Former Chancellor calls for government to rethink 'ill-advised, blunt and damaging' affordability checks https://www.racingpost.com/news/gambling-review/former-chancellor-calls-for-government-to-rethink-ill-advised-blunt-and-damaging-affordability-checks-asqp34A26NWG/
That is the Racing Post headline. I suppose it is true that Nadhim Zahawi was Chancellor of the Exchequer, but only for about five minutes while Boris imploded.
1. Punters will be worse off 2. Bookmakers will be worse off 3. Racing will be worse off 4. The government will be worse off 5. Suicides and depression will increase (imo and the only one I could countenance an argument against) 6. Illegal bookies will be better off
What will happen...1. Punters will be worse off2. Bookmakers will be worse off3. Racing will be worse off4. The government will be worse off5. Suicides and depression will increase (imo and the only one I could countenance an argument against) 6. Ill
ladycarla26 Feb 24 19:38Joined: 03 Sep 06 | Topic/replies: 4,165 | Blogger: ladycarla's blog All the minster changed was you don't have to give your postcode,
Unless you are playing the Post Code lottery presumably
ladycarla26 Feb 24 19:38Joined: 03 Sep 06 | Topic/replies: 4,165 | Blogger: ladycarla's blogAll the minster changed was you don't have to give your postcode,Unless you are playing the Post Code lottery presumably
Jeez, sat through all of that. What a waste of time.
Funniest bit was when the minister asked Carolyn Harris whether that given the devious nature of addicts, and how they will often do anything in order to bet, why does she think that an affordability check, and being told they must now stop betting by the bookmaker will work.
Her reply. “Just because we don’t have all the answers, doesn’t mean we shouldn’t still take action”. Or something along those lines. Clueless, yet presents herself as some kind of expert.
The Scottish bloke was embarrassing.
Though for some reason, the minority in that debate, look set to get their way, and the pointless checks are going to continue. Nobody has even said what happens if you fail the check, or how you pass it, and what happens if you pass, then you go and lose a grand the next day too. So many caveats that make them totally unworkable and completely pointless.
Jeez, sat through all of that. What a waste of time. Funniest bit was when the minister asked Carolyn Harris whether that given the devious nature of addicts, and how they will often do anything in order to bet, why does she think that an affordabili
The best flat racing will move abroad and jump racing will be sacrificed to keep some basic flat racing afloat. Jump fans will have to make do with amateur point to points. Meanwhile so long as UK punters have something else to bet on the problem ones will not notice any change so the number of addicts will stay the same. What are the Hong Kong punters going to bet on without world pool on days when there is no racing in Hong Kong? Racing has created the problem itself though. Football and Cricket are bet on every day but they don't get any levy from it. Racing has assumed that it can be subsidised by punters for ever but if it is to survive it has to be from TV rights, rich owners and attendance money. Where does Meydan get its money from? Racing's bureaucracy is very expensive and much of it is to provide integrity and protect punters. If it is no longer funded by punters, a lot of that cost can be removed.
The best flat racing will move abroad and jump racing will be sacrificed to keep some basic flat racing afloat. Jump fans will have to make do with amateur point to points. Meanwhile so long as UK punters have something else to bet on the problem one
Would anyone care to summarise what was said in the debate? For instance, will AC be targeting casino games solely or horseracing too?
Will any licensed fobt bookie be taking a stake in any illegal bookie? The illegal bookies could become legit one day when a new betting and gaming licence is introduced.
Would anyone care to summarise what was said in the debate? For instance, will AC be targeting casino games solely or horseracing too? Will any licensed fobt bookie be taking a stake in any illegal bookie? The illegal bookies could become legit one d
He told us it all goes ahead. The Commission can carry on with there nonsense.
I stated this from the very start of AC legislation being raised on here. Some people actually thought that what was going to be done could be influenced. These consultations and debates are simply theatre.
The irony of some of them touching on the heritage of horse racing in the nation, part of our identity and importance to rural economies. wtf do people think it is being done. those are the very things that they are setting out to destroy!
He told us it all goes ahead. The Commission can carry on with there nonsense.I stated this from the very start of AC legislation being raised on here. Some people actually thought that what was going to be done could be influenced. These consultatio
I doubt they will be able to risk fkn around risking the likes of Ascot and other prestige meetings to please this mob….
Probably concentrate on the arcade material…..
I doubt they will be able to risk fkn around risking the likes of Ascot and other prestige meetings to please this mob….Probably concentrate on the arcade material…..
I didn't hear the summing up but many of the speakers offered sensible compromise such as treating racing differently from gaming. It does not sound as if the Minister is listening. The only hope now is that enough Tories will rebel and Labour will not support it. What a farce. If that fails then they will have to mobilise everyone in the Lords with an interest in racing to vote it down and hope that the MPs in favour are voted out in the election before it becomes law.
I didn't hear the summing up but many of the speakers offered sensible compromise such as treating racing differently from gaming. It does not sound as if the Minister is listening. The only hope now is that enough Tories will rebel and Labour will n
Exactly Cider, there'll be no rural communities once the human-caused climate change 'wild fires' have forced everyone into 15 minute cities.
Meh, but it's all for our own good.
Exactly Cider, there'll be no rural communities once the human-caused climate change 'wild fires' have forced everyone into 15 minute cities.Meh, but it's all for our own good.
Most MPs were speaking on behalf of horse racing constituencies. All shared the concerns of the racing industry and its funding, whilst simultaneously expressing their desire to see problem gambling tackled.
The point was raised many times about separating horses from casino, though minister at the end said it won’t happen because some addicts also bet on racing, and you can also lose a lot of money on racing.
A couple from the anti gambling side came on and said how important the checks were, and how they would save lives.
Most said that the checks need to be frictionless, which completely misses the point that most punters don’t want checks at all, or at least want the right to decide for themselves what their deposit limit should be.
It went on for 3 hours, the same point being made over and over. Frictionless, need to combat problem gambling, don’t want to harm racing funding etc.
Then after 3 hours, the current gambling minister Stuart Andrew came on and spoke, and basically said I hear all your concerns, but we are pressing ahead and doing it anyway. Completely pointless. Though I think it’s pretty much what everybody was expecting.
To summarise:Most MPs were speaking on behalf of horse racing constituencies. All shared the concerns of the racing industry and its funding, whilst simultaneously expressing their desire to see problem gambling tackled.The point was raised many time
offered sensible compromise such as treating racing differently from gaming
same way as buying paracetamol from Tesco is treated differently from buying crack cocaine ?
offered sensible compromise such as treating racing differently from gamingsame way as buying paracetamol from Tesco is treated differently from buying crack cocaine ?
British flat racing is too prestigious to the multi millionaire world as well as the royal family to be put at risk from this mob….
They have to be careful the fodder don’t start walking……
British flat racing is too prestigious to the multi millionaire world as well as the royal family to be put at risk from this mob….They have to be careful the fodder don’t start walking……
Trust me formofthepeace, enough do gooders in Parliament would close down Ascot tomorrow if they were given a vote on it. Elitist so nearly all of the Labour and Lib Dems would be against and it sounds like quite a few Tories would join them. And of course the SNP will vote against everything proposed by an English party of whatever colour.
Trust me formofthepeace, enough do gooders in Parliament would close down Ascot tomorrow if they were given a vote on it. Elitist so nearly all of the Labour and Lib Dems would be against and it sounds like quite a few Tories would join them. And of
the boys in the city don't seem to be alarmed by the debate they probably of the view the checks will become law.
Today's flutters share price rose 0.15 whilst Entain PLC price dropped slightly by 0.66.
think the traders in the city would have been watching the debate closely and if they thought there was any chance of the A. C being cancelled the share prices would have jumped up a lot.
well we had the debate but I don't think nothing will change
the boys in the city don't seem to be alarmed by the debate they probably of the view the checks will become law.Today's flutters share price rose 0.15 whilst Entain PLC price dropped slightly by 0.66. think the traders in the city would have been wa
Racing will always be funded by the very wealthy and rich. That will always be the case. And everyone in horse racing knows this. Some things in racing will change. I bet you in 20 years Ascot will still be flurushing, and 40 million pound horses sold .
Racing will always be funded by the very wealthy and rich. That will always be the case. And everyone in horse racing knows this. Some things in racing will change. I bet you in 20 years Ascot will still be flurushing, and 40 million pound horses sol
If they actually wanted to tackle the problem they would set the expectation of the coders who weed out the accounts that won't be profitable after a handful of bets to expose those who show the pattern of being problem gamblers. Very easily done. But at the heart of it, it's not about problem gamblers at all.
If they actually wanted to tackle the problem they would set the expectation of the coders who weed out the accounts that won't be profitable after a handful of bets to expose those who show the pattern of being problem gamblers. Very easily done. Bu
To be fair to the ministers that did turn out for racing, they did put their points across well, and try to stick up for the racing punter. Matt Hancock was pretty good I thought, and Philip Davies the original minister in charge of this made the case for punters too.
Though stuart Andrew basically confirmed at the end that it was all to no avail, as he announced that him and the gambling commission were going to press ahead with their flawed plans anyway.
To be fair to the ministers that did turn out for racing, they did put their points across well, and try to stick up for the racing punter. Matt Hancock was pretty good I thought, and Philip Davies the original minister in charge of this made the cas
What percentage of those large companies' profits come from racing? I am surprised that the shares have not fallen though as betting on Football and Casino games will fall as well and that will really dent their profits.
What percentage of those large companies' profits come from racing? I am surprised that the shares have not fallen though as betting on Football and Casino games will fall as well and that will really dent their profits.
ident, how many of the rich and wealthy will want to fund GB racing when Labour put up taxes and remove tax exemption for non doms? They will easily move to France and Ireland as many already have.
ident, how many of the rich and wealthy will want to fund GB racing when Labour put up taxes and remove tax exemption for non doms? They will easily move to France and Ireland as many already have.
Vast majority of players play under £2 per spin anyway, £5 would be very much upper limits.
And they are designed to bleed you dry slowly. Most slot addicts won’t even face checks. There is far less variance than horse racing. All the new slot measures will do is make people lose money slower at best.
High staking addicts have numerous options just a click away with no regulations or safety measures and stake limits etc.
Won’t hurt casino that much I don’t think. Vast majority of players play under £2 per spin anyway, £5 would be very much upper limits. And they are designed to bleed you dry slowly. Most slot addicts won’t even face checks. There is far less
BR, I thought it was pretty weird how nobody raised other gambling options. Online bingo is massive and can be highly addictive for females I'm led to believe. The ads on the telly are obviously targeted at women. Along with football for the younger generation. And of course the omaze crap that I bang on about, but it irks me how misleading that form of gambling is.
BR, I thought it was pretty weird how nobody raised other gambling options. Online bingo is massive and can be highly addictive for females I'm led to believe. The ads on the telly are obviously targeted at women. Along with football for the younger
Yeah I know, it’s crazy. Bingo gets free pass, yet online bingo is used to get women playing slots and slingo, both highly addictive. Even bingo halls, are now basically mini casinos/arcades full of FOBTs, and they open all day, every day.
Loose women is sponsored by a bingo site, and has bingo/casino adverts every break, then they wonder why so many women are now getting gambling addictions.
Yeah I know, it’s crazy. Bingo gets free pass, yet online bingo is used to get women playing slots and slingo, both highly addictive. Even bingo halls, are now basically mini casinos/arcades full of FOBTs, and they open all day, every day. Loose wo
Flutter trading tonight at 16,695 and during this month the shares have traded at the highest level over the past year.
so clearly no sign of any panic in that boardroom they probably thought that the A.C. debate would just be that a debate but in the end the checks will become law and they seem to be taking enough action to avoid the heavy fines that others have incurred.
Flutter trading tonight at 16,695 and during this month the shares have traded at the highest level over the past year. so clearly no sign of any panic in that boardroom they probably thought that the A.C. debate would just be that a debate but in th
If they actually wanted to tackle the problem they would set the expectation of the coders who weed out the accounts that won't be profitable after a handful of bets to expose those who show the pattern of being problem gamblers.
if you're not losing you're not welcome.
If they actually wanted to tackle the problem they would set the expectation of the coders who weed out the accounts that won't be profitable after a handful of bets to expose those who show the pattern of being problem gamblers.if you're not losing
Sageform: they will have to mobilise everyone in the Lords with an interest in racing to vote it down
There is no vote on this anywhere. Neither in the Commons nor in the Lords. It just goes straight through - the Gambling Commission makes the proposals, the Minister agrees, and that's it. The Gambling Commission enacts those proposals.
Our rulers have long since realized the danger of allowing votes on anything. That's the whole point of things like the Gambling Commission: to bypass democracy.
Sageform: they will have to mobilise everyone in the Lords with an interest in racing to vote it down There is no vote on this anywhere. Neither in the Commons nor in the Lords. It just goes straight through - the Gambling Commission makes the propo
Highly unlikely to be a bonanza for on course bookies. They will have to go cashless imo and then if hundreds/thousands is bet with your card the bank will close your account.
Highly unlikely to be a bonanza for on course bookies. They will have to go cashless imo and then if hundreds/thousands is bet with your card the bank will close your account.
Howard, These are exactly the nuanced points that relate to the actual mechanics of controlled betting that have never been made in this debate. We need a charismatic leader, an experienced punter, a betting champion, who can stand up and get this accross, to cut through the rhetoric. None of the RP crusaders seem to be either up to it, or even aware of the need to express it. And I mean someone who doesn't resort to the "well intentioned" platitude.
Howard, These are exactly the nuanced points that relate to the actual mechanics of controlled betting that have never been made in this debate. We need a charismatic leader, an experienced punter, a betting champion, who can stand up and get this ac
Steerforth , Yeah it shows how few of the MP's understand the mathematics of betting. But as you say the RP guys surely have no excuse. Cider you said "But at the heart of it, it's not about problem gamblers at all".
"The irony of some of them touching on the heritage of horse racing in the nation, part of our identity and importance to rural economies. wtf do people think it is being done. those are the very things that they are setting out to destroy!" What's the real big picture ? Total control. Super rich and slaves ? Destroying the middle class particularly those areas like racing which doesn't have the "mix" of people they want racegoers and trainers ?
Steerforth , Yeah it shows how few of the MP's understand the mathematics of betting. But as you say the RP guys surely have no excuse. Cider you said "But at the heart of it, it's not about problem gamblers at all". "The irony of some of them touch
For those who may have missed the debate go youtube type in 'e-petition debate relating to financial risk checks for gambling'.
In today's press the excellent Greg Wood who attended the debate seemed to sum it all up correctly in his Guardian article whilst Lee Mottershead from the R.Post seemed to think along the lines of M.P. Carolyn Harris who said 'it is not too late to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat' . But as Screaming from beneaththewaves that has mentioned the checks will go ahead and will not be debated in Parliament.
It's a bit like the plumber who' just left his wife saying 'Its all over Flo'
For those who may have missed the debate go youtube type in 'e-petition debate relating to financial risk checks for gambling'.In today's press the excellent Greg Wood who attended the debate seemed to sum it all up correctly in his Guardian article
"Ronnie Cowan, the Scottish National Party member for Inverclyde, was perhaps the only contributor happy to suggest that he saw knock-on effects for racing as a relatively minor consideration in the debate. “What price a life?” he asked, before responding to several contributors who pointed out that a £500 loss over a year amounts to £1.37 per day."
The "what price a life" idiots. These idiots do more to reduce life expectancy than any others. The NHS does actually put a price on a life (thrown completely out the window during the COVID panic and we are paying the price now and for the next 30 years) as some people are not idiots, and realise that putting a price on a life increases life expectancy and quality of life
"Ronnie Cowan, the Scottish National Party member for Inverclyde, was perhaps the only contributor happy to suggest that he saw knock-on effects for racing as a relatively minor consideration in the debate. “What price a life?” he asked, before r
It's an interesting concept. We'll deny people freedom of choice, we'll impose intrusive checks and we'll drive people to the black market and this will reduce suicides in the UK. And we will base this decision on no worthwhile analysis. WALOFS
It's an interesting concept. We'll deny people freedom of choice, we'll impose intrusive checks and we'll drive people to the black market and this will reduce suicides in the UK. And we will base this decision on no worthwhile analysis. WALOFS
In today's press the excellent Greg Wood who attended the debate seemed to sum it all up correctly in his Guardian article whilst Lee Mottershead from the R.Post seemed to think along the lines of M.P. Carolyn Harris who said 'it is not too late to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat' I dont think the 'Racing Post' heard what the minister said at the end. To me it sounded like 'nothing has changed'. Yet Mottershead keeps on about politicians starting to listen. Is he deaf. The whole thing was a waste of time, the government had already decided nothing was changing.
In today's press the excellent Greg Wood who attended the debate seemed to sum it all up correctly in his Guardian article whilst Lee Mottershead from the R.Post seemed to think along the lines of M.P. Carolyn Harris who said 'it is not too late to s
I've been looking at suicide rates in the 38 wealthy countries in the OECD to see if there is any evidence of countries with a high suicide rate having relaxed gambling regulations and cultures. There isn't. In fact, i'd say the reverse looks more plausible.
The average suicide rate is 10.6 suicides per 100,000 people. The country with the highest suicide rate is South Korea at 25.2. It's also very very anti gambling. Perhaps the most anti gambling of the 38. By comparison the suicide rate in Hong Kong is 10 and Singapore 8.5. Both gambling hotbeds and both below the overall average. Australia is 12.3, UK 10.7 and Ireland 9. All with gambling cultures and relaxed gambling laws. The average of all 5 is 10.1, below the OECD average
In Western Europe (I haven't gone through every one, but I think the highest might be Belgium at 15.1) Perhaps the most anti gambling country in Western Europe? France and Portugal where B3SIX5 is also banned along with Belgium are 12.1 and 11.5
I've been looking at suicide rates in the 38 wealthy countries in the OECD to see if there is any evidence of countries with a high suicide rate having relaxed gambling regulations and cultures. There isn't. In fact, i'd say the reverse looks more
I doubt it too. It's a case of make up a statistic, repeat it often enough that it becomes treated as fact. The gambling related suicide statistics are complete bunkum.
It would make more sense to enforce everyone over 65 to live in a bungalow, because of the number of old people killed falling down the stairs
I doubt it too. It's a case of make up a statistic, repeat it often enough that it becomes treated as fact. The gambling related suicide statistics are complete bunkum. It would make more sense to enforce everyone over 65 to live in a bungalow, be
Even if relaxed gambling laws and resulting gambling losses did lead directly to more suicides (which I doubt), how is making gambling more expensive and driving addicts to high street shops and the black market going to help those with gambling problems? It surely isn't. Geoff Banks has said 25% of his staff are employed in compliance. I think that's prolly a misrepresentation, but it's nevertheless a significant and potentially fatal cost. The gambling companies have the software to identify many, if not most of those with gambling problems, without any need for intrusive checks and dead money wasted on compliance staff. Must be about the most boring and soul destroying job in the world fwiw. Far better to pay an extra 1% on GP tax which would fund gambling charities to treat those with gambling addictions.
It just beggars belief how stupid they are.
Even if relaxed gambling laws and resulting gambling losses did lead directly to more suicides (which I doubt), how is making gambling more expensive and driving addicts to high street shops and the black market going to help those with gambling prob
Suicide in Russia is a significant national social issue, with the suicide rate at 21.6 suicides per 100.000 people.
And, coincidentally:
Online Gambling is strictly prohibited in Russia.
Suicide in Russia is a significant national social issue, with the suicide rate at 21.6 suicides per 100.000 people.And, coincidentally:Online Gambling is strictly prohibited in Russia.
Probs the nanny state helping with suicide rates. There's always someone else to blame. Mers being a good example blames the bookies for his gambling problems. Could always try a bit of self discipline. Are the breweries to blame for all the alkies out there? What's next from the Goverment? Here's your Tenner allowance for the pub this week, spend it wisely bro.
Probs the nanny state helping with suicide rates. There's always someone else to blame. Mers being a good example blames the bookies for his gambling problems. Could always try a bit of self discipline. Are the breweries to blame for all the alkies o
CLYDEBANK2929 Feb 24 12:31Joined: 10 Jan 02 | Topic/replies: 13,086 | Blogger: CLYDEBANK29's blog The gambling companies have the software to identify many, if not most of those with gambling problems, without any need for intrusive checks
This is 100% true CB29 and it is also 100% true that it would be the simplest, cheapest and most effective solution. The problem is, they can't admit this - because it would expose that they have been proactively using that software to do for the past 15-20 years!
Basically, the ideal solution, would involve the on-line books admitting not only that they know where the bodies are buried - but also that they did all the killing and that it was pre-meditated!
CLYDEBANK2929 Feb 24 12:31Joined: 10 Jan 02 | Topic/replies: 13,086 | Blogger: CLYDEBANK29's blog The gambling companies have the software to identify many, if not most of those with gambling problems, without any need for intrusive checks This is 10
You can just see it in one of those parliamentary sessions:
MP: So what you're saying is that you've already got (and have had for a long-time) software that can identify a potential and actual problem gambler at 200 yards with a blind-fold on?
CEO: Yes.
MP: So have you been using that already to identify potential/actual addicts and then to safeguard them?
CEO: No. We've actually been using it to profile and identify them, so that we can rinse them for everything they've got!
You can just see it in one of those parliamentary sessions:MP: So what you're saying is that you've already got (and have had for a long-time) software that can identify a potential and actual problem gambler at 200 yards with a blind-fold on?CEO: Ye
As you say Merson would have been OK because of his wages. Anyone on a low income ( but decent savings ) 20k in front for the year and then loses £1500 in one day not OK. If that is correct he should have been used as an example in the "debate".
As you say Merson would have been OK because of his wages. Anyone on a low income ( but decent savings ) 20k in front for the year and then loses £1500 in one day not OK. If that is correct he should have been used as an example in the "debate".
But if a distiller sent an alcoholic a case of free vodka or tickets to the Cup Final every time the alcoholic tried to quit or cut-back his drinking, we would probably see an intervention at some point.
That's absolutely true Werbie and I agree 100%.But if a distiller sent an alcoholic a case of free vodka or tickets to the Cup Final every time the alcoholic tried to quit or cut-back his drinking, we would probably see an intervention at some point.
The Management 29 Feb 24 13:58 That's absolutely true Werbie and I agree 100%.
But if a distiller sent an alcoholic a case of free vodka or tickets to the Cup Final every time the alcoholic tried to quit or cut-back his drinking, we would probably see an intervention at some point.
I like that one
Good point!
The Management 29 Feb 24 13:58 That's absolutely true Werbie and I agree 100%.But if a distiller sent an alcoholic a case of free vodka or tickets to the Cup Final every time the alcoholic tried to quit or cut-back his drinking, we would probably se
The great thing about gambling is that it gives you hope. At some points in your life it can be the only hope. And I don't mean as a way of getting out of a financial hole. More as a dream that you might just get somewhere in an otherwise frustrating life.
Take that away, and you condemn a man to fifty years of 9-to-5 with no vision of any possible way out.
The great thing about gambling is that it gives you hope. At some points in your life it can be the only hope. And I don't mean as a way of getting out of a financial hole. More as a dream that you might just get somewhere in an otherwise frustrating
Great point screaming - I think sadly that our views on life are something of a dying breed though. The idea of being a pro gambler, or even just a pro part time gambler, are something similar to viewing 70s male celebrities as good role models.
Amazing how things have changed - culture has gradually shifted against the idea of a man going out and doing something in isolation to earn himself a crust. You have to have more traditional views on employment these days - ironically!
The world views of the vast majority are now against gambling. I think the best we can really hope for is to be allowed to have 'some' action in this gambling world in future. But, I highly doubt it will be all the freedoms of the past decades. Certainly not the potential of the old days when someone could dream of making their living at it. Which is pretty sad to consider.
Great point screaming - I think sadly that our views on life are something of a dying breed though. The idea of being a pro gambler, or even just a pro part time gambler, are something similar to viewing 70s male celebrities as good role models.Amazi
Hayden - for the same reason as the big Luckies on outsiders (and I confess I will be doing them again at the Festival) - for a few hours you get to dream what you will do with life-changing money you might win.
I don't have a huge problem with the NL and its direct spin-offs (Euromillions etc) - I don't imagine anyone does anything especially stupid with those - it's scratchcards get me. And they only just stopped their sale to 16/17 yos.
Hayden - for the same reason as the big Luckies on outsiders (and I confess I will be doing them again at the Festival) - for a few hours you get to dream what you will do with life-changing money you might win.I don't have a huge problem with the NL
Stood behind a lady in Tesco a few weeks ago after running out of milk , she took ages to get served and was scruffily dressed to say the least , she had this card which must get you discounts on certain items so must have saved a good few quid on a full trolley , then she added i'll have a bottle of gin and 20 scratchcards.
Whatever she budget saved must have been gambled away at least 5 fold with scratchcards.
Stood behind a lady in Tesco a few weeks ago after running out of milk , she took ages to get served and was scruffily dressed to say the least , she had this card which must get you discounts on certain items so must have saved a good few quid on a
I suppose you are allowed to be lucky with a "bad" bet. Do that as much as you want. But try to use skill and make regular profits from gambling...they don't want that to be achievable by large numbers of people or any at all.
I suppose you are allowed to be lucky with a "bad" bet. Do that as much as you want. But try to use skill and make regular profits from gambling...they don't want that to be achievable by large numbers of people or any at all.
Is there going to be ACs for those stood in shops spending stupid amounts on scratchcards?? There probably should be in their case.
Good example issue for sure longbridge!Is there going to be ACs for those stood in shops spending stupid amounts on scratchcards?? There probably should be in their case.
screaming from beneaththewaves 29 Feb 24 20:44 The great thing about gambling is that it gives you hope. At some points in your life it can be the only hope. And I don't mean as a way of getting out of a financial hole. More as a dream that you might just get somewhere in an otherwise frustrating life.
Take that away, and you condemn a man to fifty years of 9-to-5 with no vision of any possible way out.
The reaction to screaming's post from us on here is positive, we all sign up to that dream, but if you showed that very post to one of the anti gambling mob they'd use the very tone of it as an example of what they see as the breadth of the problem, they can't comprehend that it can give us joy and something to be looked forward to, harmlessly, they see us all as addict's to one degree or another trapped chasing an unattainable dream that will ultimately cost us dearly.
If the truth be known, the mob don't really believe that there are any of us in control of our betting and if they do they believe anyway that it is acceptable to take out everyone to catch the few even if they don't admit it, what they seek, for lack of a better phrase is tantamount to gambling genocide.
screaming from beneaththewaves 29 Feb 24 20:44 The great thing about gambling is that it gives you hope. At some points in your life it can be the only hope. And I don't mean as a way of getting out of a financial hole. More as a dream that you migh
First the clueless podgy clown Rhodes tells us all that black market gambling isn't anything to worry about once AC's become the norm. Now he tells us it's one of the major issues to tackle. This grifter who's never done a real day's work in his life is well out of his depth on this. He clearly has no understanding of the industry. So who appointed him and why?
First the clueless podgy clown Rhodes tells us all that black market gambling isn't anything to worry about once AC's become the norm. Now he tells us it's one of the major issues to tackle. This grifter who's never done a real day's work in his life
The problem with the GC is that it doesn't give equal weight to its objectives:
(a)preventing gambling from being a source of crime or disorder, being associated with crime or disorder or being used to support crime,
(b)ensuring that gambling is conducted in a fair and open way, and
(c)protecting children and other vulnerable persons from being harmed or exploited by gambling.
Almost no activity around (b) and therefore almost all resources concentrated on the other two.
The reason for this is that they don't have enough knowledge and in any case, I suspect, think that fairness doesn't matter because all punters are losers.
The problem with the GC is that it doesn't give equal weight to its objectives:(a)preventing gambling from being a source of crime or disorder, being associated with crime or disorder or being used to support crime,(b)ensuring that gambling is conduc
It's not surprising that during the covid panic, we blindly tried to follow what China were doing, as there is a deep rooted yearning among the elitists and political class to eventually follow China's form of governance. The general population seen as a homogenous, malleable mass, to be controlled by the central elite. We will in theory be given choices to make it seem like we have freedom, but these will be very narrow, and there will be boundaries. And to retain the perceived freedoms, we must be obedient, and earn credits by doing what the controllers want.
It would be way too long to cover all the actual areas in our lives this is actually already progressing, and at a rapid rate. And yes, I will get the old conspiracy theorist accusations thrown at me no doubt. I have a thick skin. We will be allowed to gamble (especially where it can be directly scalped by the state), but only via the terms our controllers allow. And in the future, expect that allowance to be withdrawn if you don't comply with the demands of the state. I have gone on about this like a broken record, but this 'fight' is not about horse racing, or betting, or being permitted to spend our own money. It is about our entire way of life. Yesterday it was published that 1.2 million people 'legally' came to live in our country last year. Chaps, this is no accident. We are living through an active revolution. Not that it's in our gift to do much about it.
It's not surprising that during the covid panic, we blindly tried to follow what China were doing, as there is a deep rooted yearning among the elitists and political class to eventually follow China's form of governance. The general population seen
TAB in Australia have said they are not following suit as they already have guidelines in place to recognise "problem" gamblers. Fair dinkum to them for that sensible approach. I personally have lost three accounts through my non-compliance, in no way whatsoever should I be a victim of this lunacy.
TAB in Australia have said they are not following suit as they already have guidelines in place to recognise "problem" gamblers. Fair dinkum to them for that sensible approach.I personally have lost three accounts through my non-compliance, in no way
Good post Cider. It's strange that some people on here can't see this is about more than just these "Affordability Checks" This is part of a much bigger picture. Our way of life is under threat and what it is to be British is being continually attacked. The same goes for Ireland.
When you have a Government promising to bring down immigration to 10s of thousand but it ends up with 1.2M legally coming and 10s of thousands illegally in just one year. And in Ireland small villages seeing huge influx of fighting age men arriving who have absolutely no right to be there and SHOULDN'T be there. You know something more sinister is afoot.
Good post Cider. It's strange that some people on here can't see this is about more than just these "Affordability Checks" This is part of a much bigger picture. Our way of life is under threat and what it is to be British is being continually attack
I would suggest it's a third. But, either way, immigration is totally out of control. Throw in illegal immigration, but let's worry about people betting too much and Wars in other Countries.....
I would suggest it's a third. But, either way, immigration is totally out of control. Throw in illegal immigration, but let's worry about people betting too much and Wars in other Countries.....
So you think that 100k+ students, who previously didn't need a visa, now needing a visa wouldn't have any effect on the number of student visas issued.
So you think that 100k+ students, who previously didn't need a visa, now needing a visa wouldn't have any effect on the number of student visas issued.
they didn't need a visa if they were already here. those figures are ALL EU students. Even if you are correct that new EU students now need a visa, it would be in the region of 40k. so a small fraction of the huge spike.
they didn't need a visa if they were already here. those figures are ALL EU students. Even if you are correct that new EU students now need a visa, it would be in the region of 40k. so a small fraction of the huge spike.
In 2020-21, the UK welcomed 605,130 international students, reaching the 600,000 target (UK government International Education Strategy 2019/2021) almost a decade earlier than the 2030 deadline (HESA, 2022).
laugh or cry, lol
i spotted this when googlingIn 2020-21, the UK welcomed 605,130 international students, reaching the 600,000 target (UK government International Education Strategy 2019/2021) almost a decade earlier than the 2030 deadline (HESA, 2022).laugh or cry, l
"....the legion of anti-gambling pressure groups that have suddenly popped up in the last few years, such as Gambling With Lives (2018), Clean Up Gambling (2020), the Coalition Against Gambling Ads (2020), Gambling Harm UK (2020), Action Against Gambling Harms (2020) and Tackling Gambling Stigma (2021). "
What chance do punters have up against that lot
Of course all these groups are looking for funding, and they go to parliament and present themselves as 'experts in problem gambling' - rather than activist loons - and the MPs take them at their own estimate so we end up with this legislation.
https://thecritic.co.uk/the-anti-gambling-racket/ "....the legion of anti-gambling pressure groups that have suddenly popped up in the last few years, such as Gambling With Lives (2018), Clean Up Gambling (2020), the Coalition Against Gambling Ads (2
It's not even the MPs though, tobermory. It's the unelected, unaccountable, overpaid, workshy faceless goons who actually determine how the mechanics of the country operate. The elected politicians are spineless and take the path of least resistance in most cases.
It's not even the MPs though, tobermory. It's the unelected, unaccountable, overpaid, workshy faceless goons who actually determine how the mechanics of the country operate. The elected politicians are spineless and take the path of least resistance
By coincidence, have been listening to this pod this morning. And just got to this bit. From the horse's mouth, so to speak. 'The number has exponentially grown in recent years. It's become a backdoor route into the UK'.https://youtu.be/J7kaAimNFzY?f
Dunno if this has has been posted on another thread but https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/43614/documents/216676/default/ "We are not proposing any new or additional checks for people betting in person at racecourses or in betting shops. The new Financial Risk Checks only apply to those gambling online. • The checks when introduced will be frictionless background checks - I have been clear that they will only come in when we are confident that they are frictionless. • We expect 80% of online accounts will not go through these checks. Only 20% of accounts are expected to go through the frictionless financial vulnerability check to see whether people have been declared bankrupt or have a history of unpaid debts. We expect only around 3% of accounts will go through the enhanced financial risk assessment, which will rely on seamless data-sharing to ensure that it operates similarly to a frictionless background credit check. These will only be brought in once we know they will be genuinely frictionless, following a pilot. • The checks will ensure there is more consistency across betting rather than the current situation where different operators do checks in different ways at different levels. We are all in agreement that the current system isn’t working. Our new checks will deliver consistency and remove the friction punters are seeing at the moment. In the meantime, we continue to urge the Gambling Commission and operators to agree on interim measures to bring some consistency to the current system.
Dunno if this has has been posted on another thread but https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/43614/documents/216676/default/ "We are not proposing any new or additional checks for people betting in person atracecourses or in betting shops. T