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about time we got more synthetic tracks in the UK...
about time we got more synthetic tracks in the UK...
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hope so honcho...
racing needs to look forward... not backward... that's why the country is in such a mess imv... too many naval gazers. |
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Lingfield Derby trial…….AW or turf ?
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Why would you want to disturb the history of racing at Newmarket ?
When was Newmarket called off regarding waterlogged ground….. They already killed champions day by moving it to Ascot…… I think they should be more concerned about affordable checks for the fodder…..that could be more damaging than rain….imv.. |
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City of Troy's father (Justify) ran on nothing but synthetic surfaces from what i can see...
has that stopped top owners buying his stock or breeding from him ? of course it hasn't... he's one of the top stallions in the world now i would suggest... that argument is for the birds... laughable imv. |
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Lots of horses in Newmarket. Sensible to have an AW for them in the winter.
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Well Hibby, if Newmarket comes up soft or even worse on Guineas day and gets COT beat, all these plonkers that have been betting him at even money over the winter may well end up agreeing with you.
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there is an AW gallop in Newmarket tbh honcho...
the vast majority of horses will train on a synthetic surface at some point or other... top trainers run their horses on it regularly... it's just backward thinking to go down the 'it's not how we do things in the UK' road imv... it's just daft. |
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i just don't see ANY downside tbh honcho...
the only issue is funding imv... which is a big issue tbh... but if i was running a track it's definitely a road i'd be going down tbh. |
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There may be an AW gallop but you still have to travel horses to Chelmsford, Kempton etc in the winter. Far more sustainable and sensible to have a track where the horses are.
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Just put it to the top trainers and breeders hibb,and of course rides,past and present regarding classic races on the AW
Jesus! City of Troy could be beaten if it hasn’t trained on ……  |
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i couldn't agree more honcho.
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How many promising Type will run on the AW this season…..
Answer on a stamp please…..I mean classic/group potential…… |
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you appear to be being a bit snobbish here tbh aceform...
times move on... and i ain't just talking about tracks where classics are ran... Nottingham... Catterick... Hamilton... if you want classics or even classic trials ran on bottomless ground then fine... same at the end of the season when 2yo's are running on gluepots... i don't. |
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So we are not creating AW tracks because 1% of the horse population wont run on them?
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How many promising Type will run on the AW this season…..
--------------------------------------------------------------- might have something to do with the FACT that most flat racing during the 'flat' season is ran on turf aceform ? i notice you have refused to respond to the Enable FACT (the one you got wrong)... that's fine. |
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Snobbish no,just being honest with an opinion hibb….
AW might be good for the punter but check some of the attendance at these everyday tracks… Imagine Hamilton being turned into AW…..it wouldn’t work in a million As for Musselburgh,right hand on the level I see the point…… The Muddle brothers tried it at Lanark and got knocked down… |
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Imagine Hamilton being turned into AW…..it wouldn’t work in a million
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Yes hibb,introduced at Newcastle and two canters round Kempton……
Apology….. |
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Snobbish no,just being honest with an opinion hibb….
----------------------------------------------------- your opinion is based on the old 'we've always done it like that so why bother changing' aceform... that is 100% backward thinking imv. |
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Night Raider as short as 10/1 for the Guineas,ran twice
both @ Southwell. |
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Should be 100/1.
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Hamilton downhill undulated track hibb…..too much cost involved….they would probably go Ayr or Musselburgh…imv
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penzance 03 Apr 24 11:23
Night Raider as short as 10/1 for the Guineas,ran twice both @ Southwell. Place lay |
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that's fine aceform...
apology accepted... so you would accept Gosden is happy to run his horses on a synthetic surface then ? only exception possible being a mudlark. |
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Sometimes things in life are best left alone hibb…..classic example football,Var ffs…..utter shambles
Racing is fine imv apart from the affordable checks….. |
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There was something comfortable about the established loop when the backend few weeks of the flat were concluded with a November Handicap in the mud, signaling time to switch into jumping mode, with momentum for the next Flat season building up when the Lincoln weights emerged ( the Sporting Life used to run that competition where you had to predict the weights). I suppose one advantage of the AW programm is that it allows a yard to get a run into a juvenile that otherwise they would have kept wrapped up, not wanting them to be exposed to a testing ground Nottingham or Leicester maiden.
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Go back ten years and name classic winners that were introduced on the aw,apart from Enable…
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so today's card at Catterick will be a cracking watch will it aceform ?
watching backend 2yo maidens over 1m at Newmarket's Rowley Mile or Newbury are a great watch when it's oxygen mask time on bad/chopped up ground ? not for me... i'd rather watch horses bounce off a surface and actually finish their race off. |
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Need a track that will stand alongside the great AW racecourses of the world, the top American tracks, Meydan... and it's already built, it's called Ascot. The jumps tracks often has small fields, national hunt racing on the way down and maybe out... dig it up, and with a bit of tweaking make it left handed as per the top AW tracks w, to attract the world's best. Make Champions day a weekend, one day turf one day AW, and if the ground is heavy on the turf, transfer to the all weather. Challenge the Breeders Cup... dream. In midsummer at the Royal meeting, the jumps track is often straw coloured in any case, so the once a year celebs won't notice in any case.
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you are obsessed with this 'classic winners' nonsense aceform...
i know plenty of good horses have started their career or won their maiden on a synthetic surface aceform... don't ask me to name them coz i ain't got the time or energy to do so... but you are suggesting top trainers don't want to run their horses on a synthetic surface... utter poppyc0ck imv. |
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Racing on all types has been the norm since day one
1980 Ayr Gold Cup…..p!ssing down tatties and turnip heavy ground…. November handicap backend of the season mainly in the rain on soft and heavy…. |
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Ghanaati,1000G wnr.
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Long stride and daisy cutters,softish…..good ground….good to firm
Bath was always hard until they bowed to the anti brigade…. |
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Enable also ran on the aw at Newcastle on her debut so 3 from 3 on the surface .
The Barry hills filly a few years ago won the 1000 guineas after running at kempton Wetherby would make a great aw track |
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cant hibs and F4rty move in together Ffs..yapping on all morn nowt better to do in their inconsequential lives..
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Trainers will run at Catterick hibb if the horse wants/likes heavy ground….doubtful they will bottom the horse early doors
Remember the owner has a say…. |
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i agree jimnast...
about Wetherby. |
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aceform...
where was the 2019 Futurity ran ? |
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Ace Impact's debut was on the AW.
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The Group 1 Vertem Futurity Trophy at Doncaster Racecourse on 26 October attracted an unusual five-day entry of twelve, with Kameko matched against eleven colts from the O'Brien stable. As a result of heavy rain at the already waterlogged Yorkshire track the race was abandoned and rescheduled to take place six days later on the synthetic Tapeta surface at Newcastle Racecourse, with entries being reopened. In the new race Kameko started the 11/2 third favourite behind the unbeaten Kinross and Mogul, the winner of the Champions Juvenile Stakes and the best fancied of the five O'Brien runners. The other eight contenders included Verboten (representing Godolphin), Innisfree (Beresford Stakes) and Tammani (Prix Isonomy). The race was the first British Group 1 contest to be run on a synthetic track.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- so with the Doncaster race being abandoned due to waterlogging... Balding / APOB / Beckett / Mullins / Gosden / Haggas and Bolger ran their horses on a synthetic surface.. so it would appear these trainers (top trainers some would say) are happy to run Group 1 horses on a synthetic surface aceform. |