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An interesting discussion about it on the barstewards sunday sermon today.
Asking what was the good Dr actually saying? Then pointing out, for example, about the Sullivan Bloodstock horses such as Stormy Ireland, who was much better for Mullins than she was for Nicholls, and asking, even if Mullins is a better trainer than Nicholls, is he that much better? I'm a bit out of touch with the jumps, but had a look at Stormy Ireland's form, and RPRs in the 130s for Nicholls, RPRs before and after in the 150s for Mullins. from around 13 minutes in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_8ZplgEeEw |
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Would love to see the article.
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https://www.racingtv.com/news/dr-richard-newland-column-british-jumps-horse-racing-in-crisis
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It's not letting me copy the text but see what the barstewards are referring to now:
The paragraph starting...There seems to be an advantage in horses being trained in Ireland. It is not clear what the cause of this advantage is... Well, answers on a postcard? |
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Thanks George.
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This was Icy's response to the article on twitter
https://twitter.com/icyestretro/status/1770039938597134633 |
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Newland was on Luck on Sunday, I think he regrets the article
This was in The Sun https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/26864900/richard-newland-column-willie-mullins/ |
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Further on in the article says he's interested to hear that the BHA had embarked on a new initiative where they are involved in the testing of Irish-trained horses outside of competition.
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Dr Newland:
It was also interesting to hear the earlier BHA statement that they had embarked on a new equine anti-doping initiative where 120 Irish horses had out of competition testing carried out for the first time jointly with the BHA, rather than by the Irish Regulatory authority alone. This suggests to me a lack of trust in the Irish anti-doping approach, and maybe this reflects the 'lack of transparency' that Julie Harrington refers to in her statement. |
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In the Post there was incredulity at how W Mullins was able to be out partying until 4 am during Cheltenham week, yet still keep banging in winners like clockwork. Mullins himself said that it was because he ran his operation according to the three D's: "Decide, delegate, disappear."
Can anyone think of a possible fourth D? |
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Newland is making some great points,the Irish with their full time professional trainers are winning everything,some British trainers aren’t even full time professionals,I think one guy who’s won the national still works as a doctor and trains has a bit of a hobby.what chance have they got.
Cheltenham should have a part time trainers gold cup,to stop the Irish winning everything. No doubt mp Lee Anderson can give Newland some training tips,when they meet up for their weekly Brains trust meeting,whilst they sort the countries problems out. I think newland could easily win 10 races at Cheltenham,but he might need to actually enter a horse in a race to stand a chance.thats if his surgery isn’t too busy. |
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I tend to agree with the"barstewards"here..interesting just how quickly the"professional Irish"like Blake and mouthy Mangan chipped in with their views..
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Some British trainers are the biggest cry babies going. Wanting their competition banning because they suddenly can’t compete.
Might as well make it like sports day, everyone at Cheltenham is now a winner, just for taking part. Nobody called for changes when Nicholls had a 1-2-3 in the gold cup, Michael Dickinson still gets lauded as a genius for having the first 5 home in 1983. Show W P Mullins some respect imo. It won’t last forever, and people should be admiring his genius and what he has achieved, not looking to change the rules just to stop him. |
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As the good doctor only wants what's best for British racing I assume he'll only be buying UK bred horses in future? His grand national winner? I hear if Brazil want to play England again the English FA will insist on being able to use 12 starters....
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One small English trainer wrote an opinion piece that included deliberately pot stirring suggestions. It's not clear why that should seemingly get so many people triggered.
I think many people were underwhelmed by Cheltenham this year, as I wrote before, I believe we've long since seen the high water mark for the popularity of the meeting. Most things in life have an ark though, and quite often there is nothing that can be manufactured to reverse it once the decline begins. It's happening at the same time as most winning horses being domiciled in Ireland, rather than because of it, in my view. |
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UK jumps racing as a whole has been in serious decline for last few years now. This seasons day to day jumps stuff has been atrocious. Watching 3 or 4 runner fields playing cat and mouse on mostly heavy ground is not good viewing.
There is far too much of it. Program needs slashing, have some blank jumping days, like they often do in Ireland, and bring back day time AW. Hardly any afternoon AW racing on these days, unless it’s Lingfield or Good Friday. |
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My advice , for what it's worth, .......whatever your daily budget is for betting, save it in an account until a " festival meeting ".
Then you will be fairly sure that no "handbrakes" are on, and the most talented horses and trainers will generally rise to the top....OK, shorter prices, but great chances of success. I was very lucky with my plan at Cheltenham ( thanks to WM ), and I'll now put myself into an induced coma until Aintree....where I'll be avoiding the handicaps, and concentrating on the graded races. Might be my downfall this year, but that's the plan anyway........gulp! |
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Dr newland has embarrassed himself
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Wouldn't argue Jim, but when Mullins trains all 8 grade 1 winners at the DRF, and I don't know how many at Cheltenham, maybe there are some legitimate questions to be asked.
There is obviously " something " that is creating this chasm between WM and other Grade 1 aspirants. I don't buy the reason being of his genius far above any other trainer, ...so, maybe he just gets the cream of bloodstock....maybe it's the nutrition given to his inmates....it must be a particular reason for SUCH dominance. Maybe the horses are given plenty of Guinness in their oats . |
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Does anyone seriously think that Mullins and co are doping horses? One slip up, one set of loose lips and the whole thing would be blown apart. Remember when Martin Pipe was dominating racing -it was down to training not doping.
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All I want to do is see the best horse at leopardstown and Cheltenham if there’s no betting opportunities then so be it there are thousands of other races I can have a bet in.
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Final thought/question........if the 8 Grade 1 winning horses at the DRF were trained by ANY other trainer, would the outcomes be near the same ?.....doubt it myself.
So, there we are....mmmmm |
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Mano....I would never suggest that doping was the issue, ( certainly isn't that ).....but the stable dominance is unworldly.
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The Dublin racing festival produced 11 winners and god knows how many placed horses at this year’s festival,trials day and Newbury super Saturday produced 3 ,there’s fortunes up for grabs at leopardstown and the experience gained racing against good horses could do no harm so instead of uk trainers and the bha moaning on about things do what Sophie leech did and have a go.
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Do you think when Real Madrid won the first 5 European cups managers and supporters from the likes of Milan ,Bayern,benfica,united and Hibernian were saying ffs if there allowed in this competition they can’t play both puskas and di stefano one will have to stay at home ?
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It's not like some new kid on the block has arrived and taken over in a few years! WM started training in 1988, 36 years ago! It's the experience and the team he has built up over those years that has got him to the top of the tree, must of been alot of disappointments along the way too!
I agree with RB- Show W P Mullins some respect imo. It won’t last forever, and people should be admiring his genius and what he has achieved, not looking to change the rules just to stop him. I think WM must of been a Roy castle fan: Dedication, dedication Dedication, that's what you need If you wanna be the best If you wanna beat the rest Oh-oh dedication's what you need; If you wanna be a record break-er. There will be a young trainer thinking right now if WM can do it why can't I, some people make the impossible come true and Mr W P Mullins is one of the handful. |
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The most cost-effective thing the BHA could do would be to give the Irish Horse Racing Board the money to build five more AW tracks in Ireland, just like in England.
See where Irish jump racing is in two decades' time then. |
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As regards the doping question, I think Jim Bolger hss already dealt with that.
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Trouble is Newlands is not the only person to raise this possibility about Irish Racing or indeed British Racing which has
its own doping scandals in recent years lest we forget, the rest of his article about banning Irish horses altogether is bonkers. What would Jim Bolger have to gain from coming out with his scathing comments in 2020 like "there will be a Lance armstrong in Irish racing" the guy is in his 80s and his best years behind him maybe he had enough of being treated like a fool who knows - Ger Lyons also raised his head above the parapet in support of Bolger - Cheltenham has just fueled these flames that something is possibly untoward and to my mind Newlands cant just be accused of sour grapes/being a loon and told to get on with it where large sums of money are involved corruption will be there it just depends in what shape and form it takes. Mullins is a great trainer and I find it hard to believe he is involved given what is at stake and for how long he has been training winners... then again Liz Truss lasted 45 days in office as PM so now I don't dismiss anything out of hand |
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not sure why people pooh pooh drugs in irish racing when trainers/owners have already been banned for using them/covering up the use of them and bolger sent to coventry since talking about them,you can literally see de broom squirm when every year an interview tells him its amazing how your horses peak at chelt every yr,but the peak melts in about a week
the ? that people should be asking mullins is if he,s sucu a great trainer/judge etc how can he send horses to likes of chelt in same race that are beaten a furlong by his own horses look 30lb behind the winner when supposedly at home their competitive,or else why send them |
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on yesterdays lucky show,lucky and newsboy were discussing well known punters to them who,d complained online/forums etc ,that major nhigh st bookies had post race welched on bets with enhanced place terms etc,not because of number of starters but the number of finishes,retro fitting their rules to the amount/price of finishes etc
has it happened to anyone on here and was there a thread on here about it that ive missed ? |
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Just when you thought the crookies couldn't go any lower. Still can't work out are they just totally thick to the rules or know they can continue to rip punters off with no consequences.
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1st time poster
The firm not paying out because of not enough finishers sponsored a race on Friday my youngest daughter opened an account with them last week they never honoured the free bets thankfully she has withdrawn the funds so that’s the end of it. |
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I found this about ew bets when number of finishers was less than the places on offer
https://www.cheltenhambettingoffers.com/articles/what-happens-to-each-way-and-place-bets-if-less-horses-finish-than-places-paid/ |
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The problem in Ireland itself would be worse still yet you don't hear any complaints from the Irish trainers outside of the top 4 and really they have more cause for concern than us over here, they have to deal with the dominance of the top yards week in and week out, we only really have to deal with it at top meetings.
As Kim Bailey pointed out, his prize money would put him in 5th spot in the Irish table. |
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plenty of big irish festivals where de broom and mullins dont turn up arnt ready,spring festivals their target and with elliott not the force he was plenty of prize money for the smaller trainers to fight over
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