langer

" It takes some doing" says AP.

Needs booing like Top Cees.

If Hendo had done it, or the oirish, it would be labelled a great training performance.

saxon farm 13 Mar 24 15:28 
They should throw the book at him.

He'd either eat it, or rewrite it.

Did all he could to get its mark back to same as last year. Brilliant training performance

Looking at that Tony Martin must be scratching his head as to how Good Time Johnny gets hammered despite jumping like a wardrobe

If Tony Martin had trained Langer Dan he would have got hammered.

Indeed Daryl Revok!

It's nothing to do with the training performance, it's to do with the handicapper giving him a freebie

Yesterday a horse bolted up at 7/4 in it's first handicap having been beaten a total of 135 lengths in it's previous 3 runs in novice company. Good training or bent ?

Ulcers Nose Bleeds , taken to Lourdes over the Weekend

langer dan the new willie wumpkins (maybe)

straight as a die this racing malarkey!

Charles Byrne would be proud of him.

Mar 13, 2024 -- 10:27AM, leif wrote:

Nice filly Chewy

Like one of Willie's, pumped up to the max.

its stopped the rout for a whil gotta give it to him  dan does know how to lay one out !

on a positive the Stable was on Fire over the Weekend

The writing was on the wall that this horse had been laid out for this again,its been well backed over the last few days,everyone had the opportunity to fill their boots.

Tidy sort leading the Horse back.

Without integrity this sport is finished, if EVERY horse was campaigned like that nobody with a brain could ever have a bet.

It stinks

had a few £ ew on that also backed their protectterat in ryanair ew tomorrow

Spot on Trendy. He was freely available at 10.0 most of today.

Ran like a drain all year.

Money came for him, nearly fav and bolts in.

You cannot tell me that has been running on merit since last years win

Had a small saver on him but surely if skelton is saying that he is not a winter horse and only comes to himself in the spring then the h'capper must now disregard any runs he has nxt season in the wintertime.

Shove him up a 10LB and wait till next year to assess him after Chelt

The trainer couldn't lay straight in bed so his horses are not likely to be straight either

Don't come up very often at a Chelts handicap but I thought this was a certainty for the MP when they waited a year to preserve the mark after getting beat by GDC. Brought down at the second, still hurts!

Hugh put it up -reasoning "LANGER DAN is a decidedly unoriginal selection as he bids to land back-to-back Coral Cup wins (Cheltenham 2.50), but based simply on what we know about him, there must be a good chance he’s going to run another big race.

His trainer Dan Skelton is adamant that it’s nature rather than nurture that causes him to be at his best in the spring, but the bottom line is that in each of the last three seasons he has come alive at this time of the year after some unpromising build-up efforts.

Sixth in the Boodles Handicap Hurdle over 2m in 2000, he was unlucky to run into handicap blot Galopin Des Champs (who was running off a mark of just 142) in the Martin Pipe Handicap Hurdle the following year, pulling a long way clear of the remainder.

He was sent off at 7-2 favourite to make amends in the same race in 2022, despite finishing last of six in his prep race, but was brought down at the second. However, he quickly gained compensation when winning the Grade 3 handicap hurdle at Aintree the following month.

After three fruitless runs between November and January, he returned to Cheltenham to contest this race last year and duly bounced back to his best, finding plenty in the closing stages to win narrowly in a race where the front three pulled a long way clear.

He’s had his usual early-season struggles this year, and it was a little disconcerting that he bled on one occasion, but as a result he’s back on the same mark as in this race last year.

Skelton has stated that Langer Dan has been treated for stomach ulcers in recent weeks, having given a similar update on Greatwood Hurdle disappointment L’Eau Du Sud shortly before he bounced back with a big run in the Betfair Hurdle at Newbury.

It would be a brave man to bet against Langer Dan returning to form here and he looks fairly priced with that in mind."

And no I didn't -I'm not Mfordy

Why is anyone surprised? It's been said the horse was trained for this race. We know the price of potatoes with regard to horse racing. "All is fair in love, war, financial investment & gambling"! From The Sayings of Dr Slicer, available at all not very good bookshops, nowhere in the country.

Hugh put it up -reasoning "LANGER DAN


He has also put up Skelton's hoss in the Pertempts tomorra.
Has been out with the washing for a while but well-hndicapped if back to its best

Oi Oi!

143 rating 66/1 beaten 31 Lengths
145 rating 40/1 beaten 27 Lengths
147 rating 40/1 Pulled up
147 rating 10/1 beaten 49 lengths

Last 4 runs

Bolts in off 141 doing cartwheels in an extremely competitive handicap.

Even last year wins of 141 but got beat 35 Lengths the time before of 142.

Way to win at Cheltenham with a 150-155 horse i guess.

Like most I expected the handbrake to be off. But it looked tight enough off the same mark, he's actually run to a much higher mark and probably would have still won if he had not been dropped at all this year.

Thats right Slicer and i did have a saver on him but everyone and there mothers knew what they were doing and yet the H'capper seem not to.

It has been going on for ever.

if any of yas owned it would you want it to come here the target 12 14 pound higher ?

It was the ulcers.

The 6.0 £1k layer ir obviously laying off their bet I assume but donked away some crazy value. Was too slow to get the 28s when I saw it was still travelling ever so sweetly

Has progressed since last year I am guessing as was all out last year to be fair. Crushed them today.

we know what goes on and it was clear to see but you still need luck in running and plenty of these would have been laid out for this .

But the Foyles can you trust any handicap all year, what if all trainers done that.

i said it before on one of my thread this yard is the bollix at getting one ready for these handicap hurdles esp over 2m

Anyone can get a 150-155 horse to a rating of 141, not hard to do.

But that was blatant cheating in my opinion.

no maeluk thats one of the reasons i dont back much in these races unless its certain trainers,what i have noticed  with this yard is they often go off at decent prices ,leu du sud ,jay jay reily for example

Perhaps like Hill House it can make its own cortisone.
Perhaps not

Was everyone moaning about Joseph's handicap winner yesterday too?


It's a big festival handicap. I think people need to get with the programme. Every handicap of the week has multiple entries whose recent form can be ignored.

Foyles

Great shout Gentleman De Mee ante post , unlucky   

If a horse has ulcers and it runs poorly then why should it get dropped, the ulcers are supposed to be the reason for the poor run which is a reason prohibiting the horse running on its true merit which means the handicapper has not seen a horse perform poorly due to its ability regressing... ergo the horse shouldn't be dropped.

If the sport wishes to attract more of an audience and "come racing" they deserve to know that the horse they back is running on it's merits and not being laid out for a race in 6 months time. Luckily for us who are racing nuts we know the goings on with certain stables but the not so initiated do not. That is cheating the public in my view.

But without the handicapper being complicit it wouldn't happen, Tony Martin didn't get the same break as Skelton did he?

thanks hayden crossbar but the ew money and it traded short enough !

Half the fun of gambling is trying to work out who,s on the fiddle and who is not in these Handicaps.

the public are cheated by the powers that be /establishment every day of the week but we are  so used to it we dont notice it ! how many horses in that race  were laid out and ran on their merits all season ? langer dan wernt the only one !

Agreed Foyles.....its just a game and its those that play the game best win.....always been the same....not sure why the sudden suprise from some on here

Poor old Langer Dan been ill all season bleeding,ulcers, lame etc tumbled down to its last winning hcap mark..however last 3 weeks hasfelt much better…13/2 2nd fav and…wins… -it's a miracle......!

dan has a few in this with harry on the supposed 1st string and prob has a decnt chance ,i also like calico at a price for the yard back over hurdle after chasing and the good kid takes 3 pound off hopefull today is the day and a bit of luck in runni ng gonna back both .unexpected party and calico

soz got the over hurdles bit wrong thinking of something else ,anyway backed em both ^^^^^

a few in the next the 4.50 ^^^

had le milos on my mind goes tommoz back over hurdles and smells like a plan to me .

Mar 13, 2024 -- 11:31AM, fronter wrote:

Poor old Langer Dan been ill all season bleeding,ulcers, lame etc tumbled down to its last winning hcap mark..however last 3 weeks hasfelt much better…13/2 2nd fav and…wins… -it's a miracle......!

As much as I dislike Chapman in fairness to him he said something similar this morning

stuck out like a sore thumb as potential fiddle, but just as many others that look like that get beat - of course it's a **** game - you always have to be taking that into account - as is always being said - no-one makes you play, I do believe, like some others that such OBVIOUS chicanery makes a mockery of the sport and must have put many potential punters off. I know I have friends who don't know the game well, but might have got involved if it wasn't quite so obviously bent.

Surely it makes punting easier if you can get 10/1 about a well in horse?

thatll doo

Looks like they'll be having an "expected" party tonight

Dan knows what he is doing with these festival handicaps.

And fair play to him.

Shrewd they call it - though some trainers get banned for it - I wonder how they decide who to go for ;)

Hes got fines to pay

Good bit of training that.

its there for all to see guys been saying it for a while he is the bollix at getting one ready

Some book was closing off a book or something as a good £10k traded above 20s (it had been 14s moments earlier) before the off

5 threads minimum if that was Byrnes or Martin

its there in front of you yards in form and they can lay one ,yet when one wins or 2 people are moaning back the fookers then ya cant moan ....er maybe you will !

He may go for 3 in a row next year, but with the bottom weight as high as 128 this year it must be iffy whether he'll get in or not

backed that one last night,put up by sportinlifevalue bet at 16,s,theyve also put le milos up at 9,s in pertemps, having backed langer, he,s  hoping for the hat trick up

1st time read my post about le milos ^^^^^

A lot of people putting up Le Milos in the Pertemps - Hugh Taylor, Matt Brocklebank, Tony Calvin. Value is well gone

9,s was available between 4 and 5 for value plus punters with 8 places at slybet

Tom Segal added to the list.

I was cursing Skelton when Langer Dan won cos he beat my selection in that race.

Then I got an Unexpected (Party) bonus in the 4.50.   Funny old game

Stewards. The winner, LANGER DAN (IRE) appeared to show improved form compared with its previous run at Kempton on the 13 January where the gelding finished fourteenth of nineteen runners beaten 31 lengths. The Stewards noted the explanation given by Dan Skelton that having had a poor start to the winter campaign the gelding had been scoped and was found to have ulcers and had benefitted from having received treatment for the stomach ulcers on this occasion. Skelton further explained that LANGER DAN (IRE) had bled on his previous outing at Kempton, which had been reported. LANGER DAN (IRE) was routine tested.

The winner, UNEXPECTED PARTY (FR) appeared to show improved form compared with its previous run at Cheltenham on 27 January where the gelding finished ninth of twelve runners beaten 51 lengths. The Stewards noted the explanation given by Dan Skelton that the gelding had benefitted from a drop back down in trip to 1mile 7 furlongs from 2miles 4 ½ furlongs on this occasion. UNEXPECTED PARTY (FR) was routine tested.

Tbf, probably only way they can compete with the Irish, and the handicapper knows it too.

Brits 3-1 up in the handicaps

0-9 down in the non handicaps though.

Think Dan is heading for stomach ulcers tbf

skelton doing what we'd all like to do...

..yep eating pork pies for breakfast

last 4 runs before today an utter embarrassment...today bet of the boards and hoses up.

Think the h'capper will be out for revenge on the Skelton stable some time in the future, 'Revenge is a dish best served cold' as the saying goes.

ive scene less obv jobs banned for 40 days...criminal what they allowed today.

Thing is Rico everybody knew what was going on so you think the H'capper would have realised also.

then why aint the stewards done something.

horses obv drop when they perform poorly..if they suddenly improve 20L then ban them.

Coz they dont give a fck.

they do..jussed dont want to show the game up as institutionally corrupt.

I wonder what Ronan McNally makes of it all?

wonders why he was so blatant

did anyone think it would run like it has the last 4 times this season ?

in running,race reading expert RATPACK called it as the 1st horse beaten in his commentary

gets beat 30L @66/1 race before...that itself was a work of art..

skelton telling us all about langers blood, ulser,s etc etc post last race,what he hasnt told us why he was 66 to 1 for that race before skelton new any of the above

was wrong price in fairness..

shud have bin 1,000,000/1

Bosh!
New rating 151- 10lb hike
..oota the back of the tele for the foreseeable

has one in the 'mares' at Newbury.
Has contracted in price last coupla daze

3 runs, unplaced - speed restrictions ?

possible villain award of the year by Dave Jennings in RP

What did he say Dancing ?