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13 Apr 24 17:54
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What stops him now?

With the obvious firepower at his disposal, it's in the bag. The only variable would be if he didn't try, which doesn't look to be the case.
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Report impossible123 April 13, 2024 6:17 PM BST
I thought about it just prior to the Aintree meet. I think he was about 3/1, and about £500k down. And, given his firepower in The National plus his goodies in Gp1 races it would have been an astute bet. Nevertheless, he still needs to turn up or win a few next week esp at Ayr and Sandown.
Report CagliariG April 13, 2024 6:21 PM BST
Maybe a Jewish terrorist posing as an Islamist dressed as a drag singer Cider?
Report formoftheace April 13, 2024 6:23 PM BST
Shocked
Report Manoleeds April 13, 2024 6:37 PM BST
Proabably depends what he wants to run at Punchestown
Report Cider April 13, 2024 6:54 PM BST
I actually looked at it on the day that the cheltenham festival kicked off, impossible! was trading around 20s. One senses that the brains trust there have been considering it for a good while, and now he has banked the national, they will be very focused on it.
Report CagliariG April 13, 2024 6:56 PM BST
Are you claiming a win as opposed to doing your small brain on an Islamist terrorist?
Report Hayden April 13, 2024 7:02 PM BST
Yes Cider someone said earlier when interviewed after the National he did mention the trainers championship without being prompted , which is obviously significant but pretty obvious now as well.

Amazing to think how many races he's won compared to PN   Happy
Report Cider April 13, 2024 7:07 PM BST
Definitely obvious, he was 9/4 to win the national today, which was a better price than this was trading. He had to win the national I felt. Now it's in the bag, I don't feel like the market reflects that he is almost certain to take it now (in my view).
Report impossible123 April 13, 2024 7:24 PM BST
I thought I heard 1/2 to win this now. Wow! 20's prior to Cheltenham. I remember he sent his battalion one year but came unstuck at Sandown. Then withdrew his charge (the fav) in the next, and went back to Ireland. But, he did give it a good go though.
Report Cider April 13, 2024 7:38 PM BST
Yes that was very cynical. The dynamics are a lot different now.
Report elise April 13, 2024 7:44 PM BST
i was just trying to see how big a gap it was, it's not that big a lead for wm but i may have mis calc'd, skelton could make it v close at ayr tho
Report Cider April 13, 2024 7:46 PM BST
The unthinkable is now not only thinkable but almost inevitable, as Willie Mullins looks set to conquer two nations in one season.

The 17-time champion trainer in Ireland is now 8-13 favourite (from 13-8) with Ladbrokes to emulate Vincent O'Brien exactly 70 years ago by becoming British champion trainer, as a second Grand National triumph with I Am Maximus saw him rocket to the top of the table by £52,807 from Dan Skelton.

The Mullins earnings in Britain now stand at £2,874,693 as he added the richest prize available in jump racing to the four Grade 1s already annexed at the meeting and the nine winners he had at the Cheltenham Festival last month.

Mullins mania has taken over the big festivals this spring and he now has his eyes on the smaller ones too. Merely minutes after I Am Maximus had crossed the line, he was already thinking ahead.
Report Cider April 13, 2024 7:48 PM BST
About 50k ahead of Skelton and 140k ahead of PN.
Report elise April 13, 2024 7:49 PM BST
2 races at ayr wipe that on their own, obv skelton has to take them ahead of willie but not impossible
Report Hayden April 13, 2024 7:51 PM BST
I'm probably in the minority but i'd like Willie to win it myself    Happy
Report elise April 13, 2024 7:51 PM BST
staggering achievement when he's had a handful of winners
Report Cider April 13, 2024 7:54 PM BST
It's not impossible but I'd make it 1.2ish Mullins now.
Report elise April 13, 2024 8:05 PM BST
if you do then the 1.6 on here must be a massive bet
Report penzance April 13, 2024 8:07 PM BST
Skeltons got a fancied rnr in the big Sandown H'cap (£95K).
Report Cider April 13, 2024 8:16 PM BST
I'm already on at bigger elise.
Report elise April 13, 2024 8:17 PM BST
gl then, i think ayr will be eagerly awaited
Report kevo April 14, 2024 10:21 AM BST
Willie has 15 entries at the Ayr meeting.

5 in the Champion Hurdle.
10 in the National.

Sandown 13 entries in the Whitbread Gold Cup.
Report 1st time poster April 14, 2024 11:02 AM BST
plenty of entries in scots nats.ch hur but none of them frightening the front of the betting, must be targeting the under card is he ? future champion novice etc
Report Manoleeds April 14, 2024 11:53 AM BST
The RP take https://www.racingpost.com/news/festivals/grand-national-festival/we-might-s...
Report Cider April 18, 2024 3:33 PM BST
Several preliminary entries for a couple of Ffos Las heats on Monday. Only £4k races.
Report Twoboyz April 18, 2024 3:46 PM BST
He has entered 4 in a novice handicap at Ffos Las and they will all be NQ Laugh
Report Cider April 18, 2024 3:50 PM BST
It's the intent that counts. Although quite surprising that his team only sent one over for Cheltenham this week.
Report nineteen points April 18, 2024 3:58 PM BST
saturday at ayr has a strong turnout from his stables
Report Andriy April 18, 2024 4:03 PM BST
If El Fabiolo comes over for Sandown, it'll be interesting to see where Jonbon goes, if anywhere, since it's possible Gaelic will run in the open company race at Punchestown.
Report impossible123 April 18, 2024 4:06 PM BST
These entries are to lessen the chances of Nicholls and Skelton winning the races. If he keeps this up the white flag will be raised by the two English trainers. And, this is before El Fabiola turns up for the Celebration Chase. Over to you Hendo. Will Jonbon turn-up at Sandown to meet his superior who fluffed his line at Cheltenham? I hope so.
Report Cider April 18, 2024 4:09 PM BST
Sandown would be quite a challenge for El Fab to be fair.
Report Cider April 19, 2024 7:31 PM BST
from rp

Dan Skelton narrowly moved back in front of Willie Mullins in the British trainer's championship after sending out a 285-1 treble.

Skelton will go into Coral Scottish Grand National day around £5,000 clear of Mullins with one week to go following the victories of Catch Him Derry, Punta Del Este and Presenting Nelly.
Report CagliariG April 19, 2024 7:56 PM BST
And will it be the UK trainers title or still your "English" Cider?
Report impossible123 April 19, 2024 8:04 PM BST
No book for the Celebration Chase (27th) at Sandown but the Champion Steeplechase (30th) in Punchestown has Jonbon at 2/1 fav and El Fabiola at 3/1; only 3 days between the two races.

I just cannot see Jonbon doing battle with El Fabiola at Sandown.
Report roggrain April 20, 2024 9:52 AM BST
To my mind it seems wrong to determine who is champion trainer based solely on purses.

Mullins has 19 winners from 125 runners for a strike rate of 15%.

Nicholls 125 winners from 521 runners for a strike rate of 24 %.

It would be an interesting question put to the trainers themselves.

Also to find out if it's any easier to train a class 6 handicapper

than a group 1 type.
Report firstimevisor April 20, 2024 10:15 AM BST
Nicholls wouldnt have too many class 6 handicappers.

If Mullins has 5 runners in a Cheltenham grade 1 and has the first 5 home, the stats might say he had a 20% strike rate but would not be telling the full story
Report Hayden April 20, 2024 10:18 AM BST
It's as different as chalk and cheese , you have to bend / exploit the rules for class 6 handicappers   Happy
Report Manoleeds April 20, 2024 10:21 AM BST
Opening Show said Paddy has already paid out on Mullins for bets placed before a certain time
Report know all April 20, 2024 10:25 AM BST
Great Saturday racing with the mullings runners spicing it up a bit, looks like his 3 rd string today as Cheltenham, punchestown and then this today,  what a puzzle but a nice puzzle, the fire power he has is on a different level to anyone else, when he retires it will return to how it used to be, just as pipe dominated then son took over and kaput, enjoy while you can the greatest trainer we have ever seen imo
Report Hayden April 20, 2024 10:32 AM BST
Know all  Happy
Report Cider April 20, 2024 10:56 AM BST
The premise of the thread stands up I feel, Mullins has only had 1 English runner since posting (PU) and Skelton has retaken the lead after several decent winners, yet lpm is 1.33 (1.8 time of posting). I have covered my stake on the market now that it has caught up.
Report Trusty April 20, 2024 11:07 AM BST
And of course he still has 13 entered in the Whitbread, ridiculous waste of money for the owners, and a mess for the punters.
Report Cider April 20, 2024 11:40 AM BST
What if he pulls them all out if he can't 'win' again. Or can't lose Grin
Report know all April 20, 2024 12:21 PM BST
Sharjah is different class but 3 m first time a bit of a dissapointing horse overall but I hope he runs well
Report GEORGE.B April 20, 2024 12:52 PM BST
Do they even have class 6 races over jumps?
Report know all April 20, 2024 12:57 PM BST
Westport cove that’s a big price 2nd string well well
Report GEORGE.B April 20, 2024 12:57 PM BST
Apparently handicaps only go down to class 5 but...

Class 6 - National Hunt Flat Races and Hunter’s Steeplechases
Report know all April 20, 2024 1:59 PM BST
Sharjah get in, he always needed 3m lol
Report Nogoody April 20, 2024 2:05 PM BST
What he never needed was Patrick on his back.
Report Cider April 20, 2024 2:06 PM BST
Horse was magic at the last, very clever. Nearly got brought down at the first as well.
Report FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK April 20, 2024 2:07 PM BST
They stumble on that trip ( forgot horse in yard cos of age )
Form in book with top 2 and 2 half in Ireland
Disappointed with its Cheltenham run woeful
But better ground slow pace
Report firstimevisor April 20, 2024 2:09 PM BST
Sharjah a bit of a disappointing horse overall ??

This horse has won 6 grade 1s, a Galway Hurdle with top weight, runner up in 2 Champion Hurdles and has won over a million.
Report FATTIEWHITEYSLOVEADRINK April 20, 2024 2:13 PM BST
Far from it
Disappointed with its Cheltenham run
Fantastic horse
Report know all April 20, 2024 2:18 PM BST
His overall win rate was dissapointing finished 2 nd twice at Cheltenham when I was on, he owed me couldn’t believe it was a handicap had to look twice, just glad he ran well a old mullings warrior
Report racing6699 April 20, 2024 3:52 PM BST
3 out of first 5 in Scottish GN. Its just embarrassing
Report Hayden April 20, 2024 3:54 PM BST
Tina Turner
Report know all April 20, 2024 3:58 PM BST
Different class the best we will ever see,  incredible
Report Whippin Piccadilly April 20, 2024 4:04 PM BST
Super Carrots Devil
Report EastLower Gooner April 20, 2024 4:13 PM BST
Meh whatever…he ain’t got nutting entered in the Guineas Crazy
Report Cider April 20, 2024 4:24 PM BST
another rout Grin
Report Whippin Piccadilly April 20, 2024 4:25 PM BST
Majestic Carrots!
Report know all April 20, 2024 4:27 PM BST
These were going to punchestown this lot so re routed to Ayr lol
Report Hayden April 20, 2024 4:33 PM BST
Different gravy    Happy
Report Kriskin April 20, 2024 4:41 PM BST

Apr 20, 2024 -- 4:27PM, know all wrote:


These were going to punchestown this lot so re routed to Ayr lol


These ones were not good enough for Punchestown.  These are his so called 3rd raters that still win decent races in the UK

Report Hayden April 20, 2024 4:52 PM BST
Grin
Report high_lander April 20, 2024 4:58 PM BST
I remember when he was the Bumper King... those were the days
Report kevo April 20, 2024 5:38 PM BST
Willie has 25 foot soldiers entered at the Perth 3 day meeting, a few more scattered at other UK tracks.
Report Wesdag April 21, 2024 1:04 AM BST
This guy is a greedy b'stard Laugh
Report impossible123 April 21, 2024 11:00 AM BST
What's greed to someone is ambition to someone else. I hope Mr Mullin socks it to British 2nd-raters.
Report Cider April 21, 2024 11:53 AM BST
The adjective I would use is ruthless. It's counter intuitive, Willie is such an affable character in public, it's hard to believe that's fake. But there is a deeply intense clinical ruthless streak in the way the yard goes about its business. That's what this thread is about really, not selecting a 1.8 shot, anyone can do that. It was the juxtaposition between the market and Willie stating it was his objective was to win it. So, what was going to stop him...
Report impossible123 April 21, 2024 12:04 PM BST
Indeed. I admire the man, hates his bookie friendly double-talk. But, able to take that in my stride now ie I just do not back any of his charges with multiple entries except crowned champions.

I'm no friend of his owners herd-mentality either eg win at all costs including actions detrimental to horseracing and competition eg depriving other trainers of competition.
Report Wesdag April 21, 2024 12:53 PM BST

Apr 21, 2024 -- 11:00AM, impossible123 wrote:


What's greed to someone is ambition to someone else. I hope Mr Mullin socks it to British 2nd-raters.


It's called tongue in cheek.
I thought the laughing emoji would've been a bit of a giveaway.

Report impossible123 April 21, 2024 1:04 PM BST
My apology 'Wesdag'. I do not understand emoji. I think I've only sent a couple post education from a poster here.

Mr Mullins threw his toys out of his pram one season recently when he withdrew a shortie 15mins when he'd not win the British Trainer's title despite utmost effort. I hope he wins this time against un-entrepreneurial 2nd-rater trainers.
Report 1st time poster April 21, 2024 1:10 PM BST
i dont get it
theres no trophy
its a numbers game
think everyone agrees whatever numbers say ,mullins is best trainer in uk

and if its all about the prize money which the  title is,why isnt mullins sending these horses over every yr for AYR, SANDOWN etc,etc,regardless of whether he can be top trainer or not ?
Report 1st time poster April 21, 2024 1:20 PM BST
its proved one thing though the supposedly brilliant placing of horse by nichols avoiding chelt for aintree/ayr etc only works if irelands big trainers dont bother with aintree/ayr or send B team to aintree,so if it became a regular thing,would nichols owners trade getting beat at aintree/ayr for getting beat and a day out at chelt,model only works if their cleaning up at aintree and ayr
Report impossible123 April 21, 2024 1:20 PM BST
1st time is a statement thing ie I've come to your backyard, and I won. This is a distinct, definitive and utmost accolade any non-resident UK trainer could ever inflict on UK trainers and the sport.
Report DonegalPrince April 21, 2024 1:21 PM BST
If he entered a few of his Division 2/3 horses at Perth, Chepstow, West Country , Ludlow , Aintree (choosing those as being easiest to get to from Closutton) every year and split up a few more of his good horses at Ascot, Cheltenham, Newbury outside the Festival (instead of having multiple entries in Ireland in Grade 2 and 3 races), you would think he would be nearly favourite to win it every year. Hard to see him having a poor Festival in the next 5 years or so. He may get a taste for it! For example, he would probably have one of the market leaders in the Challow even if he ran the top , top class horses at Leopardstown Xmas meeting.
Report 1st time poster April 21, 2024 1:22 PM BST
suppose it depends on hendo but if skelton/nichols arnt winning graded races at chelt,at present mullins is always going to be close to winning trainers championship in furute,probably even more so with his grade one hurdlers/chasers to keep aprt next season
Report Wesdag April 21, 2024 1:29 PM BST
no probs impossible
Report 1st time poster April 21, 2024 1:35 PM BST
if mullins is still going to target sandown with a few ,you might not get past start nline but i notice MR INCREDIBLE is 33,s for whitbread,no race yesterday so likely to be one of the chosen refugees from mullins barn yesterday, only for the brave but at 33,s you dont need much on
Report impossible123 April 21, 2024 1:52 PM BST
Back Mr Incredible at your peril. The horse is ungenuine in his last two runs; the last time I said that about a horse and the equine won!
Report Cider April 21, 2024 2:02 PM BST
interest stat i just calculated. Mullins has averaged £23,519 prize money in Britain. Per runner!
Report cacique April 21, 2024 2:02 PM BST
What would stop him having a joint licence with a UK based trainer and win both of the championships for next few years?

Or was this year a one off and it will very difficult to win CH/GC/GN in one year again with all the opposition nor being able to coordinate their efforts to stop him.
Report acey deucy April 21, 2024 2:03 PM BST
Mr Increrdible should be banned from running an absolute dog....Whitbread Winner? You cannot be serious ffs.
Report kevo April 21, 2024 2:34 PM BST
Remember Labaik who refused to jump off 3 times prior to winning the Cheltenham Supreme Novice Hurdle in 2017.

Must have had some shock therapy rehab to focus his mind on the job.
Report LoyalHoncho April 22, 2024 3:07 AM BST
W.P. is all over Perth like a rash this week, as well as visiting one or two English courses, primarily Ludlow..
Report wondersobright April 22, 2024 8:45 AM BST
to have the smirk wiped off the faces of BOTH skelton & pumpkin has been the highlight of the ssn imo
Report LoyalHoncho April 22, 2024 3:09 PM BST
Bloody brilliant!  Couldn;t agree more.
Report isleham April 22, 2024 3:43 PM BST
both must struggle to lie straight in bed especially the former allegedly
Report impossible123 April 22, 2024 4:23 PM BST
I'd like to see Mr Mullins wipe the smirk off the faces of Mr Nicholls and Mr Skelton. For some reason I find these two individuals somewhat smug esp the 3rd named.
Report Hayden April 22, 2024 4:26 PM BST
In Willie we like & trust   Happy
Report acey deucy April 22, 2024 4:34 PM BST
Punters Pal thats why we loves him.LoveLove
Report impossible123 April 22, 2024 4:44 PM BST
I do not own a horse. However, even if I do I'd not send it to either Pinky or Perky; Ricci sends horses to Ms Williams. Any other trainers in the UK?
Report Cider April 28, 2024 1:39 PM BST
1 W. P. Mullins £3,326,135.16
2 Dan Skelton £2,981,418.81
3 Paul Nicholls £2,886,461.57
Report impossible123 April 28, 2024 1:51 PM BST
I'm so glad Mr Mullins gatecrashed the party late. With Hendo incapacitated (equinely), Skelton (disingenuous/money-hungry); Mr Nicholls (engineering easy-pickings/distraction off-field) Mr Mullins is a deservedly, professionally and rightful champion.
Report know all April 28, 2024 11:45 PM BST
The best ever
Report duffy April 28, 2024 11:53 PM BST
And if he wasn't already perfect enough he's also a United fan, the man is all classCool
Report impossible123 April 29, 2024 7:17 PM BST
United fan? Man U? If so, I'd allow him that indiscretion or misjudgement. No one is perfect!
Report elise April 29, 2024 7:24 PM BST
he's probably never been to manchester let alone old trafford so it makes perfect sense for him to be a utd fan, just like most of the rest
Report impossible123 April 29, 2024 7:27 PM BST
Or Shamrock Utd? If so, good taste!
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