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Not trying to justify it, or say it’s ok.
I just meant that if you showed me that video yesterday, and told me this is a horse being trained for dressage or showjumping, I wouldn’t have felt in any way traumatised or sickened. I certainly wouldn’t have felt the need to phone the RSPCA. Just would have assumed it was standard practise, nobody seemed to be particularly outraged in the video, there are clearly other people present. There seems to be some sort of rivalry, or something going on behind the scenes between the British and the Dutch horsey people. This isn’t just somebody concerned about animal welfare, it’s somebody out to ruin a person. Given the reaction to it though, I’m more convinced now more than ever that racing is finished. All equestrian and animal based sports are in serious trouble imo. |
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What the likes of ITV racing/Racing Post etc want you to believe is that race horses have a 5* life and nothing is too much trouble when the reality is that they are likely in their box the majority of the time because of the risk of injury. Likewise the apologists for the whipping here have been fed the narative that if you don't understand horses don't question it. It is totally unacceptable to do this and the fact that some people are saying that they thought it would be worse just shows how wrong things are.
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I was expecting it to be like one of those chained up dancing bears.
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using the longwhip/bullwhip down at the start in racing is banned,it might not look bad but as mentioned above itv,chamberlain,oily,fitzy etc etc have told us 24/7 this doesnt take place 5 star luxury spa,s for horses etc
their getting hoistered by their own petards , as it were |
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There'll be more outrage about this in the commentariat than the soldier getting savaged down in Kent.
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and the soldier will get more coverage than the plebs shot dead in london,who,ll get more coverage than the plebs gun downed in teesside etc,etc
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plebs shot dead in London? you need to be a bit more specific. not sure about the ones in teesside either. i don't think there's too much sympathy for feral thugs who are trying to take each other out.
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I also did think it was going to be far more severe than it was.
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I have to agree with Joe. Anyone coming on and saying it wasn't as bad as they thought it would be are in effect defending it, or at least belittling the importance. Wonder if the same names cropped up with previous incidents - the likes of Todd and Elliott. Same with the comparison with other events. Each is important in it's own way. It doesn't make whipping this animal any less important. Plenty of opportunity to condemn them all.
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My question would be, how do all the other trainers who train horses to compete in dressage teach their horses to pick their feet up or dance or whatever, do it?
I would like to see a video of someone else doing it the correct way because I'm wondering whether they all do it just as she did. |
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Remember bull whip being used for Or Royal in Call Equiname's Champion Chase , it was cracked a bit harder , but behind the horse as I recall , it was a long time ago .
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Paul Nicholls will be saying "you can see why I didn't want Kauto Star doing dressage". Good call Pumpkin. Agree with duffy, how the hell do they get a horse to dance to music? Also the whipping in the video was just irritating that horse which it showed by bucking and kicking out at the whip, can't see the point of what she was trying to make it do, certainly wasn't going to make it pick its feet up more by what she was doing surely.
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As long as the horse was enjoying it, what's the problem?
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Disgraceful and utterly cruel. Would like to see the bitch prosecuted for animal cruelty and lifetime ban from 'the sport'. Frankly Would quite like dressage to be outlawed. IMO not natural for equines. Also revoke her 'gong'!
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doesnt the footage prove that once youve trained the horse a bit like the horses at treking centre,the rider on top doesnt matter ,the horse is on auto pilot no,s its way around the trek/dressage blindfolded
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1tp, Of course just like racehorses the ability is 99% with the horse not the jockey. But racehorses, warm bloods, dressage etc are finely bred animals and they still need an experienced pilot, however they aren't all the same (like humans). The cliched treking centre pony is like a 15 year old ford fiesta compared to a Porsche in dressage etc. Of course this is an over simplification as you could get a lively trekking pony and a more dosile warm blood. The skill in dressage/racing is the training and harnessing of the raw ability and I'd suggest that what's shown in the video is like ragging the porsche around a bit. True horsemen/women don't do this, yes they have aids to assit but to coax and encourage not punish and force. Like I've said earlier I wonder what Gary Witheford would think. Have a look at him in action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_A1rRRTxiw |
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.... Why are the RSPCA taking no action. ?? .... Probably because there was nothing wrong ( legally )
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prsonally i didnt see much into it myself, were all on here cursing a jockey on a horse youve backed when getting beat a head for not hitting him a few more times etc etc , but to see Alice Plunkett on itv this morning
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... Exactly, what about the poor Dancers on SCD being mistreated ??? Probably the same crowd making all the fuss.
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desperate fame and money-hungry C-list celebrities getting thrown about, verbally abused and kicked have the choice to walk away. Horses don't.
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What do the rspca make of this OUTRAGE Swifty. ??
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Think they're waiting to see what the FEI discover. They'll have seen plenty of similar videos, it wasn't a one-off with Dujardin as she claimed. Prosecutions eat up their money, they spend it better getting ill-treated animals to safety when possible. Sadly the laws in this country are still incredibly weak regarding animal protection from cruelty from their owners in this animal-loving land we live in.
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Yes we had Gary Witherford down in his early days , what a breath of fresh air . The most worrying thing for me about the video was the sense of nonchalance and almost ' this is what we do ' air about it . One off ? It certainly doesnt give that impression .
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real horsemanship in olympics was when you had the modern pentahlon and i think show jumping back in the day,when in final they had to ride each others horses, so if you had a bit of a wildfire you could get round ,you were £,s in when the others tried to coax him around, in the modern pentahlon which had a show jumping round they used to draw lots to see which horse you got and they always had a few known rouges you might draw
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