Geoff banks robbed at york races

possibly bevvied up, just got the dosh and pocketed it without counting, not entirely sure how that constitutes a 'robbery' tbh ...

counted his dosh the next day thinking he did better than he thought.  without realising someones been on the phone to phil collins to see if he's available for a remake of Buster ...

A subsequent report in the Racing Post suggests that the punter who made off with the cash may have been aware that Banks had laid a £1,000 bet at 11-4 on Tropical Storm, the winning favourite in the Roses Stakes, in addition to their own bet of £100 at 11-4. That implies in turn that Banks may have fallen victim to a hastily conceived – but still potentially criminal – act of fraud, rather than a failure by the punter to point out a mistake.

sew the punter with a £100 bet manages to convinced the return was £3750? pmsl walofs.

never done that steve ??

hear the boy in front having a grand on at 11/10 so you have £5 on hoping you'll get his winnings when you go back as result of a hastily conceived – but still potentially criminal – act of fraud.

thought everyone did that ...

just mugs

banks spouting/throwing so much **** the wall,s about to collapse,
is he saying anyone in line taking a price that someone else has taken to a bigger stake is potentialy a scammer/cheat/theif ?,if his clerks fook up again

I,ll go as far to say there's zero chance of any joint paying out 3750 without seeing the 3750 printed on a winning slip and checked by at least 2 people on the joint or the automated tkt payout ,which tells me the mistake was made when the bet was struck ,wrong tkts given out, 2 slips with 3750 returns written on it, etc

hulk23 27 Aug 24 14:04 
never done that steve ??

hear the boy in front having a grand on at 11/10 so you have £5 on hoping you'll get his winnings when you go back as result of a hastily conceived – but still potentially criminal – act of fraud.

thought everyone did that ...


what did the ticket tell the computer?

if all happened as we,re told,  one on banks joint might have known/recognised the bloke who bet the 100 ,but they would sure have known the punter who bet the 1000, no tome,dick or carry could jog up to banksy,s joint and get a grand on and no chance of nearly 4 grand been handed out to a complete stranger without a few words/conversation taking place, imo
how many grand cash bets will banks have taken in the ring on sat ?

strangers don't walk up to banks joint and get accommodated for grand bets
strangers don't get handed nearly 4 grand in winnings,without plenty of chat,conversations, with staff at the banks joint,
plenty wer,re not been told here

I'd agree both size of bet and payout make this case very suspicious - hardly going to go unnoticed at any point including payouts surely...?

exactly they wouldn't have known the 100 quid punter but would have known the grand punters face and wouldn't have handed over 3750 over to a complete stranger without a lot of interaction ,whilst waiting for a known face to turn up, unless the stranger had 3750 returns on his slip or machine showed 3750 returns ,any comment / interaction with joint from grand punter when he rocked up to collect his 3750 ?

You can every security check in the book in place but human error will happen at some point.

I remember paying a guy out on the wrong multi, he ended up with an extra £500. Bet numbers no where near the same, writing different, both had 4 prices taken, I'd convinced myself who it was before he came in and basically paid him out without checking anything. He was never ween again.

Should have cut price after took a grand.

Schoolboy error.

On a busy day where they are taking in and paying out, it's entirely plausible that something has happened

so in 4 days at York how many bookies made an error and how many punters were as banks calls them THIEVES
where was the error/things happen, at the placement of the bet at collection of winnings ?
has anyone at banks end ruled out a tkt mistakenly given out as a grand bet for 3750 returns, instead of a 100 for 3750 ?

what did the ticket tell the computer?

We have a few sherlocks on here talking bull. It's easy to understand what happened. Bloke comes up wants ton at 11-4. No problem. Clerk types in extra 0 making his slip saying he's got a grand on. He goes to collect his 375 but given 3750. Whether he looked at his slip or not we don't know. But how NOBODY working for Banksy spotted the serious error is the mystery. And is it an inside job? Nobody can be this silly n'est pas...

few sherlocks and a psychic.

Slickster if that  was the case then it would  be Mr Banks vault  so why was Mr Banks saying  the workman was gutted.
Ronnie.

banks wudnt be typing tho ronnie.

Rico.
All the guvnors  are  behind  the joint.
Hope you are well.
Ronnie.

Sorry. Most of the guvnors
Geoff is nearly  always  on the computer.
Ronnie.

the ? is Ronnie how many pairs of eyes,  joint interaction would go in to handing over nearly 4 grand to an apparent stranger, must have been 3750 for whatever reason on the tkt, no way imo has 3750 been handed over to a stranger holding or handing over a 375 returns tkt,which at least in public banks and his team are suggesting, but he,s already on version 3 so time for more versions to come out,
If its as told by banks, I,d say the punter betting a grand would be known to the joint and his winnings/return of 3750 would already have been counted out in someones pocket to hand over by the time the punter arrived for his payout, chances of the banks team handing over 3750 to another punter/complete stranger by mistake imo are zero,zilch,nada,not happening

Most taking the cash, give the bet a quick look before they hand you it over but at busy meetings, it must be really pressurised, from 10 mins before the off, trying to get as much business as you can, it's probably a check that goes out the window, at that time.

Why would they need to be known, the price will ge bigger on here, so he can fo what he wants with the bet

how many grand cash bets to  unknown faces do you think banks takes in a day ?

You pick your winnings up & go,big or small.
You're on a racecourse,not a chat show.

Aug 27, 2024 -- 6:30PM, 1st time poster wrote:

how many grand cash bets to

As many as he can I would guess if the price is bigger on here.

Why wouldn't you, your not talking about laying early price ricks , you are laying on a fully developed market, where you can make a profit

if that were the case he wouldn't have lost anything or very little  so no need for banks or the clerk to be upset

I didn't say it was the case here, you are saying he wouldn't lay a thousand to a stranger, imho they all would

Under the above circumstances

after his comments about tax dodging arbers I,m sure banksy would rather swallow 3 bags of sands than become one of those dirty arbers he hates so much

From my experience, these things are down purely to human error, as unbelievable as that may seem

Is there any tax free arbers left ?

Dealer.
Never  seen any  in the shop for donkeys years.
Hope you are well.
Ronnie.

I went to a shop once that was £900 short. It turned out someone had put 10 x £100 notes notes in a bundle and doubled it over, placed it in a bundle of 4 £100 bundles of £20 notes. It was stuck in the safe. The cashier then went to pay out a bet, gave him the bundle thinking it was £500, didn't check the notes and the guy ends up with an extra £900.

Must be impossible now Ronnie, apart from the odd occasion on some obscure football match.

I've got a season ticket for a&e at the moment Ronnie. I've had the shingles but on the mend

banks just said a belter on twitter
bloke asks what if roles were reversed punter handing to much stake money over by mistake
BANKS says if a punter hadn't over 3750 instead of 375 he,d be an absolute FOOKING moron,
bloke replies SO YOUR ADMITTING YOU EMPLOY ABSOLUTE FOOKING MORONS,
as that's what one of your staff did

ISTP.
Not many  morons live in stockbroker  belt Surrey  where the guy  who handed  the cash over lives.
Ronnie. The

he best take it up with his boss, that's what he called anyone handing over 3750 instead of 375

that's where banks loses the crowd
his clerk makes a mistake ,he,s a devastated broken man
if a punter made the same /similar mistake he,s an absolute FOOKING moron/thief
banks cant and never has been able to hide his contempt for his customers/punters

banks on Twitter the money means nothing to me I win more on any midweek dog race
so admitting he,s burried threw a trusted friend/clerk under the bus in public/racing post  for clicks over something that means nothing to him

Put it down to experience as my dad used to say. This way it's less likely to happen again soon.

Warrackhuunt
@Warrackhuunt
@geoffbanksbet
much speculation as to how u paid out the £3750..can you please clarify how this happened?
TIA. Rico

Detective wazza on the case
I don't think we've heard enough info regarding this

banks on Twitter the 100 quid punter was an experienced punter,who was betting with the joint in 100 units through out the days
so not the scammer banks has been claiming in the last 48 hrs
but the story will probably change again tomorrow

so they hand over 3750 to a bloke they new was betting in 100 quid units

banks now also saying they've seen him before Saturday in the ring, a regular face in ring would seem to rule out any form of scam, yet for no reason given by banks as of yet they handed over 3750 instead of 375,
all we really want to no is,   what were the potential payout written on the slip ?

computer processed..knott ritten.

1tp
I'm guessing he regrets putting up the post now
Not getting the sympathy he expected and now not willing to expand on the facts

All imo of course

the dealer 27 Aug 24 18:34 
As many as he can I would guess if the price is bigger on here.

dealer, iirc, his betfair account is suspended because he refused to comply with personal info requests.

3 grands a lot of money but if as banks is now saying,
he,s a grand a day ,regular ring punter who,s face is known to them,its peanuts compared to the bloke ,never been able to walk around the ring again punting ,if banks latest comments are right ,I predict the punter will return the money

Thanks George

The Money Laundering Regulations set out thresholds which, if customer cash transactions reach these levels, require a casino operator to apply customer due diligence measures. Not sure if the threshold is the same for bookmakers, but for casinos it is around £2,000. The threshold applies to the wagering of a stake or the collection of winnings.

When you look at the level of fines being issued for failing to comply with Money Laundering Regulations, I'd say losing £3,750 is the least of his worries.

banks on twitter
this guy is a regular well known to them and its only a matter of time, complete stranger 48 hrs ago,
that well known they thought he,d won 3750 for numerous 100 quid units bets throughout the day

Who ever did that should be warned off.

as should any bookie who has ever underpaid a punter.

anyone got access to the story doing the rounds on Twitter where banks refused to pay out on a greyhound bet,seemingly on the basis the punter had access to more information than GEOFF BANKS

professional WELZHER calling punters thieves for a mistake by his employee who banks thinks is an utter moron

1st.
The workman  is one of the nicest  guys on the tracks.
Hope you are well .wish I was.
Ronnie.

My dad was an oncourse clerk for many years in the 30s through to the 60s so my thoughts are very much with the clerk in question.

Sparrow  I think Banks would have been the clerk.
Look for the white  umbrella

Ronnie, I assumed the workman you referred to was the clerk?

Sparrow.
In the old days the guvnors  were on the front  of the joint know most of the guvnors  are clerking  behind the joint.
Ronnie.

Yes Ronnie I suppose I'm a little out of touch with the modern on course markets. I just remember my dad stood behind with his book in hand which all seems far too long ago.

Aug 28, 2024 -- 11:12AM, 1st time poster wrote:

anyone got access to the story doing the rounds on Twitter where banks refused to pay out on a greyhound bet,seemingly on the basis the punter had access to more information than GEOFF BANKS

Yes i heard that story. Banks wouldn't take his bets allegedly, so a mate of his went up and had a bet with Banks that won. when Banks saw him chatting to the banned punter, Banks refused to pay him saying it was the banned punters bet. that's the story i heard.

does banks have more than one pitch at York/other courses
he was a seeming to say on X  having mutiple pitches tends to lead to possibility of more mistakes happening , does he mean less staff at joints spread out across more pitches

1st.
Sure he only has one.
Ronnie.

cheers Ronnie hope  your feeling better soon

Have stuck the old Dog bet thread up for you.

He wonders why he hasn't had any sympathy for his 'crying' - grow up man.

Guessing he wishes he hadnt gone public with this now.

cheers Glasgow just read it
even now on banks Twitter feed  this is been written up as though they new the results of 1st few races before betting not that banks didn't notice till after 1st few had won

GB should heed the proverb "let he has not sinned cast the first stone"

Reckon this Banks character has been given far too much attention on this forum , may as well start another thread on Katie Price for all the attention seeking difference there is.

A bookie whinging is a bookie with an ultra superior self-interest attitude of the game. A professional trader makes a mistake every now and then. This is part of the parcel.

Any comment from his fellow professionals at the course? I'm fairly certain a similar predicament has happened to some of them too.

When i first read the Headlines, i naturally thought someone had approached him with a gun and robbed him

Hasn't he always been a bit of a drama queen?

Some respect for him though, because if I remember correctly he does not have any of the "wheels & reels" nonsense on his website, just a sportsbook - and I cant' think of many/any others that aren't taking the opportunity to snare as many degenerate addicts as they possibly can.

3750 should have been ringing alarm bells to the cashier

there's no way Banks would lay to lose that much off a single

Bookie robbing a punter! Really, is this what 2024 has come too!! World all tits up.

Punter just thought it was a bonus imho

lets hope it happens again and again

Guess he might actually take some responsibility for his accounting/payout mechanisms from now...seen as 3k made him cry so much.

There's a common denominator applying to both Geoff Banks and Katie Price   

A piece of advice for Mr Banks. May I suggest anything over £1k another clerk will have to certify/endorse before paying to the winning punter. This way any clerical error is significantly reduced.

It's high time Mr Banks moves on. I firmly believe crying over spilt milk is not cathartic or therapeutic.

Must be half a story.
Makes his workman (and himself) look a fool for a bit of free publicity.
His team made a fck up, give a lump of money away and reports the punter to the police as a thief. Come on, that's not the real world.
I'd say to openly call a man a thief, you'd have to be 100% sure it was premeditated.
As noted here, bloke could have been hammered drunk, picking it up for his mate.
If its right he said on twitter, 3k is nowt and he pulls it off every gaff midweek dog race. Then why worry, very cheap lesson to improve staff communication.

I don't think this will end very well for Mr Banks.

are we expected to feel sorry for bookmakers ? they have no qualms shafting punters with the sudden drop in price an hour or 2 before a non runner is announced so as a rule  4 can be enforced or are we supposed to believe it is all coincidence !

Don't add up does it. How many "lumpy" bets does he take? 5 10 20 odd. Whatever. ANY payout of 4 figures and above must surely be meticulously checked. Why was this 3750 payout not?

They've just conducted a poll and he's overtaken Katie Price as the top UK attention seeker   

He's not still bleating, is he?

How many times will an on course bookie quietly pack things up at the end of the day knowing he's holding half a dozen winning tickets for a few hundred that the pissed up brigade have missed or forgotten about, never to be heard of again?

How many lose out on lotto due to a beer too many ?

Shop.
Has 2k worth of sleepers.
Have a good day.
Ronnie.

I worked at a popular British betting regulator - who shall remain nameless - a decade or so ago. They made a lot of noise about player fairness etc, so I raised the point of sleepers and how bookies were profiting from unpaid winning bets to thousands of pounds. They couldn't have been less interested.

When I was a student temping at a bookie in a couple of summers one of the managers would approach the regulars with sleepers. They were so grateful, and never complained about wrong prices.