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completely agree with Dame Esther personally.
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whadda fo0k does this have to do with horse racing please?
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I agree with Dame Esther, and I can also understand the concerns of those against assisted dying. This could pave the way for abuses and even murder if the ill individual is coerced, bullied or forced into it.
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How it started in Canada?
How it's going.... A Paralympic army veteran told stunned lawmakers in Canada when she claimed that a government official had offered to give her euthanisia equipment while fighting to have a wheelchair lift installed in her home. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/christine-gauthier-paralympian-euthanasia-canada-b2238319.html |
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If she needs any help I'd happily give her a hand.
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Yes i agree with Esther.
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Current laws in England mean her family cannot join her in Zurich if and when she decides to take that step without facing criminal investigations.
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we already have a version of assisted dying,in DNR notices,
esther lived a life of privilidge hit a problem right at end of it and wants to use her priv to help change the law to suit her needs,what does that say for families whove fought pain/disruption/jumped hurdles all their life her daughter even said this morning they dont want it for so call mental illness,ie dementia/alzim,which for those involved are the worst types pf pain,frustration you can ever imagine, she also said 100s of countries now offer it and uk is a backwater/luddard for resisting ity,if that were the case why/how are dignitas making a fortune selling their option ? |
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There's clearly an attack on farming in the name of saving the planet, and there have been protests in several countries, with it kicking off in Wales now as well.
So here's the big question, how comes migration is being allowed to increase populations while at the same time the land that feeds us is under attack from legislation / incentives? We know there has been some deregulation in the GM industry, so maybe all food will be grown in factories, or we'll get our protein from insects. But we also know that AI is estimated to possibly take over 95% of jobs, so what to do with the "useless eaters", eh? Disease X? |
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Ada, have you heard? Esther wants to end it all.
Well, That's Life Cissie! ![]() |
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PETER HITCHENS: We've dehumanised the unborn. Now it's the turn of the elderly and the ill
"Many feel guilty about the burden they place on their loved ones. As a society we badly fail to provide the palliative end-of-life care which would surely be the best answer to the needless suffering visited on so many in their final months. But I think it is worse than that. These changes are a retreat from Christian civilisation into a Brave New World where all who get in the way become disposable. We have dehumanised the unwanted unborn and are about to dehumanise the inconvenient old and ill. Who’s next?" https://mol.im/a/13204819 |
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Plenty happy to sacrifice the elderly and sick during covid.
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utter nonsense from PH imv.
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duffy 17 Mar 24 17:30
Plenty happy to sacrifice the elderly and sick during covid. Any names? |
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Not nonsense at all, HH, Hitchens is a devout Christian, so why wouldn't take that stance?
And his point is where does this end up? I've given the example above of how it's going in Canada, request a stairlift from the authorities and they write back asking if you'd rather be euthanized! |
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nite nite GEORGE.
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if you want to see your loved ones having a slow/painful death then fair enough...
i don't... and i don't want one myself thank you very much. |
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This gives force to the warnings of those who argue assisted dying in this country will rapidly copy the frightening system in Canada. By 2022, that country was ending the lives of 13,200 people a year, 4.1 per cent of its annual deaths.
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Hitchens answered that in his comment about palliative care.
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Let's hope then, HH, that the day doesn't arrive when you're knocking on a bit and need assistance from the state in order to improve the quality of your life, say for example, a bungalow, mobility scooter or even...a STAIRLIFT!
Because the reply may come back: Sorry Mr Hibby, unfortunately we can't help, but I'm pleased to say is that what we can do for you, is send someone round with a lethal injection. Would you care to phone 666 666 666 and make an appointment? |
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need assistance from the state in order to improve the quality of your life
----------------------------------------------------------------------------- social care in the UK is a total fkn disgrace imv... i'm dreading getting old and being unable to cope... and if i am in constant pain and suffering i will be on the first plane to Switzerland... trust me... and if the UK wants to be a backward thinking country and not let people end their own lives on their terms to relieve the pain and suffering then so be it... it won't stop me. |
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Legally assisted dying won't happen in this country, not while big pharma can make a fortune from drugs that keep people alive.
There's not much profit in assisted dying. They can only administer the stuff once in a lifetime. Money is at the root of everything that happens in medicine just like everything else. |
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flights to Switzerland are quite cheap imv.
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https://www.easyjet.com/en/cheap-flights/switzerland
------------------------------------------------------------ will be the best £15 i've ever spent if i'm in constant pain and agony. |
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It's the chronically ill that usually seek assisted dying.
But they usually need help to carry it out. Anyone who helps them to get to cuckoo clock land might find themselves in the dock on a charge of assisting suicide. |
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which is an utter disgrace in itself imv.
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with the Increase in Dementia summat going to have to Be Brought into play , Will be impossible to Provide care
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Will be impossible to Provide care
------------------------------------ change 'will' to 'is' casemoney... NHS/Social Care is on it's knees NOW... God only knows what it will look like in 30 years (if i am still here). |
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I find it hugely ironic that there is such resistance and opposition to women being allowed to choose death during chronic illness in old age and little or no resistance to wee lassies who haven;t even learned what life is all about being able to walk in to a doc. and book an abortion.
Don't allow the old to kill themselves but do allow the young and inexperienced to kill their potential bairns. By the thousands and thousands and thousands. |
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Could assisted dying be coming to Scotland ?
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In case you've not seen, and to at least give it an equine angle, some of you may have seen the story of Caroline March, 31, an event rider and sister-in-law of Piggy March, elected to go down the assisted suicide route last week after a fall left her with a spinal column injury and confined to a wheelchair. She penned a letter in her own words explaining her decision.
While I have never had suicidal thoughts, there is something comforting about having the control - the option - to choose when you've had enough, if, for whatever reason, your body is failing in some way. I don't see how anybody gains anything from seeing loved ones suffering unbearable pain or in a zombified state just because it's better than them not being here. Frankly, I'm not sure it always is... We would not subject our pets to it... |
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correct Latalomne.
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duffy 17 Mar 24 17:30
Plenty happy to sacrifice the elderly and sick during covid. Too true. |
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i've had to end the lives of two of my pets...
hardest thing i've had to do... but it would have been 10 times harder watching them slowly evaporate in front of my very eyes... watching them in pain every second of every day... not being able to eat... not being able to control when they go to the toilet... that would have been utterly humiliating for them and soul destroying for me. |
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duffy 17 Mar 24 17:30
Plenty happy to sacrifice the elderly and sick during covid. sparrow 28 Mar 24 08:43 Too true. Oh, you mean the government telling people to "STAY HOME AND SAVE THE NHS"? Yes, if you restrict access to medical facilities or / and scare the sh*t out of people to prevent them leaving their homes, then yes, you will kill people, as their report informed them after the first lockdown, but they still went ahead with further lockdowns anyway. The excess death figures since, largely not attributed to covid, would seem to confirm this. Even if you believe there was a deadly disease on the loose which could kill millions, and there was evidence early on to suggest this wouldn't be the case, they didn't have any right to say, we're going to sacrifice this large group of people over here because we think we may be saving this larger group of people over there. But that's what they did. |
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And not forgetting, there was a pandemic response strategy which had been carefully thought out over many years and which advised none of what they actually imposed, but we're asked to believe that this was dropped on a whim in order to mimic the Chinese authoritarian response.
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I would definitely vote in favour of assisted dying in the U.K.
Having been one of his carers and seen my Dad go through and what mesothelioma did to him, well you would not wish it on your worst enemy. When he eventually did pass away at home, I had no tears left, I was just thankful that his fight was finally over. |
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totally agree Slippy...
it's inhumane asking people to suffer like that... and for their loved ones to have to sit and watch it. |
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Absolute no brainer in my book.
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