There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
These 93 comments are related to the topic:
most underwhelming Cheltenham ever?
most underwhelming Cheltenham ever?
sort by:
Show
per page
Replies: 93
|
By:
The mares' races are part of Cheltenham but there might be a case for stopping repeated wins in the Mares Hurdle. We want Lossiemouth to step up and run in the Champion Hurdle next year like Honeysuckle, not farming this race like Quevega. Quite how you'd enforce that is not clear. Treat it like a novice race perhaps?
|
|
By:
|
|
By:
that's management speak for there will be no meaningful change
|
|
By:
he was basically saying if you get rid of a race think what race your putting in its place as public want 7 races cards at chelt
|
|
By:
How are the mares races producing high quality breeding mares of NH horses?
Too early to tell, but Quevaga apart, have the other winners of the mares or mares novices produced a winner between them> Whiteoak, Glens Melody, Limini, Lets Dance, Vroum Vroum Mag, Laurina. More like having a mares series meant that the price of fillies would be raised at the sales giving the breeders a chance of getting a return when they had a filly foal. They should move the mares and lesser races to a different meeting away from march, this will give them the opportunity to put on an extra day. |
|
By:
Ramruma, one approach would be to take away the mares 7 lb allowance in the championship races. I'm not sure why they should get one when there are dedicated mares races they could run in if connections wish. That would likely push the mares towards the mares-only races, rather than the open races, though.
Your idea of treating it like a novice race would be really interesting - what would the exclusion criteria be? Not open to a mare that has won that race before? Or won a Grade 1 mares race? Or won a Grade 1 race? Also, although I am a strong supporter of the mares hurdle and chase, I do not think them mares novice hurdle is necessary. There is no reason at that stage why those horses couldn't run in the Supreme/Baring Bingham/Triumph. |
|
By:
Cacique - Mystical Power is by Annie Power. It was always a long-term project, because it would take that long to improve the quality of the best mares. It's starting to come to fruition now. Judge it in another 10 years.
|
|
By:
what would the exclusion criteria be? Not open to a mare that has won that race before? Or won a Grade 1 mares race? Or won a Grade 1 race?
penalty structure stron |
|
By:
but limited hcap would be my choice
|
|
By:
I forgot to include The Stayers as a Grade 1. I'd like to see the recognition bestowed on the top of that category to encourage the youngsters coming along.
|
|
By:
crashing fall & race management to let Quevaga win aside ...., but she was second in the stayers first before falling in the mares. So it didn't take a mares series for Annie Power to run at the festival. And her pedigree is a good flat german pedigree.
I struggle to remember a top-class nh racemare that was out of a really good racemare and produced a really good racemare. |
|
By:
I have no great issues with the current set up but if change is deemed necessary then my thoughts are as follows.
The novice G1 races and championship races are all fine imo. The Albert Bartlett, Turners and especially the Ryanair have been a good initiative imo even if they do make antepost betting a minefield. While I despise the Pertemps the fact is having 2m, 2.5m and 3m handicaps for for hurdles and chasers is fine and is good for betting turnover. The Boodles and Martin Pipe are unnecessary and could be run at a different time / track. I’m agnostic about the three Mares races - again maybe they could be run at another time / course. I love the Foxhunters but have zero interest in the National Hunt or Kim Muir chases. They have a dedicated hunter chase card in April and maybe those amateur races could be moved to that. The cross country definitely needs to be some sort of handicap. |
|
By:
Yes, I'd agree with a lot of that Uncle.
The rule changes have gutted the NH Chase - although it's a venerable race, it might have had its day. I would scrap the XC, because there isn't enough of a race program to support it properly, and there are frequent course issues. I would make the Pertemps a normal, open handicap - the qualifying series licences cheating. I'd scrap the Kim Muir and Martin Pipe, which are consolation races for the Ultima and Coral Cup. I would keep the Hunter as the sole amateur race. You could almost make a 3-day Festival out of what's left  |
|
By:
They just need to get rid of the mid distance and most of the mare races so you don't have the best horses in their discipline being able to avoid each other.
With you on this Shrewd. |