Dr Richard Newland

My advice , for what it's worth, .......whatever your daily budget is for betting, save it in an account until a " festival meeting ".

Then you will be fairly sure that no "handbrakes" are on, and the most talented horses and trainers will generally rise to the top....OK, shorter prices, but great chances of success.

I was very lucky with my plan at Cheltenham ( thanks to WM ), and I'll now put myself  into an induced coma until Aintree....where I'll be avoiding the handicaps, and concentrating on the graded races.

Might be my downfall this year, but that's the plan anyway........gulp!

Dr newland has embarrassed himself

Wouldn't argue Jim, but when Mullins trains all 8 grade 1 winners at the DRF, and I don't know how many at Cheltenham, maybe there are some legitimate questions to be asked.
There is obviously " something " that is creating this chasm between WM and other Grade 1 aspirants.

I don't buy the reason being of his genius far above any other trainer, ...so, maybe he just gets the cream of bloodstock....maybe it's the nutrition given to his inmates....it must be a particular reason for SUCH dominance.
Maybe the horses are given plenty of Guinness in their oats .

Does anyone seriously think that Mullins and co are doping horses? One slip up, one set of loose lips and the whole thing would be blown apart. Remember when Martin Pipe was dominating racing -it was down to training not doping.

All I want to do is see the best horse at leopardstown and Cheltenham if there’s no betting opportunities then so be it there are thousands of other races I can have a bet in.

Final thought/question........if the 8 Grade 1 winning horses at the DRF were trained by ANY other trainer, would the outcomes be near the same ?.....doubt it myself.
So, there we are....mmmmm

Mano....I would never suggest that doping was the issue, ( certainly isn't that ).....but the stable dominance is unworldly.

Mar 25, 2024 -- 9:41AM, richgit wrote:

Wouldn't argue Jim, but when Mullins trains all 8 grade 1 winners at the DRF, and I don't know how many at Cheltenham, maybe there are some legitimate questions to be asked.There is obviously " something " that is creating this chasm between WM and other Grade 1 aspirants.I don't buy the reason being of his genius far above any other trainer, ...so, maybe he just gets the cream of bloodstock....maybe it's the nutrition given to his inmates....it must be a particular reason for SUCH dominance.Maybe the horses are given plenty of Guinness in their oats .

It can sometimes be put down to bandwagon jumping as well imop. People want to be involved with the flavour of the month in life in general these days.

The Dublin racing festival produced 11 winners and god knows how many placed horses at this year’s festival,trials day and Newbury super Saturday produced 3 ,there’s fortunes up for grabs at leopardstown and the experience gained racing against good horses could do no harm so instead of uk trainers and the bha moaning on about things do what Sophie leech did and have a go.

Do you think when Real Madrid won the first 5 European cups managers and supporters from the likes of Milan ,Bayern,benfica,united and Hibernian were saying ffs if there allowed in this competition they can’t play both puskas and di stefano one will have to stay at home ?

It's not like some new kid on the block has arrived and taken over in a few years! WM started training in 1988, 36 years ago! It's the experience and the team he has built up over those years that has got him to the top of the tree, must of been alot of disappointments along the way too!

I agree with RB- Show W P Mullins some respect imo. It won’t last forever, and people should be admiring his genius and what he has achieved, not looking to change the rules just to stop him.

I think WM must of been a Roy castle fan:

Dedication, dedication
Dedication, that's what you need
If you wanna be the best
If you wanna beat the rest
Oh-oh dedication's what you need;
If you wanna be a record break-er.


There will be a young trainer thinking right now if WM can do it why can't I, some people make the impossible come true and Mr W P Mullins is one of the handful.

The most cost-effective thing the BHA could do would be to give the Irish Horse Racing Board the money to build five more AW tracks in Ireland, just like in England.

See where Irish jump racing is in two decades' time then.

As regards the doping question, I think Jim Bolger hss already dealt with that.

Trouble is Newlands is not the only person to raise this possibility about Irish Racing or indeed British Racing which has
its own doping scandals in recent years lest we forget, the rest of his article about banning Irish horses altogether is bonkers.

What would Jim Bolger have to gain from coming out with his scathing comments in 2020 like "there will be a Lance armstrong in Irish racing"
the guy is in his 80s and his best years behind him maybe he had enough of being treated like a fool who knows - Ger Lyons also raised his head above the parapet in support
of Bolger - Cheltenham has just fueled these flames that something is possibly untoward and to my mind Newlands cant just be accused of sour grapes/being a loon and told to get on with it
where large sums of money are involved corruption will be there it just depends in what shape and form it takes.

Mullins is a great trainer and I find it hard to believe he is involved given what is at stake and for how long he has been training winners...

then again Liz Truss lasted 45 days in office as PM so now I don't dismiss anything out of hand

not sure why people pooh pooh drugs in irish racing when trainers/owners have already been banned for using them/covering up the use of them and bolger sent to coventry since talking about them,you can literally see de broom squirm when every year an interview tells him its amazing how your horses peak at chelt every yr,but the peak melts in about a week
the ? that people should be asking mullins is if he,s sucu a great trainer/judge etc how can he send horses to likes of chelt in same race that are beaten a furlong by his own horses look 30lb behind the winner when supposedly at home their competitive,or else why send them

on yesterdays lucky show,lucky and newsboy were discussing well known punters to them who,d complained online/forums etc ,that major nhigh st bookies had post race welched on bets with enhanced place terms etc,not because of number of starters but the number of finishes,retro fitting their rules to the amount/price  of finishes etc
has it happened to anyone on here and was there a thread on here about it that ive missed ?

Just when you thought the crookies couldn't go any lower. Still can't work out are they just totally thick to the rules or know they can continue to rip punters off with no consequences.

1st time poster

The firm not paying out because of not enough finishers sponsored a race on Friday my youngest daughter opened an account with them last week they never honoured the free bets thankfully she has withdrawn the funds so that’s the end of it.

I found this about ew bets when number of finishers was less than the places on offer
https://www.cheltenhambettingoffers.com/articles/what-happens-to-each-way-an...

The problem in Ireland itself would be worse still yet you don't hear any complaints from the Irish trainers outside of the top 4 and really they have more cause for concern than us over here, they have to deal with the dominance of the top yards week in and week out, we only really have to deal with it at top meetings.

As Kim Bailey pointed out, his prize money would put him in 5th spot in the Irish table.

plenty of big irish festivals where de broom and mullins dont turn up arnt ready,spring festivals their target and with elliott not the force he was plenty of prize money for the smaller trainers to fight over

One runner for Newland over jumps today in the first at Exeter PU.

Only a 4% strike rate with his new partner in the current jumps season.

They seem to run up to that Cheltenham winning post faster and stronger than they ever used to.

Abiding memory is Minello Indo and A Plus Tard sprinting by Frodon in the 2021 Gold Cup.

The Mullins domination is one thing but if that stopped overnight it wouldn't solve the plethora of problems facing the game over here.

Three weeks before the festival we had a 4 runner Grade 1 at Ascot where the 2nd and 3rd favourite weren't even trying to win it and merely using it as a prep race without a Mullins runner in sight, if the great man did happen to have had a runner in that race there would have been moaning that it wasn't fair.

Newland is a gob**** , anyone noticed how his runners take a walk in the market pretty often and run like drains , yet the application of money and they grow legs , he's one to be talking. Chemical didn't earn that name for nothing . If these trainers in Ireland were using drugs do you think ANY British owners would send them horses and have their names dragged through the mire ,of course not...If you go into a supermarket say like Asda you'll buy stuff cheaper , but if you want really good stuff you'd go to more upmarket ones and pay the price.
Newland will stop people buying land next because he can't afford the prices ....

didnt bother or stop godolphin employing zharooni till they got caught

or  the queen after hendo doped one of hers
the list is endless

workrider, now your here, any word on the ground re the Luke Comer carcass thing?

dr. frakenstein appears to have applied some of the mullins juice to his melon. maybe hes testing it before the horses get some

if his next winner looks like a yak we will know why

Exactly 1st , its not just a Irish thing that smells, a huge question often asked is , why didn't the BHA ban ALL the Arabs trainers after they found the Steroids as surely he wasn't the only one using them .

Doorman99 it was his Son who was charged not the Father...

Whoever, whats the story? What on earth were they doing there and so many?

You know as much as me mate..

I see Paul Nichols has decided threeunderthrewfive one of only 6 uk trained horses guaranteed to get in the national it’s better to wait for sandown.

Jimnast I think that tells you all you need to know about British racing sadly , a terrible state of affairs ..

He told the owners the sandown race would be easier to win workrider on that basis we may one day see a walkover in the grand national.

As the national approaches and the participants of the race start to crystalize this story is going to go supersonic.

Nicholl's attempts to make the most of Aintree as it's a less competitive than Cheltenhm with regards to Mullins particularly but that might not last forever.

Next season imagine if Mullins and co actually decide to come over more often with raiding party's, Cromwell has already started it and has been successful, if prize money does indeed increase rather than help the English trainers  it's going to serve to encourage the Irish over and make things a whole pile worse.

They'll have to have two different amounts of prize money, one if the Irish win a race and a greater one if an English trainer wins a race

Mar 25, 2024 -- 3:48PM, duffy wrote:

The Mullins domination is one thing but if that stopped overnight it wouldn't solve the plethora of problems facing the game over here.Three weeks before the festival we had a 4 runner Grade 1 at Ascot where the 2nd and 3rd favourite weren't even trying to win it and merely using it as a prep race without a Mullins runner in sight, if the great man did happen to have had a runner in that race there would have been moaning that it wasn't fair.

Assuming you mean the Ascot Chase, the 2nd fav won it

isnt that the point besides been primed[ whatever that means ] for chelt,90% of mullins uk raiders outside of chelt get stuffed,

Well then 1st what a edge you have there then...

Yes, I stand corrected, and in that case it's worse still, the 1st and 3rd favs weren't trying.

Perish the thought that they actually make more of an effort of winning a grade 1 they have an actual decent chance of winning rather than all the eggs going into the basket that had a far more tougher tariff. Trainers cannot complain about prize money when this practice is going on.

Perhaps connections could have dropped a few hints to unsuspecting punters beforehand that they were not going to be in with a chance of collecting.

Mullins could come over more often next year and win the Trainers Championship if he wanted to and half the prize money in Britain to go with it.

What would happen then? A ban or serious restrictions on Irish runners?

The BHA cannot allow a money flow out of British Racing like that.

Something would have to be done.

call me a cynic but i refuse to believe that 3 of the supposed worlds best NH trainers have this game of to a tee that 1 of them  can have their horses raring to go at the same time in comparrison the other 2,s horse run like drains and it all turns out nicely that each of the 3 end up getting a nice chunk of the prize money and enough winners to keep everybody happy,without any of the 3,s horses over a long period of yrs/time not been in form when as it were its their time, without something else been at play, especially as when we highlight an under par run any other time,we,re greeted with THEIR NOT MACHINES,but in these cases it seems its exactly what they are, all about opinions now where do those horses go inbetween been bought and arriving at the yds

they used to say  the same 24/7 yr after yr about armstrong, brad,froome,sky, johnson,distance runner,s etc,etc  till ergh they didnt

Dan been a prime example 1st..

Mar 25, 2024 -- 5:37PM, 1st time poster wrote:

call me a cynic but i refuse to believe that 3 of the supposed worlds best NH trainers have this game of to a tee that 1 of them

I brought this up 3 weeks ago re where they go in between. Just in case anyone thinks you just thought of it

I knew it was you MJK because you spelt off correctly  ....What did you think of my video , got called up against Bohs...

Mar 25, 2024 -- 6:11PM, workrider wrote:

I knew it was you MJK because you spelt off correctly

Great stuff. You never lost it

WR I better not put up the story about Aiden, the stable checker and the politician. Carnage no doubt....

Tim Brennan, is he still a vet and what was he up to years ago.

Does anyone know how many of the Irish trained winners/runners at Cheltenham this year were tested by the BHA?

Btw, it's not a trick question, I don't but would like to know, especially in the context of this discussion.

More than 120 Cheltenham Festival horses tested for drugs ...

The Sun
https://www.thesun.co.uk › Horse Racing › Sport
29 Feb 2024 — A WHOPPING 120 horses with entries at the Cheltenham Festival have been drugs tested in Ireland as part of a massive joint anti-doping ..

Plenty of bigging it up about how vigilant they are BEFORE the Festival,(2 weeks or so), but can't find any numbers of tests done POST race by the BHA and the findings.....seems a bit odd to say the least!!

Read that 1st 4 home are drug tested GP1s & GDE1s.

Link please Penzance

Sorry can't do links.It's a Guardian piece.
From Sept 1st year of article.

Ok, excellent memory re dates and newspaper but can't copy and paste a link from the bar at the top of your screen?!!

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First four horses in major races to be dope-tested – Talking Horses

Move is latest extension to anti-doping measures
‘This is driven by desire to enhance integrity,’ says BHA

Chris Cook and Greg Wood
Tue 27 Nov 2018 19.26 GMT
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The first four finishers in all major British horse races are to be dope-tested as part of the latest extension to anti-doping measures in the sport. The British Horseracing Authority said on Tuesday it began its new policy on 1 September and has since satisfied itself that it is able to cope with the logistical challenges of such an increased workload, compared with the previous system under which only winners were automatically tested.


Brant Dunshea, the BHA’s chief regulatory officer, announced the new measure during a briefing with members of the media intended to mark a new era of openness at the ruling body, previously associated with something of a siege mentality. “This is driven by a desire to enhance the integrity around the best quality races in this country,” he said, adding that the new testing policy will apply to all Group races on the Flat and Grade One races over jumps. “We hope all major racing nations will adopt a similar approach.

“It comes with its own logistical challenges on days like Champions Day or during the Royal meeting and there’s significant resource redistribution to make it happen but we believe it’s really important. We’re comfortable that we can do it.”

Dunshea added that, starting next year, cobalt will also be tested for as part of every test, having been included in just 10% of tests two years ago. He said the BHA’s ability to discover the presence of performance-enhancing designer drugs had also improved, thanks in part to an annual anti-doping spend of £3m.

Disciplinary cases are to be processed faster in the future as the BHA attempts to leave behind its old reputation for struggling with long, complex investigations. In support of that ambition, it recently hired as its intelligence manager Nicola McDermott, described as an expert on covert policing during her time with the Metropolitan Police.

It has also created a new role of intelligence development manager for John Burgess, a long-serving BHA investigator, who must now seek opportunities to “prevent and disrupt” corrupt plots before they take place, thereby reducing the need for reactive investigations.

As indicators of greater openness, the BHA said it will provide more information to those who find themselves the subject of investigations. Its new integrity education programme for racing professionals will be published online next year for all to see.

Can't copy & paste either.

Don't worry Penzance, Lay can't google.

Thanks Mr C but that article is 5 and a half years old. I still can't "google" the numbers tested at this years festival. and have no idea that that policy still exists given the changes within the BHA since then.

penzance 25 Mar 24 21:19 
Sorry can't do links.It's a Guardian piece.
From Sept 1st year of article.




What was the story headline as I can't find the guardian story so far and I'm a subscriber.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/nov/27/horse-racing-news-tips

Only article found in September 2023  was regarding Luke Comer.

Does anyone seriously think that Mullins and co are doping horses? One slip up, one set of loose lips and the whole thing would be blown apart. Remember when Martin Pipe was dominating racing -it was down to training not doping.

Newland is right about a few things even if the article sounds like some ramblings. The idea of banning Irish runners would utterly destroy and finish the sport. Its a bizarre opinion.

Its great the likes of Cheveley Park, Munir and Souede are called out. The onus needs to be on British owners to support domestic trainers rather than just following success. How egotistical and superficial is that?

It goes without saying that the BHA should be able to randomnly test Irish horses in Ireland if these horses are partaking in races under the umbrella of the BHA. If they cannot (I'm not sure if this is being done currently) it brings the races into disrepute.

It is not in the BHA's interest to find any major doping. They are there to promote racing as squeaky clean.

absolutely correct ^ but even for optics alone it should be done imho

Loved the last 30min reading this fred and the brain dead posts from those thinking of skullduggery

And love Racing queen last post,I'll have another Bushmills

Call me naive but I couldn't entertain Mullins having anything to do with underhanded practices, he strikes me as the nicest man in the sport, always comes across as a perfect gentleman and probably what keeps his owners happy is that he is VERY likeable, I love listening to his interviews.

And when he does get his statue it should be one with him doffing his hat as he always does at the end of an interview.

Newland is a doctor. What would he do if another doctor set up in his area and took away a load of his patients? Write to the General Medical Council and try to ban the other doc. He's a total prat!

Newland is a Jealous loser, a trainer of mediocre horses running in mediocre races who wants to drag the successful trainers down to his level which all people jealous of sucess try to do to cover their own inadequacies.
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Duffy

It’s amazing how often he will hold doors open for other racegoers gives the a smile or touches his hat if it’s a female.

Mullins was no gentleman towards Lavinia Taylor, trainer of the 2002 Hennessy winner Gingembre. She had to wait 21 months to receive the prize money, because of Mullins' incessant, whining appeals against Be My Royal's disqualification, his horse having failed a dope test. The connections of Gingembre never, ever had the satisfaction of receiving the trophy to display.

Mullins was still pursuing the matter through the High Court (unsuccessfully) three years after the race.

Age may have changed him screaming.

The race just run at Southwell was titled bet £10 and get £40 with bet mgm the powers that be don’t seem to concerned about the way they operate.

Subject was brought up earlier on the thread.

"ts great the likes of Cheveley Park, Munir and Souede are called out. The onus needs to be on British owners to support domestic trainers rather than just following success. How egotistical and superficial is that?"


The above owners do not have a problem using British trainers for their flat horses. Munir did have horses with Newland in the past

Maybe they don't have a problem because they believe there is no real difference between Britsh and Irish flat trainers at the highest level. However, strangely enough the same owners and others, seem to believe that there actually is where jump trainers are concerned.
I personally cannot bring myself to believe that there is such a disparity between the training abilities of Nicholls, Henderson, Skelton etc and the top Irish trainers.
Or is it just that the scouts for these top British trainers have faded away and the current bunch are on a par with the scouts employed by Chelsea nowadays for example?!

Btw, Richard Newland has Dr in front of his name, a title(or similar), that those on here slagging him off could only have a wet dream about having. There is no smoke without fire and people have to be very careful about what they say and how they get their point of view across without being sued for libel.

Are you the good doctor?

He doesn't come across as an educated man.

Tom Segal RP
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Paul Nicholls' cornflakes must be strewn all over his kitchen. Since the Cheltenham Festival and even before it, there has been more than the odd article about how British trainers have got complacent and have allowed Willie Mullins to take over, but if ever there was a man who would never rest on his laurels, it's Nicholls. The truth of the matter is that jump racing has become a race to the top financially and he and most of the other British trainers simply cannot compete with Mullins. 

That is no different from any other sport where those with the most money take over – Manchester City are the most obvious example – and the thought of Nicholls, Dan Skelton, Ben Pauling or Nicky Henderson being complacent is just plain wrong. Let's not forget that Henderson would have trained the favourites for the Champion Hurdle and the Triumph, and the second favourites for the Champion Chase and Gold Cup if his string hadn't gone down with the lurgy.

One of my favourite films is The Untouchables which is about the downfall of Al Capone and one of the famous Sean Connery delivered lines in it is that you can't bring a knife to a gunfight, but that is exactly what British trainers did at this Cheltenham and many before. Personally, I think the British trainers overachieved this year and Mullins underachieved. Given their respective firepower, Mullins should really have had more winners than Britain put together, but he didn't.

The question is what British trainers can do to get their hands on the top-class horses who end up going to Closutton and the answer is not an easy one. The perceived wisdom is that British trainers have to get better in their sourcing of the young horses, but it's not like the Flat where the young horses have never run. Everyone knows which of the French horses are good and who the best point-to-pointers are, and they are all going to be sold to the owners with the deepest pockets and then end up with Mullins.

Did Willie Mullins underachieve at Cheltenham?
Did Willie Mullins underachieve at Cheltenham?
Credit: John Grossick (racingpost.com/photos)
I hear it said that the British trainers have to get to these horses before Mullins, but imagine if you're a French trainer with a good horse and a Nicholls or a Skelton come knocking. What's the first thing you're going to do? You are going to offer it to the Mullins team, who will pay more. That's simply market forces and, consequently, everyone else ends up with the horses Mullins doesn't want. Would Man City be the team they are if all they got was Liverpool or Arsenal cast-offs?

The only answer is for the British owners to stop sending all their horses to Mullins and take a leaf out of the Robcour book, who don't have a single horse at Closutton but had two winners and the second in the Champion Hurdle and Gold Cup. If the double greens, Cheveley Park or Rich Ricci, who are all based in Britain, were to spread their horses out more and have a load more trained in Britain, the whole sport would be transformed instantly and be so much more competitive. You can change as many races as you want at the Cheltenham Festival but until the racing becomes more competitive, it will continue to see the number of racing fans who attend decline.

Tom Segal confirmed himself an idiot there

Hear that British owners, Sir Tom advises you to send your horses to British trainers and of course he will help out with the costs etc.

i wish one of these owners would come out and tell all these grifters who put absolutley nothing in to British racing to mind their own buisness when it comes to who they put their horses with.

what was hendo,s 2nd fav for gold ?
surely not saying.thinking  shisken would have been 2nd fav for gold cup

as no one else no,s how does segal no how much mullins pays for his horses ?

mullins has plenty lapped,pulled up,out with the washing,beaten miles never make track etc,etc is segal saying mullins pays £500,000 + for lots of those ?, its easy to concentrate on winners thinking those are ones he spent most on,how does segal/we no
as talked about before i believe mullins buyers are on a retainer to purchase so many horses a yr with no individual  price tags attached, maybe 25 horse for £10 million every year as an example

Say a breeder or a breeder's agent sold Mullins ,just saying, Quevega, Annie Powers, Vroom Vroom Mags, or a host of others. Let's say the following year's stock are ready for sale, do you offer your 3rd foal to Nichols or Skelton or Dr.Richard Newland for £200,000/£220,000 or to Mr. Mullins for £180.000 ? I know what I would do.

CROPSICK 27 Mar 24 13:26 
i wish one of these owners would come out and tell all these grifters who put absolutley nothing in to British racing to mind their own buisness when it comes to who they put their horses with.



Their money and their choice and nothing to do with anyone else.

Exactly sparrow that is what i am saying.

Haven't read through all of this but do recall one of the presenters at the Cheltenham festival whilst commenting on Mullins dominance, said that some of these graded winners that Mullins had acquired at the sales, had Nicholls as the under bidder. Saying that if the potential owners had pushed the boat out a little more then they would have been in Nicholls yard not Mullins, food for thought.
   Similarly you could say the same on the flat with the best bred horses going to Coolmore and Godolphin because they pay the most for the best horses.

Nice bit of training by the good doctor

Yes there was.

Showed a lot of patients with that.

nichols was the under bidder
wasnt what i heard from chelt,what i heard on tv from numerous presenters/pundits was that no one else gets the chance to bid for these horses,
peter scu on  lucky said he,d been round all these selleres yards in france,ire etc and those showing him round would point to horse after horse,mullins bought that one,that one,that one,wasnt offering scu anything to buy,
if you dont no what mullins is paying how can you be an under bidder ?