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? marks around city of troy he may bounce back but around 3s not for me ,already on ancient wisdom at around 18 ish on here and happy with that but cant put it up now at around 6/1 .plenty with chances but i like one or 2 at bigger prices and tho a bit of an outsider BELLUM JUSTUM interests me the yard has had plenty of placers at big prices in this in recent years and this step up in trip should suit .had soid 2yo form getting better race by rave and won his maiden beating last weeks sprint winner inisherin who also ran a cracker in the gns . bellum justum won the epsom derby trial cosily and looks the type who does enough, nothing spectacular but one to have on your side if the going gets tough ,should keep progressing and could outrun his odds here ,ocean up and around 25/1 ew 4 place bog could be worth a pop.
SEKLECTION BELLUM JUSTUM 25/1 BOG EW 4 PLACES GOOD LUCK OPINIONS ENCOURAGED.
SEKLECTION BELLUM JUSTUM 25/1 BOG EW 4 PLACES GOOD LUCK OPINIONS ENCOURAGED.
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Good luck Foyles, always a good read… I’ve stuck my pin on euphoric at the price, cheers…
Just getting harder and harder for us punters i mean where do you start with The Derby?
thanks colop and good luck with yours youd have to give dancing gemini a chance as well but just 20 days to get over the french gns is not ideal .
Yes, total guess work re the Fav. Hopefully I can get a better price today on Ambiente Friendly. That was a convincing Lingfield trial winner.
it was, but then the fav hacks up by 10 lengths and you feel like a noob b'cos the trainers been telling everyone it's the best horse he's ever seen. even though it was beaten half the track in the guineas and you couldn't go anywhere near it.
If City Of Troy had won the 2000 he would odds on today.
I can forgive horses a bad run.
O'brien's record speaks for it self. Pull the Jolly out and its a lottery. No stand out nag in this field for me.
If City Of Troy Bolts up not sure you will get 3/1 again in its career.
Just hope that Idiot Acey dont go on here claiming its a certainty or Jinx it ffs. Guy is fookin useless n so full of it!!
I can forgive horses a bad run.
O'brien's record speaks for it self. Pull the Jolly out and its a lottery. No stand out nag in this field for me.
If City Of Troy Bolts up not sure you will get 3/1 again in its career.
Just hope that Idiot Acey dont go on here claiming its a certainty or Jinx it ffs. Guy is fookin useless n so full of it!!
Plz Rico or Someone on here explain to this doughnut i am a different person.
Duh You really are Stupid Acey.
Duh You really are Stupid Acey.
Haven't heard it mentioned much, but isn't it 30 years now since they moved from Wednesday to Saturday?
Good luck Foyles. I thought Chief Little Rock gave the form of yours a big boost when it won well next time out, but you're never sure how fit an O'Brien one is first time out even though it went off odds on. I don't think Bellum Justum got a mention on ITV Opening Show. Probably another positive.
My strong advice is no bet , it'll save all the inevitable moaning post race 
thanks the wire also on ancient wisdom ,looks an open race revolving around city of troy he may win but enough doubts for me to swerve plus the price makes no appeal to me. if anyone can get him back aob would be the one but even if he does win there are places up for grabs
The Epsom Derby, a prestigious horse racing event, used to be held on a Wednesday for most of the twentieth century. However, the tradition of running the Derby on a Wednesday came to an end with the 1994 renewal, which Erhaab won. Since then, the race has been scheduled for Saturday afternoons. The decision to move the Derby from its traditional Wednesday slot was met with mixed reactions, with some considering it a mistake or even a catastrophic blunder.
So thats one person on the forum who actually thinks COT can win the Derby ( Mat22 ) thats fair enough, but come 4-35 I will put that number slightly higher. ! 
Its what we do.
PS, Acey you are wrong ( again ) about Mat22.
Its what we do. PS, Acey you are wrong ( again ) about Mat22.
Funny race as its always guesswork to some extent
with course, and distance unknown to so many of
the horses.
I was surprised to see Kamboo entered as I thought
it would come out in some mile or mile 2 handicap
and dot up as well backed Fav.
What's it doing in derby?
50p ew on the chance it's a good un at 110
with course, and distance unknown to so many of
the horses.
I was surprised to see Kamboo entered as I thought
it would come out in some mile or mile 2 handicap
and dot up as well backed Fav.
What's it doing in derby?
50p ew on the chance it's a good un at 110
Good luck Foyles.
Went for the top weight Ambiente Friendly eachway
Liked the way he skipped around that bend at Lingfield and then the acceleration from the 10f mark to put the race to bed.
Epsom + 12f won’t be an issue.
Not worried about the negatives i.e.
Maybe too keen…Havlin is experienced enough to keep him calm going down to the start and then you have the bigger field & stronger pace to help him settle during the race.
And the form with Ancient Wisdom who beat him 5 lengths at Newmarket.
That was only AF’s 2nd lifetime start…it’s a little unfair to hold this against him because he could’ve easily have turned around that difference between then and now.
Went for the top weight Ambiente Friendly eachway
Liked the way he skipped around that bend at Lingfield and then the acceleration from the 10f mark to put the race to bed.
Epsom + 12f won’t be an issue.
Not worried about the negatives i.e.
Maybe too keen…Havlin is experienced enough to keep him calm going down to the start and then you have the bigger field & stronger pace to help him settle during the race.
And the form with Ancient Wisdom who beat him 5 lengths at Newmarket.
That was only AF’s 2nd lifetime start…it’s a little unfair to hold this against him because he could’ve easily have turned around that difference between then and now.
had a fiver each way (first 5) on the 2 balding runners ridden by Murphy and marquand both decent jocks and both nice prices
What's the prediction written on the well at the local pub by the gypsies? People say they have "the gift" but what they don't realise is that they've been up all night studying form and pedigrees.
Can't pick anything on form myself but...
Friend of mine passed away recently with surname of Macduff
Good lad, drinker and punter who owned horses with local Somerset trainers
He'll do for me
Friend of mine passed away recently with surname of Macduff
Good lad, drinker and punter who owned horses with local Somerset trainers
He'll do for me
Doesn't matter how you pick them if they win , good luck Reg
Interesting to see if something gets away from the front and stays there. Certainly seems to be a benefit there this week to be up with the pace.
My strong advice is no bet , it'll save all the inevitable moaning post rac
Have to have a dabble on the Classics!... Cant remember ever going a season without at least one winner.. I'm not a professional like what you guys are though.
Jun 1, 2024 -- 2:29PM, MJK wrote:
Interesting to see if something gets away from the front and stays there. Certainly seems to be a benefit there this week to be up with the pace.
Just after I say it Royal Scotsman makes all
LA has his pace setter from the last race to work for him. Unbeaten, improving and looks like he will get the trip. In a funny race he looks ok at 6-1.
My choice this year will be Dancing Gemini. Good luck all.
quite like euphoric will appreciate the slower ground and certain stayer although aidan's 3yos don't seem to have got going yet
City of Troy... Aiden thinks it's godlike that'll do for me.
If that`s good to soft then I`m a Dutchman. Looks Soft.
Been told by the ladz C.o.T will win half the track...take what msy outs that... gl.all
Good luck all. May the best horse and rider win. And all stay safe.
LA is a dodgy walker. Look at his right front leg? He walks like someone with MS.
Dallas Star: looks soft enough. Won the Ballysax. If Ballydoyle roars back to form and takes the first three places then so be it; that's the risk we have to take.
The BHA's shiny new Premierisation initiative has really given the Derby space to breathe, with a full 10 minutes between the Hexham 4.15 race finishing and the Derby, which has to be over and done with by the 4.38 at Doncaster.
what is the point of the 2-4pm window if the big race is 4.30pm?
I think he never seen Moore on inside but wouldn`t have won anyway. Winner is a star indeed.
Havlin lol what a clown.... Aiden hardly a genius.. put away two guineas winners he didnt train or have fit lol ..
Getting a little tired with being teased like that lol.
I think AF was going too well and Rab didn’t push on.
I think AF was going too well and Rab didn’t push on.
Might be Derby, but same old shoight we see everyday - Dobbs and Havlin riding 
Jun 1, 2024 -- 4:36PM, themightymac wrote:
Great ride Rab. Just beat by a better horse.
spurning the fresh ground, cantering to 2 out...woeful
from box 6 as well criminal to be wide in the straight
Havlin i think would have been second regardless but still was awful stuff. Wtf was he thinking?
Couldnt ride a rocking horse Rab lol.
Delighted for him.. Calem woulda gave ya a run for your money but half the track like the ladz seeeeeddddd ;)
Delighted for him.. Calem woulda gave ya a run for your money but half the track like the ladz seeeeeddddd ;)
Wow! What can one say? I'm so glad for the horse, and AOB. He's been vindicated again!
possibly 2nd best anyway but shepherd jocked off for that is embarrassing
Vindicated lol.. he trains them on the race course .. no clue ..can t get a horse fit at he for seasonal debut lol... hardly great training..just has the bloodlines...
Has Rab Havlin ever won a race at Epsom? I could not see one but I only went back to 2013. He's only had one Epsom ride in the last five years. Ironically a worse Epsom record than Callum Shepherd who was jocked off.
Agree with Wonder...embarrassing for connections ..Rab falls asleep on top... motion must have have lulled him to nod off tbf could happen anyone lol..
I thought that was City Of Troy as the horse was on the extreme end; I did not know whether it was stall 1 or stall 16. But, this was the true City Of Troy; AOB made a horlick of training him for the 2000G.
Exactly ... if ya cant get a horse fit fto that is a blueblood in the biggest race ...what is the point of your job ...you have failed...twice in a row...he s no Henry Cecil
Voyage a bet next time?....first past the post in the Derby not a bad run 
City of Troy won from stall 1 but Relentless Voyager has just done the same over the Derby trip. It's not a big deal.
Durby winner 2 seconds Faster than a 4yo Carrying 6 pounds more in a Handicap race , What does weight for age work out as ? Plus would imagine the track would be slower after the Durby Horses had ploughed
through it ?
Time and Speed Experts Required , Where would Relentless Voyager have finished in the Derby ?
On level Weights What Price a Match COT v RV same track and distance
No over boiling in stalls involved ?
through it ?
Time and Speed Experts Required , Where would Relentless Voyager have finished in the Derby ?
On level Weights What Price a Match COT v RV same track and distance
No over boiling in stalls involved ?
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