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Handsome Samson was another Derby favourite who gets a mention in " A Royal Flush"
Remember that one duffy , Del asked him whether it would be trying  |
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A very enjoyable post to read. Great input.
I only got into racing in 93 so the greats from the 70s are only available to me from videos. In my time I thought Sakhee's 4 year old season was brilliant. 3 year olds would STS, to go from Newmarket in May to Longchamp in October was a hell of an achievement. Danced every dance. Giants Causeway for his toughness. Pentre Celebre was special too. Montjeu, Daylami, Sindaar, are all worth a mention. But Frankel, to have 3 seasons where he was untouchable and to put in so many breathtaking performances stands at the top. |
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I watched Nijinsky walk round the paddock before the 2000, incidentally waiting for a late Lester. He was magnificent, with what the Americans call the look of eagles. In my book he was a great. Out of the ones I've seen close up I'd have Sea the Stars top and Vaguely Noble second. Too close to name a third.
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Dancing Brave was different gravy.
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Hayden You Are Wrong Arkle is not mentioned in same scene, I watched it back.
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Oh I see same episode, just different scene
After Miss Mac turns up to confirm they're new council house where Nijinsky is mentioned again, then Arkle gets a mention. |
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Yes that's the one cardinal , it's Rodney that's mentions Arkle.
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I saw him win the Derby to me he looked beat but he run on well.
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Best horse I ever seen, I was at his debut on the Curragh ,and followed him thereafter if only on telly when he raced abroad...A incredible machine of a horse and I've seen them all from the early 60s...If he didn't get sick he would have remained unbeaten. Lesters ride in the Arc was shocking, and Lester is my all time fav jockey...Golden Fleece was another great but sadly died as a young horse...
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With you all the way workrider.
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He's a household name workrider which tells you something , on tv quiz shows when someone hasn't the first clue about the horse racing they can still muster the names Nijinsky , Arkle or Red Rum from somewhere in the memory bank such was their popularity
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Red Rum is mentioned in 1st episode of Porridge sequel Going Straight
and then there is inadvertent reference in The Shining  |
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I always have great respect for your opinion, workrider. However, I am of similar vintage to yourself and believe that Sea Bird II was the greatest horse I have seen.
He won the Derby without coming off the bit and won a top class Arc by 6 lengths from the unbeaten Reliance despite swerving across the track. Reliance was five lengths ahead of the rest. |
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I seem to recall sparrow would agree with that clerkmore
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Sparrow is an astute man, Hayden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzXPXjUcOaA I rest my case! |
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Yes,Clerkenwell.Sea Bird II for me was the best ever.He won in a canter,even though the trainer asked Glennon to pull up early,as he was worried about the shute.
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My vote goes to Sea-Bird.
I was 14 at the time and watched the English Derby on the BBC. After the race I ran out to the kitchen to tell my parents I had seen the best horse ever. They laughed at my childish stupidity. Montjeu was a cracker. I am not a fan of Dancing Brave. His Arc win was nothing unusual. I wish I had seen Ribot. |
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I wouldn't have Dancing Brave at the top, but his performance in swooping down the outside to beat a top notch field was brilliant. That might have been the last great Arc field.
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Sea Bird 11.....the greatest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXaWeZLmlC4 |
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I965 Sea Bird and Arkle and if we only knew what we were witnessing that year!
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Clerkmore that's very kind of you indeed,suffice to say Sea Bird was just before my time, although I believe Peter O'Sulleven was of the same opinion as yourself and Sparrow...
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Something that people forget in Dancing Brave's Arc is that Bering went lame in the last furlong.
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Brigadier Gerard is worthy of mention in this thread....Beaten just once and bounced back from that.
In the modern day, though, Enable takes some beating. Won on Turf and Polytrack, all types of going, and in the USA, GB, Ireland and France. Ran in 4 Arcs and won 2. Won 4 King Georges etc etc. I used to think that a horse had to be unbeaten (like Frankel), or very close to it, to be considered a champion. But now I am older, I realise that the great ones can bounce back even after losing a race. That is where Nijinsky fails for me a bit. Lost his unbeaten record in the Arc and then beaten again next time. Lastly, Let's also consider that Oh So Sharp is the last triple-crown winner, although it was the fillies version it was still some going!! |
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If Bering went lame in the Arc,why didn't the jockey ease him
up after the line? The French thought defeat was out of the question for this horse, just an excuse. |
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I did mention Brigadier Geard, but this thread is very much about middle distance horses, and he was first and foremost a brilliant miler.
Full marks for longevity, but I think Enable's 134 looks high compared to say Royal Palace's 131. |
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Bering didn't go lame in the Arc -he possibly fractured a bone.As Ted Walsh would say you don't feel it when the blood is up.
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Bering didn't go lame in the Arc -he possibly fractured a bone.As Ted Walsh would say you don't feel it when the blood is up.
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differentdrum 03 Sep 24 11:58
I can't have Sea The Stars as being a better season than Mill Reef. Even though he didn't win that 2000 Guineas it was considered one of the best ever renewals. Sea The Stars beat Delegator who won one race over a mile in his career. Mill Reef then went through the season winning by daylight, including the King George/Eclipse double, and for me against better opposition than Sea The Stars ever encountered. Mastercraftsman, Rip Van Winkle and Fame And Glory won twelve Group 1s between them. |
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I don't doubt that they did, but was that because they were brilliant, or even very good, or just happened to be around at the right time? Had a quick look back, and I barely remember some of the horses they beat. The Timeform ratings are Mastercraftsman 129 Fame And Glory 134 and Rip Van Winkle 133. I think the last two are (much) too high. I think you should be exceptional to get that sort of rating. Just to go back to Royal Palace's 131, he gave 12lb to Sir Ivor in an Eclipse. None of those achieved anything like that. It looks to me as if they massaged these ratings on account of Sea The Stars never winning by big margins.
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Re Dancing Brave.If I remember rightly his rating was lowered 1 or 2LB a few
years back,from 140. Anyone else remember this happening? |
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i seem to remember guy harwood was not happy
the 141 was too high though |