Craziness at Thirsk - skulduggery even

I'd agree, it's clearly one by more than a length but they do it on time these days.

chunky bet = 8 quid.

Yep, I'm disgusted.


Of course the second has to run a stormer too with the rest beaten miles

Can I ask j foxxx who the bet was with? I had one a while ago, think it was 5L or more, and looking at it thought I should have landed the bet too but it was deemed as a loser

it won by 1 1/4L

#FACT

Yeah it was on here, so I think I even fell foul of the MORE than a length as opposed to a length or more.


Also, I do know they do it by times but I rarely see ones that are clearly 1.25 moved back to one length.

They measure the distance in pixels now and it probably won by one pixel short of 1 and a 1/4 lengths so officially it is 1 length.

Haha, thanks for rubbing it in Mac.

I have watched it 3 times J F and I agree with you, it looked a winning bet.

I would feel the same as you do. Unlucky.

I just bet the Skelton odds on shot and it got brought down after two hurdles. I feel your pain.

You just have to forget about these things and move on. Good luck.

They count the tail.

winner's time 1m 38.49s
2nd's time: 1m 38.66s
0.17s diff

6lps on g/f ground on the flat

6 x 0.17 = 1.02
rounded to 1l

no issues whatsoever

Good maths Wonder but if you think that distance was 1.02 lengths you need to start questioning it!!


I'd be more than happy to take my lumps but I've rarely seen one called so badly when presented with the evidence of ones eyes!

Yep, they round it down. Well explained W.

Looked more than 1.02 lengths indeed.

All done by time foxy...

A judge calculates the distances based on the elapsed time between each horse. Then a scale known as the lengths per second scale (Lps) is used. The length-per-second measurements can vary depending on: Flat Racing National Hunt Jump Racing Type of surface in use at the all-weather fixtures Official going description issued on the day

Yeah I knew that and accept that it's the method used Hayden.


Just rarely seen it so 'off' with the visuals.

Jun 7, 2024 -- 3:06PM, j foxxxx wrote:

Good maths Wonder but if you think that distance was 1.02 lengths you need to start questioning it!!I'd be more than happy to take my lumps but I've rarely seen one called so badly when presented with the evidence of ones eyes!

the length of horses differs so what is "1 length" for 1 horses isn't the same as 1 length for another
its an average

0.02s more & its 1.25l so its fine margins

strong tailwind in the home straight today so horses will be slowing down slower than normal...so that's a factor also

Thanks for all the supporting info chsps.

It's also nice that I'm finding new and exciting ways to lose

looks more than a length to me, regardless of what the clock says

Cheers Hulk, says it all really.

do a cut & paste bringing the 2nd horse's nose to the winning line (as if its a photo finish)

you'll see the 2nd is the length of the winner + the winner's tail

then refer to my 3.17pm post

So if that ar$e to that nose has been calculated above at 0.02 lengths - how big is the horse??? 50 times that gap????

fox, u need to ignore hulk and listen to wonders, it's got zero bearing on what you see and is calculated on the clock, it can be adjusted by code (as in flat/jumps) going etc but in essence it's a time distance calc and nothing to do with the eye

But guys, I'm accepting the timings explanation. I know that's the method used. I'm just bemoaning my luck by posing the question "When have you ever seen that called 1 length and not 1.25 lengths.

Because let's face it, the calculations on the timings are done for a reason and they usually match up with the naked eye's opinion over these sorts of shorter distances.


Wouldn't you have thought you were up had you done the bet?

nah, elise be sitting there thinking it's a length.  cos he's an expert

you're not an expert in anything hulk and as for calculating we have seen your 108  padi maths and are still laughing

https://www.britishhorseracing.com/faqs/how-does-the-judge-calculate-the-distances/

there's a link on there to the adjustments for ground etc if you want to have a look fox

In truth he has bet a Certain Horse to win by more than a Length , the Distance it has won won by is more than a Length of the named horse ,Regardless of Times or Horse size

its not far off 1.5 Lengths of the Said horse ,and he has still not Collected

well sed case

as for calculating we have seen your 108  padi maths and are still laughing

still dining out on that elise ?  remember, you read it and didn't see anything wrong.

then climbed on the bandwagon when someone else pointed it out.  wac

and i told you back then go read the thread and you'll see you were wrong on that too, you're just not bright enough

we'll add your lack of understanding of winning distances to your thicket file

Don't think anyone will deny that visually it's won by over a length , only problem is that visual is the incorrect way to determine so counts for nothing.

If the 2nd Bigger Orse had won by the Same Distance , that would surely be more than a Length

So he has no Drawn because he bet a smaller orse than won by a 1.25 Lenghts

I suggest anyone playing these bets does not get involved if its a small orse TBH

Just back the horse to win.

What if there was an Extremely Big Orse that Won by Just under a Length Would that be a Winner ?

Holy Roller, widely considered to be the biggest racehorse ever, stood 18.1 hands

this is the Type of horse you want be on in these distance type Bets IMO

Much to do about nothing. Winning distance calculated the same as every other winning distance today.

Stood 18 hand but only 3ft long

Imagine the Bet was available on Course , People seeing that Photo , Going to Collect and Being Told you have done your Money be a Riot

Is that true Penz

did it travel with a Step Ladder ?

No,just extra long stirrups.

Yep

For quite a long time the word 'length' has not been an accurate term for what is actually measured - they should say winning 'time gap calculation' instead, but then no-one would understand it!

Not sure why they couldn't just go back to doing it visually though, then it really would be 'lengths' when the winner crosses the line - though a bit trickier for longer gaps to calculate, so could do it just for say up to 5 lengths or so.

The word length implies the length of a horse - but it isn't used that way.

lol case!

That redefines the term 'length'

Foxy should send that Pic to the Customer services and Ask what happens with Very long horses