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One of the main reasons why the top horses are not able to run more often is the break neck gallop they set from flagfall.
The better ones go through a pain barrier that they don't want to ever again and trainers have realised this. Think how many really good ones were finished off by an insane race against another top horse. Henderson has had quiet a few and Nicholls too. Years ago horses were hunted around and only started picking up in the last mile and really going for it last 3 furlongs. Horses didn't need to be so fit and could be built up as the season went on ensuring they didn't burn out. Probably Martin Pipe changed all that really. Now it's from flag fall and horses are just not able for it and last a maximum of four seasons now with three usually the norm.( novice and two in open company). Like anything there are exceptions of course ,Native river and the like despite his gold cup finishing Might bite managed to stay somewhat competitive for another few seasons. The Irish races are somewhat inbetween in that its faster than the past but still not all out which is why they can race more often. |
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Jonbon is the horse. I'd like to see him do battle with Captain Guinness and El Fabiola at Punchestown, if he's sound. Any other race this season is a non-event to me having missed the Champion Chase.
Shishkin is 2nd fav to Gerri Colombe in the Aintree Bowl next week. |
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There must be pace stats somewhere comparing british and irish races .
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Is El Fabiolo going to run? I have no idea. He seemed to land very badly when unseating and I did wonder if he damaged his back. Henderson could have a field day at Aintree but none of them will carry a penny of my money.
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hendo is as dodgy as they come
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irishone, your point about ground is spot on. Looking at some of the swamps we have at over-watered tracks these days it is hardly surprising that UK horses only run 2 - 3 times a season. Who , for example , would be insane enough to run a decent horse in the Welsh National? Or the Schweppes? Even some of the conditions races are arduous. Sandown used to run that Agfa Hurdle in February and you could barely see a horses ears as it ploughed through sludge. You may ruin the horse for ever, never mind the season. Years ago, before CoCs were glued to hose-pipes, one might run a few times on good ground (even Good to Firm) and take far less out of a horse. I wish it weren't the case but I can see the point of ensuring horses are fresh for the big £ in spring.
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breakneck gallop
can you explain then why 99.9% of time presenter,s pundits,tipsters spend hrs every week telling us race after race is run at a crawl and is the go to fav excuse for every good horse/short priced fav getting beat 24/7, every beaten jocks/trainer 1st words to interviewer,s is they went a crawl/no pace on blah de blah |
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yeah - I remember Michael Dickinson used to complain about that all the time ...... NOT!!! ;)
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Sad to say, but too many times in the past the problems CH has had have led to horses either never been seen again, or running once more, totally flopping, and then retired.
Have a feeling history will repeat itself here. |
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I agree insofar as they often don;t come back as good as they were.
Hopefully not in this case. |
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Surely times are monitored more than ever with every furlong shown on screen so there is no excuse for anyone being wrong about pace. A wildly wrong going call could fool people but jockeys can generally assess the going after a couple of furlongs and adjust.
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Just reading todays papers
Major sewage problem in Lambourne Probably the poo getting into 7 barrows stables!!!  |
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You may think that you are joking but sewage is getting into almost every watercourse in the south of England and even into a nature reserve near where I live. Entirely possible that some water given to horses is contaminated.
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I was told last week (second-hand) that the problem at Henderson's has been contaminated water.
Just passing on a rumour, I want to emphasize that. I have no idea how true it is. |
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wont effect hendo not known for taking to much water with it
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Everyone should be buying bottled water at the moment throughout the country never mind just in the London khazi , scoffed at wife a few years ago when she banned drinking tap water and having to carry all those bottles from the supermarket.
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Plastic water bottles full of micro plastics
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Peckham Spring?
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If water purity is an issue Constitution Hill could change stable - problem solved. Similarly, Jonbon, Sir Gino and Shishkin. And, Hendo could take a sabbatical or retire.
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duffy
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Peckham Spring could be laced with ganja.
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My dog was sick about a month ago. I had kept him away from a little rivulet type stream, which came under the roadway from long established cottages etc, and which snaked down to the sea but missed him drinking some this day. It was only later it dawned on me that it was probably contaminated. Ill for a week he was, not the usual couple of days.
On a tangent but nevertheless related. Why these boat race contestants put their lives in danger this year is a madness. |
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Lets not get carried away LH. It is a disgraceful situation but most rivers in other parts of the world are at least as polluted as the Thames or any other GB river and not everyone who swims in them dies.
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"Carried away"?
Fearing e-coli is not getting carried away, it is common sense. To anyone but you it seems anyway. |
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Just a late night thought - Dogs sniff s h i t and p i s s all day long on their walks but must be the river
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Agreed, but have you ever seen them lick it?
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The last dog I had used to scoff every dropping she could find: not just the usual cowpats, but cat and dog droppings too. The day she found some human turds in the hedgerow was Christmas come early.
When we first got the dog, we thought for a while that the cat was constipated, on account of its litter tray being permanently clean. The only thing which made her ill was when she hoovered up dropped bits of burger when we went to the cricket - the onions upset her stomach. |
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You could try feeding it dog food?
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Dogs are usually fine almost with whatever , Ph of their stomach is far more acidic than that of the human stomach , particularly if they are raw fed .
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Is Constitution Hill still ok? With so many posts I'd think another set of bad news has beset the horse.
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It looks like the horse has taken a dislike to contaminated water if the streets of Lambourn are anything to go by.
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I thought he'd have a better and more robust constitution given his name - maybe not.
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or a dislike to THE LIGHT and FRESH AIR
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This thread starts with the falsehood CH had Colic and just gets wurser and wurser.
Was going to ask the question what is really going on with NH and his Seven Barrows charges , but knew it would be crazy and perhaps personal stuff so didn't bother. I don't like to knock folks when thar down and hope he can sort it all out or get someone in who can wish the stable all the best next week and hope MR Henderson enjoys the occasion. Think he got Married recently and his career stretches back a fair bit, used to go to a pub that had a picture of him on the wall looking thirty something and that was prob thirty years ago, time and tide. |
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Agree with your sentiment b&b.
I hope that Shishkin runs well Thursday, looking like a decent race. |
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Well once we know the field but yes looks like potentially one of the better bowls rain has stopped for a bit, nice drying breeze on and even chance sun is going to pop out.
Just keep the high balls low today/tommo barstool, next week looks decent. Game on. |
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The horse is munching grass without further complication. This is good news.
Also, Shishkin, Sir Gino, Jonbon and Shanagh Bob worked well. |
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to be fair if most of intended field turn up wouldnt touch shiskin with counterfiet to win this
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Is it true constitution hill has been asked to join the Betfair board,given he’s now on his holidays as Nicky says,he’s worked 1 day this year,so I presume Betfair might of asked him on the board.
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Hugely risible comment from sageform. Many thanks indeed.
Haven;t laughed so much since I was a children. |