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10 Sep 24 12:32
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No great surprise but what a Trainer he was.Plain

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By:
acey deucy
When: 10 Sep 24 12:34
Legendary trainer Sir Michael Stoute has announced he will stop training at the end of the year, bringing to a close a glittering career spanning six decades.

Stoute, 78, has trained numerous champions, including the peerless Shergar, one of six Derby winners, as well as the likes of Shareef Dancer, Zilzal and Harbinger, an emphatic winner of the King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes.

The trainer first scored at the highest level when Blue Cashmere won the 1974 Nunthorpe Stakes and his most recent Group 1 winner was Bay Bridge, who landed the 2022 Champion Stakes at Ascot.

In a statement to the PA news agency, Stoute said: “I have decided to retire from training at the end of this season.

“I would like to thank all my owners and staff for the support they have given me over the years. It has been a great and enjoyable journey.”

Stoute has been champion trainer on ten occasions and between 1985 and 2022 there were only four seasons in which he did not send out a Group 1 winner.

Beginning with Etienne Gerard in the 1977 Jersey Stakes, Stoute has sent out 82 winners at Royal Ascot, second only to Aidan O'Brien, and he has been leading trainer at the meeting six times.
By:
sparrow
When: 10 Sep 24 12:42
A great trainer with an excellent record when as well as all his Group and Royal Ascot winners would even manage a Champion Hurdle too.
By:
CagliariG
When: 10 Sep 24 12:43
Gone against his filly in the first at Leic acey, something I would not have entertained during his glory years. Surprised no mention of Workforce in that report considering he was beaten in the Dante then won the Derby, thrashed by Harbinger and SMS said not to worry he will come back from that, he did and won the Arc!!
By:
acey deucy
When: 10 Sep 24 12:45
Punters Pal who's Horse's were consistent in the mane.
By:
formoftheace
When: 10 Sep 24 12:46
Name a better over the past six decades…..
By:
Clerkmore
When: 10 Sep 24 12:49
Andre Fabre.
By:
formoftheace
When: 10 Sep 24 12:51
On par…
By:
CagliariG
When: 10 Sep 24 12:53
Not even in the top ten of English trainers Quixall. NAP
By:
CagliariG
When: 10 Sep 24 13:00
Apologies acey, the 1510 hrs Leic!!
By:
sageform
When: 10 Sep 24 13:25
A very good trainer who came from a non racing background so no big stable to inherit from Dad or other relatives. It is the right time to stop though.
By:
Poppydog.
When: 10 Sep 24 13:25
Well ahead of his time.

Little Singspiel globetrotting in Japan, UAE, Canada and Breeders Cup
(fun fact Singspiel got smashed by Celtic Swing as a 2yo, but was miles ahead of the rest of the field)

Also, always intrigued behind the thought processes of Stoute and Sheikh Mohammed to running Kribensis in the NH arena.
By:
elisjohn
When: 10 Sep 24 13:26
ps what a stable over the years ,  Shergar no1 .1,000 Guineas – (2) – Musical Bliss (1989), Russian Rhythm (2003)
2,000 Guineas – (5) – Shadeed (1985), Doyoun (1988), Entrepreneur (1997), King's Best (2000), Golan (2001)
Ascot Gold Cup – (2) – Shangamuzo (1978), Estimate (2013)
Champion Hurdle – (1) – Kribensis (1990)
Champion Stakes – (3) – Pilsudski (1997), Kalanisi (2000), Bay Bridge (2022)
Cheveley Park Stakes – (3) – Marwell (1980), Gay Gallanta (1994), Regal Rose (2000)
Commonwealth Cup - (1) - Eqtidaar (2018)
Coronation Cup – (5) – Saddlers' Hall (1992), Opera House (1993), Singspiel (1997), Daliapour (2000), Ask (2009)
Coronation Stakes – (4) – Sonic Lady (1986), Milligram (1987), Exclusive (1998), Russian Rhythm (2003)
Christmas Hurdle - (2) - Kribensis (1988, 1989)
Derby – (6) – Shergar (1981), Shahrastani (1986), Kris Kin (2003), North Light (2004), Workforce (2010), Desert Crown (2022)
Dewhurst Stakes – (1) – Ajdal (1986)
Diamond Jubilee Stakes - (1) - Dream of Dreams (2021)
Eclipse Stakes – (6) – Opera House (1993), Ezzoud (1994), Pilsudski (1997), Medicean (2001), Notnowcato (2007), Ulysses (2017)
Falmouth Stakes – (6) – Royal Heroine (1983), Sonic Lady (1986, 1987), Lovers Knot (1998), Integral (2014), Veracious (2019)
Fighting Fifth Hurdle - (1) - Kribensis (1989)
Fillies' Mile – (2) – Untold (1985), Red Bloom (2003)
Diamond Jubilee Stakes – (1) – Dafayna (1985)
Haydock Sprint Cup – (3) – Green Desert (1986), Ajdal (1987), Dream of Dreams (2020)
International Stakes – (6) – Shardari (1986), Ezzoud (1993, 1994), Singspiel (1997), Notnowcato (2006), Ulysses (2017)
July Cup – (3) – Marwell (1981), Green Desert (1986), Ajdal (1987)
King George VI and Queen Elizabeth Stakes – (6) – Shergar (1981), Opera House (1993), Golan (2002), Conduit (2009), Harbinger (2010), Poet's Word (2018)
King's Stand Stakes – (1) – Marwell (1981)
Lockinge Stakes – (8) – Scottish Reel (1986), Safawan (1990), Soviet Line (1995, 1996), Medicean (2001), Russian Rhythm (2004), Peeress (2006), Mustashry (2019)
Nassau Stakes – (7) – Triple First (1977), Optimistic Lass (1984), Kartajana (1990), Hawajiss (1994), Islington (2002), Russian Rhythm (2003), Favourable Terms (2004)
Nunthorpe Stakes – (2) – Blue Cashmere (1974), Ajdal (1987)
Oaks – (2) – Fair Salinia (1978), Unite (1987)
Prince of Wales's Stakes – (4) – Hard Fought (1981), Stagecraft (1991), Poet's Word (2018), Crystal Ocean (2019)
Queen Anne Stakes – (3) – Kalanisi (2000), Medicean (2001), No Excuse Needed (2002)
Queen Elizabeth II Stakes – (3) – Shadeed (1985), Milligram (1987), Zilzal (1989)
Racing Post Trophy – (1) – Dilshaan (2000)
St. James's Palace Stakes – (1) – Shaadi (1989)
St. Leger Stakes – (1) – Conduit (2008)
Sun Chariot Stakes – (4) – Triple First (1977), Kartajana (1990), Peeress (2005), Integral (2014)
Sussex Stakes – (3) – Sonic Lady (1986), Zilzal (1989), Among Men (1998)
Triumph Hurdle - (1) - Kribensis (1988)
Yorkshire Oaks – (9) – Fair Salinia (1978), Sally Brown (1985), Untold (1986), Hellenic (1990), Pure Grain (1995), Petrushka (2000), Islington (2002, 2003), Quiff (2004)
Canada Canada

Canadian International Stakes – (3) – Singspiel (1996), Hillstar (2014), Cannock Chase (2015)
E.P. Taylor Stakes – (1) – Ivor's Image (1986)
France France

Grand Prix de Saint-Cloud – (3) – Gamut (2004), Mountain High (2007), Spanish Moon (2009)
Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe – (1) – Workforce (2010)
Prix du Moulin de Longchamp – (1) – Sonic Lady (1986)
Prix de l'Abbaye de Longchamp – (1) – Marwell (1981)
Prix de l'Opéra – (4) – Royal Heroine (1983), Bella Colora (1985), Petrushka (2000), Zee Zee Top (2003)
Prix Royal-Oak – (2) – Allegretto (2007), Ask (2009)
Germany Germany

Bayerisches Zuchtrennen – (2) – Greek Dance (2000), Linngari (2008)
Grosser Preis von Baden – (1) – Pilsudski (1996)
Hong Kong Hong Kong

Hong Kong Bowl – (1) – Soviet Line (1994)
Hong Kong Vase – (1) – Daliapour (2000)
Republic of Ireland Ireland

Irish 1,000 Guineas – (1) – Sonic Lady (1986)
Irish 2,000 Guineas – (1) – Shaadi (1989)
Irish Champion Stakes – (2) – Cézanne (1994), Pilsudski (1997)
Irish Derby – (3) – Shergar (1981), Shareef Dancer (1983), Shahrastani (1986)
Irish Oaks – (6) – Fair Salinia (1978), Colorspin (1986), Unite (1987), Melodist (1988, dead heat), Pure Grain (1995), Petrushka (2000)
Matron Stakes – (2) – Favourable Terms (2003), Echelon (2007)
Pretty Polly Stakes – (1) – Promising Lead (2008)
Tattersalls Gold Cup – (2) – Opera House (1992), Notnowcato (2007)
Italy Italy

Gran Criterium - (1) - Northern Tempest (1983)
Oaks d'Italia – (2) – Ivor's Image (1986), Melodist (1988)
Japan Japan

Japan Cup – (2) – Singspiel (1996), Pilsudski (1997)     And all this when racing was competitive at the top not like these days , he challenged cecil, harwood, hern,vincent , too name a few of true greats
By:
formoftheace
When: 10 Sep 24 13:39
CagliariG 10 Sep 24 12:53 
Not even in the top ten of English trainers Quixall. NAP

More nonsense….
By:
blunder
When: 10 Sep 24 13:39
Undoubtedly a great trainer , but a sad throwback to the 50/60/70s in  a lack  of communicating with the media. Thank goodness for O'Brien , Appleby , Burke ,etc helping to drag the sport into the 21st century.
By:
sageform
When: 10 Sep 24 13:40
I suppose it was a fairly short step from the Flat to the Triumph Hurdle for Kribensis and having won that, going on over hurdles made sense. He was not top class on the flat as I recall.
By:
formoftheace
When: 10 Sep 24 13:40
Pound for pound he’s as good as any you care to mention…..
By:
sageform
When: 10 Sep 24 13:41
Do you actually believe what the trainers say in public?
By:
formoftheace
When: 10 Sep 24 13:42
Not many people I believe tbh
By:
formoftheace
When: 10 Sep 24 13:42
Regarding Stoute the stats are there for all to see tbf…
By:
1st time poster
When: 10 Sep 24 13:44
as his yard,feed,staff his training techniques wont have changed just goes to prove it s a number,s.money/owners game
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 10 Sep 24 13:52
tobymugs spouting more absolute and utter pony..

#WAC
By:
Whippin Piccadilly
When: 10 Sep 24 13:55
I wouldn't take a single word he says seriously after coming out with that. Not that I did anyway!
By:
1st time poster
When: 10 Sep 24 14:07
may or may not be true but back in the day when stoute/Cecil send decent long distance maidens to Redcar,they used to share a horse box and their lads were always playing pool/having a pint in the PIG AND WHISTLE [ NOW DEMOLISHED } and they always new which was going to win,start fav,little money making machine like THE  FAV winning THE MAIDEN in the last at Windsor over a MILE +
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 10 Sep 24 14:07
tobymugs
So just to clarify, you layed COT for 155k or more but came out with an 11k profit.
You own a betting system valued at 600k +
but finished in last place in a Div2 tipping comp.
and caught 2 huge tuna that coincidentally the same fish were caught by someone else.
Stoute ,Not even in the top ten of English trainers Quixall. NAP
By:
CagliariG
When: 10 Sep 24 14:11
Shafter reduced to low level trolling and even knowing he has been shafted with facts continues to show why he is the closest competitor to Quixall as the Forums biggest loser, takes some doing given Gaze et al!!!

Btw have you not cottoned on yet about the wrong species and Continent not to mention SMS is not English you cretin!!! LOL
By:
johnnyrant
When: 10 Sep 24 14:22
Sad day for the sport. A training great imho. Huge shame Desert Crown's career cut short and Passenger injured this season. An era of old-school trainers gradually dying out and for anyone who grew to love Flat racing following it in the 80s and 90s the end of Stoute's career feels like losing another much cherished icon of the sport, along with the likes of Henry Cecil and Luca Cumani…
By:
top2rated
When: 10 Sep 24 15:22
Ladies and gentlemen, we are now commencing our approach to Bridgetown, Barbados
The weather is fine with a maximum temperature of ninety degrees Fahrenheit
The sky is blue and the palm trees are really cool
Captain Willcock and his crew hope you have had a pleasant flight
And that you will fly Coconut Airways again.

He didn't wanna be a racehorse trainer all his life
He'd seen too much of Newmarket town in the night
Fly away on Coconut Airways
Fly me high, Barbados sky


Woh
He's going to Barbados
Woh
Back to the palm trees
By:
sageform
When: 10 Sep 24 15:26
As far as public face is concerned, I was first interested in racing at a time when I had never seen a photograph of most trainers, never mind seen them interviewed on TV. It never affected my views on which could do the job and which could not. George Todd, Jack Jarvis, Noel Murless, Boyd Rochford, all very good but the only one I would recognise a picture of is Murless. I would recognise the top jump trainers from 1950 on as I saw them on course but hardly ever went flat racing before 1964.
By:
elisjohn
When: 10 Sep 24 16:33
best  trainers in uk imho from the late 70s to now                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   1 cecil                                                                                                                                           
2 hern                                                                                                                                             
3 stoute                                                                                                                                           
4 saaed bin suroor                                                                                                                                           
5 gosden                                                                                                                                            6 harwood                                                                                                                                           7 john dunlop                                                                                                                                      8 cumani                                                                                                                                           
9 barry hills                                                                                                                                     
10 brittain`
By:
elisjohn
When: 10 Sep 24 16:34
oopsLaugh
By:
acey deucy
When: 10 Sep 24 16:37
Dusty bin saroor ffs.LaughLaughLaugh
By:
freddiewilliams
When: 10 Sep 24 16:40
Anyone on the treble
By:
acey deucy
When: 10 Sep 24 16:41
Geoff Wragg shocking omission.
By:
the.mad.dog.man
When: 10 Sep 24 17:01
gosden should be next
By:
elisjohn
When: 10 Sep 24 17:08
terrible that no new trainer has come along in the last 20 years to be in the top 10, maybe Appleby in time,
By:
acey deucy
When: 10 Sep 24 17:12
I have to say having worked for Major Hern and Gosden i wouuld put Beckett who i also worked for right up ith any of them.Plain
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 10 Sep 24 17:12
That list suggests you have to have the wealthiest owners backing you to be considered great

BULLSHIT!

David Elsworth is in that list
By:
acey deucy
When: 10 Sep 24 17:13
Aye with even.
By:
Cardinal Scott
When: 10 Sep 24 17:18
Richard Hannon senior should be in that list too

He didn't go out with a whimper, he went out with his highest ever win tally and strike rate combined
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