology. |
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Guy is terrible. But foreign policy worse. We would be firing missiles toward Moscow if he had his way.
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