Cheltenham Day 1

1ST Race used free bets on Mistergif, better ground g/s or gd.  Think I will have a dabble win and 7pl on Eldorado Allen generally goes well here, can handle the ground...the negative the weight on the groud.
3.3 7 places taken and win 36

Happy for Kim & the Bassman

That was nice. Winner at 9.6 ante post and the second at 8.8 a place. Two other losers but all at the same stake so nice race after no show in the first 2. Twig is another example of a silly rumour about the ground pushing a horse out to a daft price. They even said in the paddock that Twig had been laid out for the race!

Agreed Ibrahima. Always look twice at any of his and backed them both today.

Don’t know how that found a leg at the last

£40 max impossible

Thanks 'FOYLESWAR'. I've had £10 (obliged) only to get fish 'n' chips for tomorrow (if he wins).

Only mistake that Bass made was to ask for a big one at the last and the horse came down a bit steep. All was well.

That was hard work.

Luccia is the only exception to the Henderson tale of woe. Iberico pulled up like their runners in the first and second. A no bet race for me as is the next.

Was that the worst CH ever run?

Can't be far off.

SM would have carried katchit on his back

Not talking about worst winner, talking about overall quality of the race.

Katchit's races was much better, even if there were some blow outs.

gotcha

acey deucy10 Mar 24 17:15Joined: 29 Sep 02 | Topic/replies: 28,881 | Blogger: acey deucy's blog
Stateman biggest Cert of all Certs....Acey new.

was extremely thin this year with only 2 horses that should be sighted in a grade 1

Underwhelming and predictable as a race, nobody's fault ,just the way it worked out

It's always better when you have 4 or 5 in single figures for sure. And a few in the 10-20 range who you can make a case for.

At least we have another Mullins 4/7 shot up next.

Pinnacle of the sport apparently!!

I think Luccia was 3rd solely on stamina. She's a stayer, not quite lasting 3m. As such, 2m on heavy allowed her to go past the shorters up the hill.

Willie Mullins has won £304,000 in 3 races which would put him 35th in the GB table just ahead of Rebecca Menzies. He had also won another £300k in the first 10 months of the GB season! Another £100k coming in the next?

I am Mullins biggest fan but he is killing the Placepot stone deed ffs.

Mar 12, 2024 -- 4:51PM, tomo1984 wrote:

At least we have another Mullins 4/7 shot up next.Pinnacle of the sport apparently!!

Yes, and he has the 2nd and 3rd fav in the market too So himself and those in the know will have the inside scoop on which is actually great value

With the fav out of the frame in the first? I suppose most perms would have put Mystical in as well.

Sad state of affairs really.

Hoping the next three days are a bit more interesting.

But then you look at the G1's tomorrow and Mullins has three odds on shots in the first three.

I actually enjoy the handicaps more these days, which i would never have said 20 years ago.

'acey', could you start Cheltenham Day 2? I think you're a more appropriate poster as you know horseracing and punting much more than I do.

Nice to see the Donnellys have won a big one this renewal. Could they do a double with Shishkin come Friday?

I actually enjoy the handicaps more these days, which i would never have said 20 years ago.

snap

the graded races might as well be run in leopardstown save the irish the bother coming over

Shame they have to keep banging on about Constitution Hill, the horse didn't turn up ffs

Sorry! I was confusing Luccia with Maries Rock who's next next; she'd be the one guaranteed to stays on this heavy ground.

NOT

No you carry on Imp your doing a great job.

'acey', I ain't popular. You'd do it.

I think Lossiemouth could get turn over. I also think she ought to have run in the previous race.

Highlight of the day so far is the Mullins "you have to turn up to win" burn of Hendo.

same winners crock of sh1t

The crowd do not even seem that into it this year!!

Strange ride on Ashroe Diamond

this needs addressing immediately

9 out of 10 of Mullins 6/4 or shorter Cheltenham horses have won, the only loser falling when cruising to victory.

Your very popular Imp.

That was decisive from Lossiemouth. She must go Champion Hurdle next race even in Punchestown.

Mar 12, 2024 -- 5:16PM, in hell wrote:

Strange ride on Ashroe Diamond

Not there to win. Dictate pace for Lossie.

0-140 hcap hurdle & chase for non-novice mares...everything else fck off to the races they should be in

Mar 12, 2024 -- 5:17PM, Angela Rebecchi wrote:

Mar 12, 2024 --  4:16PM, in hell wrote:Strange ride on Ashroe DiamondNot there to win. Dictate pace for Lossie.

controlling the pace of races same as DRF

Highlight of the day so far is the Mullins "you have to turn up to win" burn of Hendo.

Well it's easy to be a smug git when you have a virtual monopoly on all the top equine talent around.  One goes down, up steps another.

I presume a few on here didn`t enjoy Frankel winning over and over again.

I presume a few on here didn`t enjoy Frankel winning over and over again.

How is one freak flat horse relevant to the current state of the NH game?

That could put statman in cart pull him still won champion
Salty he was when chzmpman asked the question

Just enjoy watching good horses at the highest level.

Just enjoy watching good horses at the highest level.

It's not the highest level though is it!

You have one trainer with a monopoly, who splits his horses up across a diluted and bloated program.

One thing I would not call Mullins is a "smug git".

Could be the same tomorrow so best not watch.

Felt it’s bigger picture that the problem here
Agree lovely seeing great horses win
But monopoly of it
Won’t be long everythink bypass Cheltenham
Aintree 3 days far better anyway

tomo 4.25pm nail on head

[:tongue out:

The one/two in the GB jumps trainers classification combine for a whopping one runner today and that's in a handicap.

A bit better tomorrow, with nine tomorrow, although four of them are in the bumper.  Four of Skelton's five are in handicaps.

Maybe all this is irrelevant and people don't care?

Seems like it's not changing any time soon though.

It's up to everybody else to catch up with Mullins. How many different facets of the business must he excel at to be this dominant? People should admire it, even if they don't like it.

Nah, it's beholden on the powers that be to step in at some point for the health of the product as a whole.

Take F1 for example, Max and Red Bull are unbelievably good and as a purist you love to see what they are doing, but the average fan is grumbling and moaning week in and week out now that it is boring and predictable.  That is why they always end up changing the rules to cap one team's dominance after a while.


Lack of competition kills any sport in the end.

So what would you actually do to hinder Mullins?

Sad state of affairs really.

Hoping the next three days are a bit more interesting.


I have to laugh, so I do. 
If watching top class horses, reproducing their top class form, trained to the minute by a genius isn;t "interesting" you should go and watch Countdown instead - and don;t bother the rest of us. 

No idea!!

That is the problem.

What can you do really?

They tried with the limit on runners from one owner idea, but that died pretty quickly!!

You could cap it for trainers runners per race I guess.

There would be complaining at first and then owners would magically start spreading their horses around to different trainers I bet.

Would take very strong leadership from the BHA et al and we all know that isn't happening any time soon.

Well go and point out to us a sport that has died because of a perceived "lack of competition"?
Then point out to us where the lack of competition is here this week.
Please.  I want to learn.

Four G1s today.

Mullins won three.

Brits managed a solitary third place finished in all those races combined.


Top fives for Brits.

Supreme - 0
Arkle - 1 (4th)
CH - 1 (3rd)
Mares - 1 (5th)

Top fives for Mullins in those races combined - 9

It that is a sign of the sport being in a good place, then fine, whatever you say.

One GB horse finished in the Boodles. If you are a fan of Irish racing then it must be great but unless there are a couple of GB runners with a chance I rarely have a bet and I am only half watching. My only bets on Irish horses were in the Supreme as GB had absolutely no chance but Tullyhill was awful and Mystical Power evens a place it didn't help much. Thankyou god for the Ultima which allowed me to finish just ahead. What strikes me most is how the Irish horses seem to take off once they see the hill while the GB ones stop. Must be a fitness difference.

I think it was two.

Fergal's and Jack Jones runner.

So it's all good!!

Must be a fitness difference.

That is what they said about Lance.

I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles!!

I used to be a fan of F1, and since last year I'd not be bothered. I also stopped my subscription.

I'd bin some Cheltenham races and condense race days into 3 max for the time being given the state of UK horseracing. As a trainer, I'd not consider Cheltenham as the be-all and end-all of NH Racing.

What has Australia done to "manage" the monopolisation of their Open top Flat races by overseas trainers? Maybe the UK could start with the Grand National eg participation not determined solely on horse's handicap but consideration too on winning/placing in certain prestigious qualifying races in the UK as well.

F1 proper boring **** befor it went to one man show

I'd bin some Cheltenham races and condense race days into 3 max for the time being given the state of UK horseracing. As a trainer, I'd not consider Cheltenham as the be-all and end-all of NH Racing.

What has Australia done to "manage" the monopolisation of their Open top Flat races by overseas trainers? Maybe the UK could start with the Grand National eg participation not determined solely on horse's handicap but consideration too on winning/placing in certain prestigious qualifying races in the UK as well.

Great points and I totally agree.

Was thinking about the Melbourne Cup changes just earlier.

Mar 12, 2024 -- 6:07PM, tomo1984 wrote:

Must be a fitness difference.That is what they said about Lance.I'm sorry you don't believe in miracles!!

What the trainer of Trueshan said recently about the resurgence of the performances of his charges was telling. I believe he said he ran them up-and-down the hill gallop 3x rather than 2x.

This is not rocket science, surely, even the other Uk trainers could relate to.

Every half decent trainer knows how to get a horse fit.

There is no magic involved, especially with all the science now available and baseline numbers you can refer back to.

Any trainer can get a good horse run to their merit. But, a good trainer can get the same horse run faster.

When Jack Nicklaus won just about everything we applauded his genius.  When Tiger Woods won just about everything we applauded him.  When Brazil won World Cup after World Cup we applauded their genius.  When Liverpool won just about everything we applauded them. When Usain Bolt won just about everything we applauded his genius. etc; etc; etc;  All successes born from/of talent, skill and damned hard work, and all sports still thriving by the way.
Fine if you don;t like Willie Mullins say so but don't lament the fact that every trainer has the same chance as him to attract the best owners and thus the best horses.  And they do.  They just don;t have the talent.
At first the word you used was "uninteresting", now it's "he's bad for racing".
lmao.

But, a good trainer can get the same horse run faster.

With magic carrots?

or maybe he just gets sent the best horses

"Magic carrots"?  What an rsshole you are.

Sir Cecil went thro' a lean spell not because of his health, why? He did not have the same firepower as previous eg Sheikh Mo, Wilderstein, Aga Khan, Abdulla to name four; the Donnellys have horses with Hendo and Mullins.

The horses doing the talking, or the trainers?

"Magic carrots"?  What an rsshole you are.

No need for that, it was a light hearted joke.

or maybe he just gets sent the best horses

Obviously.

The skill is in sourcing the horses.

Much respect for that.

But no reason to send them all to Mullins.

You telling me there are not plenty of trainers who would get the same results with the same ammo?

If so, that means that there is some incredibly complex training plan, that only one person can come up with.

It didn;t come over as such.  Idiot.

I think other trainers and owners in the UK need to find out where and from whom Mullins and his owners sourced their horses. I believe this would be a prudent start to arresting and then challenging their dominance.

It didn;t come over as such.  Idiot.

Why are you calling me names?

What is your problem?

they know where they come from, 9 times out of 10 those horses are sold subject to a run before they even deliver at a ptp or french track

'tomo1984', some here take this "game" too seriously and their "supposed superior" knowledge too readily and as a gospel. Let them be...

'tomo1984', some here take this "game" too seriously and their "supposed superior" knowledge too readily and as a gospel. Let them be...

Yeah, why I very rarely post here these days.

Was such a friendly community to interact with back in the day.

can you send them somewhere else, yes, but if you've just shelled 500k on a purchase where's your best chance of success?

can you send them somewhere else, yes, but if you've just shelled 500k on a purchase where's your best chance of success?

So you reckon Nicholls, Hendo et al are fundamentally worse trainers, who would not be able to get the same results with the same fire power and within the same eco system?

Mar 12, 2024 -- 6:08PM, impossible123 wrote:

I used to be a fan of F1, and since last year I'd not be bothered. I also stopped my subscription. I'd bin some Cheltenham races and condense race days into 3 max for the time being given the state of UK horseracing. As a trainer, I'd not consider Cheltenham as the be-all and end-all of NH Racing. What has Australia done to "manage" the monopolisation of their Open top Flat races by overseas trainers? Maybe the UK could start with the Grand National eg participation not determined solely on horse's handicap but consideration too on winning/placing in certain prestigious qualifying races in the UK as well.

And then you'd be moaning that they're winning even more races ffs

where did i say that?

i think when you're dealing with the absolute top table of owners they are playing their best chance on mullins, irish top horse are mostly staying in ire, the french agents are tapping up the richest owners first, there are fewer top horses finding their way to henderson / nicholls

of course they can train & will get winners if they get the horses, but how many will they be showing us this week?

I wasn't criticising you.

Just interested in your take as to whether there was a fundamental difference in the actual ability of these people to train racehorses.

And why owners have suddenly decided that only Mullins can do it?

they all haven't, donnelly is still really loyal to henderson, look at the sir gino auteuil race, both the horses she bought got picked off before the race was even run, one went henderson, one went mullins, but plenty think mullins might have the better of the two, time will tell

If Salvator Mundi wins the Triumph off the back of no prep and a year off, then we might as well call time on the game now eh!!!

might be an interesting one esp with the cloud over nickys, maybe we can check in and see how it goes after, enjoy your week

MJK, you like to speak for others unrequested. Even a psychiatrist does not have that magical ability otherwise....game over!

Salvator Mundi and Sir Gino share the same owners - the Donnellys. Are they old money?

joe donn was an irish bookmaker

Mar 12, 2024 -- 7:09PM, impossible123 wrote:

MJK, you like to speak for others unrequested. Even a psychiatrist does not have that magical ability otherwise....game over!Salvator Mundi and Sir Gino share the same owners - the Donnellys. Are they old money?

What you're basically saying is if I'm not winning I'm taking my ball home. As I suggested before maybe all Irish runners should have to start 50 yards behind UK ones. Would that make you feel better?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/17284999/cheltenham-festival-shishkin-owner-joe-donnelly/

piece there outlines the property / art they went into when they sold up

mjk, i think they'd still win lol

'elise', thanks for the info.

MJK, you're always "suggesting" about others. You're either a virtual psyche, or extremely nosey. Whichever,... you're binned!

Mar 12, 2024 -- 7:19PM, impossible123 wrote:

'elise', thanks for the info.MJK, you're always "suggesting" about others. You're either a virtual psyche, or extremely nosey. Whichever,... you're binned!

Suggesting? It's what you're basically looking for.