There could be a few scattered around the Uk I’m not aware of tbh…..covered a few….

the spaniels confirmed she died in the apartment.

Absolute bollocks- Didn't MI6 tell you that sniffer dogs are far to unreliable.

the general concensus is she died earkier in the week.

How do you square that with the fact that she was able to go swimming
and to a kids club on the day of her disapperance.

World authority??? You don't even have a clue about the basics.

rico making himself look an absolute ****

The photos, or rather lack of them, is interesting

There was at least one authentic one, presumed to be taken early into the holiday as she was wearing the clothes she had on when arriving at the airport that can be seen on the cctv footage.

But seemingly not much else...The tennis balls one, bereft of other people in it, holding full size tennis balls when apparently they had the soft spongey ones available for the kids, and a ? contrived story of how the picture came to be taken.

There was then a pic that surfaced sometime later of her being all dressed up and wearing make up, and seemingly at the age she was when she disappeared.

Richard D Hall argued in his independent documentary that the photographic evidence (or lack of it) pointed to her being allegedly dead by the Sunday. She wasn't reported missing until the ? following Thursday.

That's exactly what you're supposed to think, s.kenbo.

So you have choice now s.kenbo, you can continue to have your thought processes controlled by the internet algorithms, or you can do what I did a few years back and watch his documentary on the case, and I have to say for a one man band it was an impressive and very watchable piece of work.

And one of things he demonstrates through actual footage and news from the time, is right from the outset the involvement in the case of high level British politics, which he compares to another case from the time of a British toddler going missing on the continent, which got virtually no involvement from the British government / press.

Cadaver dogs

George if you believe Hall saying Maddie had been dead since Sunday and not reported missing for 5 days where was her body kept? Trust me the smell of a decomposing body is not something that can be disguised or hidden or forgotten.

The difference is we use common sense and experience shafter, you have neither, as big a doughnut as the Hall character!! HTH

CagliariG 21 Sep 24 09:32 
George if you believe Hall saying Maddie had been dead since Sunday and not reported missing for 5 days where was her body kept? Trust me the smell of a decomposing body is not something that can be disguised or hidden or forgotten.


https://www.9news.com.au/world/madeleine-mccann-smell-open-car-boot-amaral-maddie-podcast/1691f544-6061-47b6-a2c2-10f2a1ea1202#:~:text=%22Nobody%20denied%20that%20the%20car,transported%20in%20the%20car%20boot.%22

maybe if you done some homework tobymugsgaryliar instead of just posting absolute and utter sh1te on a daily basis.

Insideshrewdie 21 Sep 24 09:11 
the spaniels confirmed she died in the apartment.


THE DOGS WERE NOT POLICE DOGS
INDEPENDENTLY OWNED ...AND LATER WERE DISCOVERED THAT THEY WERE AKIN TO PERFORMING SEALS..DANCING TO THE TUNE OF THEIR WONER...SO THAT EVIDENCE IS COMPLETELY DISCREDITED

more absolute nonsense from a forum clown.


Martin Grime
UK NPIA Registered Subject Matter Expert
FBI Forensic Canine Program Specialist Adviser


OPERATION TASK


Personal profile


I am an U.K.A.C.P.O. accredited police dog training instructor in post at the Operational Support Services. I am a Subject Matter Expert registered with N.C.P.E. and specialist homicide canine search advisor. In support of the national Homicide Search Advisor, Mark Harrison, I advise Domestic and International Law enforcement agencies on the operational deployment of Police Dogs in the role of Homicide investigation. I develop methods of detecting forensically recoverable evidence by the use of dogs and facilitate training.

I am a Special Advisor to The U.S. Department of Justice, Federal Bureau of Investigation, in relation to their Canine Forensic Program.

I am regularly deployed to assist in high profile homicide cases within my portfolio and form a 'Specialist Canine Homicide Search Team' including the S.A.M dog teams from Dyfed Powys.

My core role includes the training and operational handling of specialist search dogs in the fields of Human Victim Recovery and Forensic Crime Scene Investigation.

I have trained and handle two operational specialist search dogs. 'Eddie' is a 7-year old English Springer spaniel dog. 'Keela' is a three-year old English Springer spaniel pregnant dog. I also have a six-month old English Springer spaniel dog, puppy, in training, 'Morse' .



Search Asset Profile

'Eddie' The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.RD.) will search for and locate human remains and body fluids including blood to very small samples in any environment or terrain. The initial training of the asset is conducted using pig as the subject matter for solid hides and human blood for fluid. The use of human remains for the purpose of training dogs in the U.K. is not acceptable at this point in time.

The dog has however considerable experience in operational recovery of human remains and evidential forensic material and has trained exclusively using human remains in the U.S.A. in association with the F.B.I. The enhanced training of the dog involves the use of collection of 'Dead body scent' odour from corpses using remote technical equipment which does not contact.

The E.V.R.D. will locate cadaver, whether in the whole or parts thereof; deposited surface or sub-surface to a depth of approximately 3-4 feet shortly after death to the advanced stages of deposition and putrefaction through to skeletal. This includes incinerated remains even if large quantities of accelerant have been involved.

The dog will locate human cadaver in water either from the bank side or when deployed in a boat where a large area may be covered using a gridding system.

The dog has also been trained to identify 'dead body' scent contamination where there is no physically retrievable evidence, due to scent adhering to pervious material such as carpet or the upholstery in motor vehicles. Whereas there may be no retrievable evidence for court purposes this may well assist intelligence gathering in Major Crime investigations. This may be completed by the dog being deployed directly to the subject area or by scent samples being taken on sterile gauze pads and the scent check being completed by scent discrimination exercise at a suitable venue.

The dog will alert to the presence of 'dead body' scent whether it is at source or some distance away from a deposition site. This enables the use of the dog to identify the exhaust of the scent through fissures in bedrock or watercourses. A geophysical survey of the area will then reduce the size of the search area.

The dog may be used to screen clothing, vehicles or property in a suitable environment. This is completed in a scent discrimination exercise where controls may be included to increase assurity.

I have developed the training of the E.V.R.D. to include the screening of scent pads taken from motor vehicles, property or scenes by a ST100 Scent Transference Unit. The unit is designed in a two-part design. The main body is a battery operated electrical device that draws air in at to the front and exhausts through the rear. There is no 're-circulation' of air within the unit. The second part is a 'grilled' hood that fits to the main body. A sterile gauze pad is fitted into the hood. When operated, the ST100 draws air through the hood and the sterile gauze pad and exhausts through
ports to the rear. 'Scent' is trapped in the gauze, which may then be forensically stored for use within scent discrimination exercises.

The ST 100 unit is cleaned following use in such a manner that no residual scent is apparent. This is checked by control measures where the dog is allowed to search a given area where the S 100 is secreted. Any response by the dog would suggest contamination. Tests have shown that the decontamination procedures are effective in this case with the dog NOT alerting to the device when completed.

Use of the ST 100 is recommended when subject vehicles, property, clothing, premises are to be forensically protected from contamination by the dog, and for covert deployment. At all other times best practice would be for the dog to be given direct access.

Operational use of the ST100 is in a developmental stage.

'Keela' The Crime Scene Investigation (C.S.I.) dog will search for and locate human blood to such small proportions that it is unlikely to be recovered by the forensic science procedures in place at this time due to its size or placement.

She will locate contaminated weapons, screen motor vehicles and items of clothing and examine crime scenes for minute human blood deposits. She will accurately locate human blood on items that have been subjected to 'clean up operations' or having been subjected to several washing machine cycles.

In training she has accurately located minute samples of blood on property up to thiry-six years old.

In order for the dog to locate the source the blood must have 'dried' in situ. Any 'wetting' once dried will not affect the dog's abilities.

Blood that is subjected to dilution by precipitation or other substantial water source prior to drying will soak into the ground or other absorbent material. This may dilute the scent to an unacceptable level for accurate location.

It is possible however that the EVRD will locate the scent source as it would for 'dead body' scent. Forensic testing may not produce evidence but any alert may provide intelligence to support other factors in the investigation of a crime.

The assets may be deployed upon request of a Senior Investigating Oficer (S.I.O.) following consultation with the appropriate S.M.E.'s and advisors.

The project team makes decisions on suitability for case deployment. Due to the very nature of the dog's presence, cross contamination and preservation of vital evidence at crime scenes must be considered prior to any deployment in consultation with the senior crime scene coordinator.

Both dogs and I are licensed as two separate working teams. We are independently tested and licensed mutually, normally at six monthly intervals as a 'rolling' programme to ensure best practice is maintained. They are tested to units of assessment prepared as a stand-alone system as these dogs are the only assets of their type in the world. Training records are maintained and are available if required.

POINTS TO ASSIST

Whilst it is stated that the E.V.RD. is originally trained using pig the following notes of guidance should be considered when assessing indications:

P In six years operational deployment in over 200 cases the dog has never alerted to meat based foodstuffs.

> The dog has never alerted to 'road kill'

P Alerts given by the dog where no obvious human remains are found are supported by forensic evidence / anecdotal witness accounts.

> The dog, a scavenger, uses its olfactory system to locate food sources, identify its young and other pack members, enemies and predators over large distances. It can track its prey identifying a direction of travel. This entails the dog being able to discriminate the time difference between footsteps using the sense of smell !

> The dog is an animal that's basic function in the wild is to scavenge food and procreate.

> In a domestic environment it responds to humans as a food source and bonds in the manner it would with other pack members.

> The reward of food and protection / close comfort provides the basis for a system to be adopted where the dog shows a willingness to respond in response to the reward. We are thereby able to 'train' the dog using conditioned responses to stimuli. Repetition and reward then ensure efficiency. Positive and negative reinforcement then shape the required behaviour in their role.

P Pavlov's theory is used in the case of the E.V.RD. system of alert. He has been 'conditioned' to give a verbal alert when coming into contact with 'dead body scent'. The presence of tangible material is not required to produce the response.

> Although the dog is 'trained' using reward based methods the behaviour shaping and enforcement regime produces an asset that does not false alert unlike electronic devices.

> Pseudo scent is a chemically produced product that its manufacturers claim to resemble 'dead body scent'. Although some trainers have had limited success when tested on my dogs they showed no interest.

> Operational finds backed by forensic corroboration have shown that the system adopted by me in the training of the dogs is both effective and efficient.

Acting in my role of advisor to the U.S. Justice Department I have facilitated assessment of numerous cadaver search dog teams in the United States. These dogs are exclusively trained using human cadaver sources. When I introduced pig based products into training assessments 100% of the animals alerted to the medium.

> The result from scientific experiment and research to date would tend to support the theory that the scent of human and pig decomposing material is so similar that we are unable to 'train' the dog to distinguish between the two.

That is not to say that this may not be possible in the future.

> The odour target of cadaver is scientifically explained through 'volatile compounds" that in a certain configuration are received by the dog as a receptor. Recognition then gives a conditioned response 'ALERT'. Despite considerable research and analytical investigation the compounds cannot be replicated in laboratory processes. Therefore the 'alert' by dogs without a tangible source cannot be forensically proven at this time.

> 'Dead body scent' cannot be removed by cleaning. The compounds adhere to surfaces. The scent can be 'masked' by bleach and other strong smelling odours but the dog's olfactory system is able to separate odour and identify specific compounds' and mixes to cellular level. A similar system would be a device similar to an electron microscope.

> In training the dog has accurately alerted to a 1 cm cube of pork soaked in petrol for 1 week and then burnt until only a residue remains.

>The dog's olfactory system is so highly developed that it continues to be efficient at cellular level:

Distinguish the time difference between footprints to give a direction of travel.

Distinguish live from dead within minutes.

Distinguish human blood from other species where the chemical constituent parts are identical.

Identify the EXACT location of blood so small in size that when forensically recovered will NOT provide a full DNA strand despite low copy DNA analysis.

> Scientists accept that there is no forensic testing equipment as discriminatory as the dogs olfactory system at this present moment in time.

>All research and training of the dogs within this program is completed in conjunction with a team of scientists for differing fields of expertise. They have in the past and will continue to endorse the dogs used within the field of homicide investigations.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-506725/Blood-McCanns-hire-car-DID-come-Madeleine.html

hire car with blood and dna was discovered in the boot,the same car the hatch was seen being left open open for several nights...it wasnt hired by then till over 3 weeks after she went awol..

Stop embarrassing yourself, Rico.

s.kenbo 21 Sep 24 10:05 
Stop embarrassing yourself, Rico.

kenbo ewe know asolutely fck all ydc..stick to laying bricks..its easier.

tobymugs
So just to clarify, you layed COT for 155k or more but came out with an 11k profit.
You own a betting system valued at 600k +
but finished in last place in a Div2 tipping comp.
and caught 2 huge tuna that coincidentally the same fish were caught by someone else.
Stoute ,Not even in the top ten of English trainers Quixall. NAP

this is the fckn doylem who's giving an opinion on something he knows absolutely fck all about

That is the start of another meltdown, always happens when he knows he is exposed!!

GEORGE.B 21 Sep 24 08:30 


And one of things he demonstrates through actual footage and news from the time, is right from the outset the involvement in the case of high level British politics, which he compares to another case from the time of a British toddler going missing on the continent, which got virtually no involvement from the British government / press.

That’s because Gerry is an ‘asset’!!

this wasnt apartment 5A..was another place they hired .

We are a forum full of gamblers. What are the odds of two parents, doctors too, disposing their daughter’s body?

Could any of you imagine what your wife would say or do if you suggested doing it? Yet for both to be complicit makes it almost impossible.