Calum Shepherd you silly billy...

so he gets 18 days for practically nowt but doyles escapes punishment..i had to watch 5 times and struggling to see why he's been banned?

Stewards must think butter wouldn't melt in Doyle's mouth.

The incident at Kempton last week involving Harry Davies, where Doyle tried to put in him a pocket and after he'd come off second best, appeared to be letting his mouth off at Davies after the line.

Davies got five days for "improper riding", which seemed very harsh imo. But evidently the stewards took the side of Doyle in the enquiry, as they would do again at Windsor.

tonite im struggling to see what he's done wrong.

Rico, you can freeze the replay and see that Shepherd stood up in the saddle clearly before the line, which was unfortunate as he'd given it quite a strong ride up to that point.

Doyle used his charm on young Miss Candy she went weak at the knees the rest is History ffs.

Apparently an all female stewards panel at Windsor.

Well thar ya go, the days of the old military types making the decisions are over.

Gaggin for it ffs !!

Cody Watkins blokes name.

Good job I said "apparently" then innit

Rico-Dangleflaps Aug 24 22:28

tonite im struggling to see what he's done wrong.

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he stopped riding 5 yards before the line Mr.Hunt...

they do it probably every race every day (or just about)...

only difference here is it may (and i have no idea) have cost him outright 1st place...

it's a clear cut case...

even James Millman mentioned it early doors (pretty much as soon as they announced the photo coz i think initially he thought Shepherd had held on)...

it's ban worthy...

you can't stop riding (even one stride from the line) then get nabbed and get away with it i'm afraid...

i doubt even James Doyle would've escaped punishment on that one...

you never know tho.

Sat up again in a finish. Who is coaching these jockeys in a race? Should be 6 months Ban.

Ride your race past the line. Is this not too difficult?

all he had to do was keep pushing for one more stride Trident...

why they try and be 'cheeky' is something i will never understand tbh...

is it a) trying to hoodwink the handicapper (and when you are talking about heads and necks it makes no difference anyway) or

b) trying to look good  for the cameras ?

absolute madness...

as i say they deserve getting banned for their utter stupidity imv.

No excuse foe it but it's just human nature, happens in loads of sports.

Footballers trying to chip penalty kicks
Golfers back handing short putts and missing.
Athletes trying to be smart in heats, easing down and losing or even in finals
Rugby players diving over the line when no need to do so and dropping the ball 
Cyclists in the tour de france easing down in sprints 
Basketball players missing slam dunks

Doesn't make it right but it's not just racing

Chapman claiming on twitter that the photo is wrong and he did win the race..I know,quoting a clown but..

John McCririck would be apoplectic.And he was correct in what he said.

had a look at that link again to the replay of the race...

and i see RTV has chopped off the slow mo bit at the end where it showed him standing up in his irons far better than it does during the actual race...

how strange...

always good to bury bad news i suppose.

Tom talking too much sense as per usual , the unpredictability of both sport and human nature rears its head yet again.

Unless you think all these latest incidents are crooked of course then it's a different story , although we all know non of them are.

Hayden. Horse racing has an integrity issue that's not going away. And the next generation think a lot of horse racing is corrupt.

We know what happened, but other people in wider society see it as cheating. That's the problem.

When and where did you do the survey Trident?

There's a few people on here who bet on photos.
Whats their take on the photo here?
Shepherd's horse looks to have more on the line than the other horse.

I couldn't separate them penzance as much as I wanted to, backed Callum ew!!

Callum !

Ffs

3 times inside a month…….

Is that not his name Quixall or do you expect the tugging of forelocks from your exalted status?

Couldn’t be on first name terms with any jockey tbf…

They see the fodder as……fodder !

Proves what a pretentious pillock you are then ( both of you)!!

You should try a gig with the gravy train….ffs

Inches from the winning line with horses breathing down the neck and they take a pull…….

I also backed Callums horse and called it a dead heat before the result was announced see my post earlier on this thread.

judge called it wrong

callum won

You would have been dynamite as a Lance Jack with a clipboard Quixall, probably would have had the rank tattooed on your winky so you could pull rank nightly!!

Any other country on planet earth this garbage would have been dealt with no danger…..apart from this dense cesspit..

Was anybody ever dealt with for riddling your sisters "Jeep" with bullets Quixall?

Probably all pushing up daisies

More likely dancing with the other fairies at the bottom of your garden!!

1.01 to happen again…….end of !

Happens almost daily in the place market tbf

Consult with "Hibby" he thinks a former brickies mate should be a steward as opposed to anyone from inside the Racing Industry?

Aug 22, 2024 -- 11:35AM, CagliariG wrote:

When and where did you do the survey Trident?

It's from my own interactions with people at the races.

lol so that is wider society Trident?

The stills are shown at the bottom of this report and unfortunately for CS, one of them clearly shows him stood up in the saddle before the line, whereas the previous ones show him low in the saddle.

https://www.racingpost.com/news/britain/callum-shepherd-banned-for-18-days-for-failing-to-ride-out-finish-in-dead-heat-at-kempton-asCzt6Y90Dm8/

never stood up on my pics..slightly raised i concur..never stood up.

Photo is there on the RP website.  When you press CTRL and + you can magnify it and it does not look like a dead heat.  The horizontal lines create an optical illusion and make it looks like the nose of  Flavour Maker is on the line, but when you look at the overall shape of the horse's head and nose, it can't be.  I'd put the winning margin at either 1 or 2 pixels.

What has the shape of a horses head or nose got to do with where the end of it's nose is in a photo?

Think he's losing it questioning the photo. ( that's the jockey ! )

To be fair to marksman, if his avatar photo is actually him, his tears must run down his back when he cries!!

Aug 22, 2024 -- 2:26PM, .Marksman. wrote:

Photo is there on the RP website.

I thought exactly this, but at the res we're looking at it's impossible to be conclusive.

On maximum zoom it is a dead heat. Pause the video 4 yards out and he is already beginning to stand up. He stopped riding and it's cost him the race. I wouldn't be advising him to appeal.

If he had any sense he would admit his mistake and keep his head down.

gap there imo

Might have won if he had kept his head down sparrow, swings and roundabouts though, in your favour or not?

Not in my favour as I had backed the horse.

As did I sparrow, sometimes it goes in favour, sometimes not!!

I've zoomed in closer, to the stratum corneum of both horses, no gap, dead heat.

With Rico's pic, I rest my case.  Cagliari, you are thick!

I must be marksman, like anyone with both eyes working!!

CagliariG 27 May 24 19:27
We have laid it to lose £155 K min sparrow and hope for more!!!

wat waz the final lay total?

£11K profit over 2 races shafter, get over it!! ROFL

ROFL

83yr old chelsea pensioner with aspergers sitting tying absolute and utter tripe on a daily basis.

Any chance of a photo of your computer screen of the lifetime Portal?

TBF we all know you never served shafter, apart from that an accurate pen picture!!

ive had 2 acc's 2004-2009  2010-present

any good?

We believe you, like we believe Quixall tbf... imv... who also cannot post a photo of a bet or lifetime Portal!!!

Nice Bog Darking et al!!! Do you tell your carer you lived a blameless life?

CagliariG 22 Aug 24 17:42 
Any chance of a photo of your computer screen of the lifetime Portal?





any good?

Never claimed one unlike you but destroy you for proofs every time!!!

BTW with the computer screen and content visible YSDC!!!

CagliariG 22 Aug 24 17:42
Any chance of a photo of your computer screen of the lifetime Portal?

Thicker than I thought, lost the ability to read!!

Did well to get that home at Chelmsford just then.

He thought he was riding a 'he', brain scrambled, as for last night the horse dead-heated and he stopped riding, take it on the chin and move on whilst telling the Gredley's to eff off once and for all. And don't be egged on by that clown Chapman. Have a holiday and hopefully have a good autumn, nice guy and very decent rider.

2024 and we're using photo finish tech. that isn't fit for purpose.

To mess up as he did was bad enough, but then to try and pretend he didn't stop riding beggars belief. Is there something wrong with these jocks that they seem to think they can take everyone for idiots.

probably coz they know the BHA is as weak as very weak pi$$ and there's a fair chance they will not be banned...

this is the problem when you have folk who are supposed to enforce the laws of the game but bottle it on an almost daily basis...

probably coz if they had everyone in they should have in there would be very few left imv.

stops pushing when passing the trees...2 strides from the line when a head up
its a ban IF its a DH end of story
can't see the opposite mirror on the replay makes it difficult to line them up but its either a DH or he's won 1 pixel in which case that would save him

its the same special sort of arrogance that doyle displayed the other night
"I didn't stop riding"
if it was up to me that's a licence suspension

He nearly got disqualified in the last race yesterday as well. Two days on the trot he has put me through it!

Pos. (Draw)   
Horse / SP
Trainer / Jockey
Age    WGT    OR    TS    RPR    MR   
1 (3)

Runner Jacket
2. Smooth Silesie  (IRE) 7/2
Callum Shepherd
Lisa Williamson
3    97 b    62    46    –    –   
Prominent, headway over 1f out, hung right and bumped rival inside final furlong, kept on towards finish (op 4/1)

An enquiry was held to consider the placings in this race after interference approximately 1 furlong out when the winner, SMOOTH SILESIE (IRE) ridden by Callum Shepherd, interfered with KENTO, placed second, ridden by Rob Hornby. The Stewards considered that the interference was accidental in that SMOOTH SILESIE (IRE) had shifted quickly right-handed giving a bump to KENTO but had not improved SMOOTH SILESIE (IRE)’s placing as it appeared to be holding KENTO all the way to the line to win by ¾ length. The stewards could not be satisfied that the interference cost KENTO the winning distance.

A bit of sanity from Dave Jennings RP



This nonsense needs to stop. Now. In less than three weeks we have had three jockeys who should have won races, but didn't. Well, the final part of the terrible trilogy was a dead-heat. One of the riders got a 28-day ban, another got 18 days and the other somehow got off scot-free.

The easing-down spree started at Bath on the first Friday of the month when Alec Voikhansky surged to the front on Power Of Twins, kicked a couple of lengths clear before deciding to sit motionless for five strides without ever looking left or right. He had his heart broken by Lovestruck Romeo. He got 28 days and deserved every one of them.

Next up was James Doyle. A terrific chap by all accounts and a superb ambassador for the sport. It turns out he has even more charm and charisma than I ever imagined as he managed to worm his way out of a huge holiday with a convoluted explanation as to why odds-on favourite No Retreat didn't win the 1m2f maiden at Windsor on Monday evening. He should have been off on a 28-day retreat.

In fairness to Doyle, he said all the right things. He pointed out that he was on an inexperienced horse having only his second run and introduced words like 'lugging', 'wobbling' and being spooked by the winning line. He reminded us that horses aren't machines. Fair point, James, hence you can't ease down on them as they might think they've done enough.

Anyway, the stewards must have believed every word he said as he escaped without any punishment whatsoever. It's lucky Aristotle died when he did, because if he had been alive in 2024 and not departed in 322 BC he would have met his match in the Doyler. This was applied equine philosophy, a language most of us will never understand.

Banning jockeys and stopping them from making a living for 28 days is not something I would ever promote, but the problem we have now is that Doylegate has opened up such a colossal can of worms that closing the can is going to prove an awfully arduous task.

If stewards start accepting excuses like the one given by Doyle, where does it all end? The next jockey who eases down and gets caught will have their tale of woe written and rehearsed and will be ultra-prepared for sitting in front of the stewards. Expect words like wobbling and lugging to form part of the script and you can bet your bottom dollar that being spooked by the winning line will be in there too.

That brings us to the concluding 7f handicap at Kempton on Wednesday night, a mere 48 hours after Doylegate. This time it was Callum Shepherd who dropped his hands for one single stride on Thorntonledale Max and got 18 days for that split-second.

Callum Shepherd: the Royal Ascot-winning rider has had a rollercoaster season
Callum Shepherd: 18-day ban after being caught napping at Kempton
Credit: Alan Crowhurst
To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure that split-second made any difference to the outcome as surely the momentum of the previous stride carried Thorntonledale Max to the line. The subsequently much-debated photo-finish revealed a dead-heat and you wonder whether Shepherd would have been suspended at all had the furore not unfolded at Windsor earlier in the week.

Harsh as it seems, the only way to stop this recent scourge on the sport is to issue lengthy bans for incidents like Shepherd's. That's the only way to curb this disturbing new trend.

Don't forget it was only April of last year when Pat Cosgrave's smooth flight on Concorde turned into the bumpiest landing of his life when he tried to showboat on George Boughey's gelding at Chelmsford and was made to look a right pillock by My Roxanne, who sneaked up his inner to score by a nose.

Four similar incidents in 16 months is four too many, never mind three in three weeks. It's gone beyond a joke. We need to create a culture where riding out to the line is one of the most fundamental aspects of being a jockey. And, by that, I don't mean hitting a horse when he or she is 20 lengths clear. It is merely a case of pushing every horse out until a stride past the line. Simple.

Talk to any young pony rider and they will tell you the two things that are instilled in them from day one is that the start is your problem and you ride out to the line. It is like five-year-old kids learning the alphabet in their first few weeks in school. It's A, B, C stuff and yet here we are with seasoned pros not getting the simplest things right.

It’s funny, there are all these recent cases in Britain of horses not winning when they should have because of showboating in the saddle, but it is hard to remember any incidents in Ireland. The only one that springs to mind was Davy Russell on Rebel Fitz in the 2012 Galway Hurdle. He began celebrating a stride or two before the line and was almost caught by Cause Of Causes. He held on by a head, and I’d say he still gets cold shivers down his spine when he thinks about it.

There was, of course, Roger Loughran on Central House in a Grade 1 chase at Leopardstown back in 2005, but that was different. He mistook the winning post for the end of the rail. That wasn’t showboating.

It makes you wonder whether this is a British problem rather than an Irish one. That said, there are a lot more races so it is only natural that it happens more often over there.

But, the thing is, it shouldn’t happen at all. This is one area of the sport where we should be adopting a zero-tolerance approach. It is hard enough to win races for an owner, a trainer, and a punter, and to throw victories away in the final few strides is unacceptable and should be treated as such.

My proposal would be to introduce a 40-day ban for any jockey who eases up in the closing stages and loses a race he or she should have won from the start of 2025. That would surely be a suitable deterrent. We need to do something drastic, that's for sure. It's becoming an all too common occurrence.

fo0kin nonsense.

a 40 day ban for Shepherd would be grossly unfair.

Human beings make errors of judgement with more than a split second worth of consideration afforded to jockeys.

Need to be careful the sport doesn't hang the individuals from the nearest lamp post just to placate the media/screaming skulls on a forum.

Jennings is a media puppet.

Some people just make mistakes.40 days loss of earnings with
prize money percentage,bit over the top to me.The D/Heaters
never actually lost their races.

Jockeys are up before the sun rises riding out, travelling to courses up and down the country attempting to cover afternoon and evening meetings sustained with just a water biscuit and a sip of water to keep their weight in check.

'Working' 7 days a week (how many hours do these guys put in ffs) and having to keep their critical faculties at 100% optimum level.

Then some fat barsteward like Jennings (who look like he's not skipped breakfast this millenium) to advocate they lose 40 days income because he says it happens too often

WAC

Jennings should be made to apologise to those that keep him gainfully employed iso that his waistline is amply nourished while they are often suffering all kinds of problems least of which is often psychological issues that lead to all sorts of self imposed abuse.

absolute melt that ****

Jockeys make a lot of sacrifices but they wilfully opt for that life as opposed to a regular joe job. That's kind of irrelevant.

None of the recent ones were showboating however. Coincidence that we had three in short succession, but it's only really a story as Doyle bizarrely escaped sanction.

No great fan of Jennings, but at least he has tried to address the situation. If you put a number on something there's always someone who is going to get upset. It's either too harsh, or too lenient. It has to be strong enough to mean something.

Not banning Doyle was a clear mistake, and I'm not sure why that couldn't have been put right. The Stewards on that night clearly didn't know what they were doing and should be stood down themselves until they have a clear grasp of what is expected.

The Stewards in general just haven't been doing their job properly over many years, in fact have they ever done it properly? That's why it may seem like a sea change. All jocks should be riding through the line to the maximum number of places being offered. That shouldn't be impossible, but if it takes long bans to encourage them to do this then so be it, and all jocks should be treated equally with no get outs for the top dogs.

Train drivers have driven through red lights, bus/lorry drivers have driven into bridges lower than their vehicle height, pilots have crashed into mountains, jockeys have lapsed concentration yards before the jamstick.


Do they all do it purposely?

Unless it's crooked, a suicide mission we have to make allowances for human frailties.

In my industry you get severe fines for an error. The only professional area where miscreants get away scot free (often promoted) is the public sector.

40 days, 50 days, 100 days, even a life ban won't stop it. In all levels of life people have and people will, make horrendous mistakes.

The only professional area where miscreants get away scot free (often promoted) is the public sector.

making an honest mistake definitely doesn't make you a miscreant [an unlawful, deliberate action]

The worst case for me this year of those victims of miscreancy was the Dill** pulling of a hoss that should have won IMO.


worlds apart from instances that fatboy Jennings wants classing as hanging offences.

A miscreant is:
Someone who behaves badly or does not obey rules
A person who has done something wrong or illegal
One who behaves criminally or viciously

No point in getting bogged down in semantics. Jockeys know they have to ride out to the line and achieve the best possible placing. Some of them don't and then face sanctions for breaking the rules. Well, most of them!

A ‘Rolex Ripper’ who broke his elbow trying to grab a £50,000 watch in Mayfair has walked free because of prison overcrowding.

Walid Raoul, 30, attempted to steal Mark Beard’s Patek Phillipe Blue World Time watch from his wrist on Grosvenor Street, London on 8 June 2024.

Mr Beard was walking back to the Connaught Hotel in Mayfair, with his wife Annli when Raoul and another man pounced.

While Raoul tried to get the watch, a second man tried to get his gilet before breaking Mrs Beard’s finger trying to steal one her rings.

Raoul and Mr Beard fell to the ground and began wrestling on the floor before the thief managed to run away.

But he fell over with the watch in his hand and was physically restrained by Mr Beard and several nearby security guards.

Raoul has nine previous convictions for 14 offences – including a conspiracy to commit robbery conviction in 2013.
Mr Beard was wearing a blue Patek Phillipe World Time worth £50,000

differentdrum  Aug 24 22:35 


Not banning Doyle was a clear mistake, and I'm not sure why that couldn't have been put right.

The Stewards in general just haven't been doing their job properly over many years

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agreed.

Instead of slagging the stewards and Doyle, those of you armchair pundits should get an eyesight test. Whatever words Doyle used described what happened with his mount and if you can dispute that from the evidence of the stills shown in the RP then like fat boy Jennings you also need some objectivity and stick with facts rather than conjecture!!