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15 Feb 24
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What's really going on with these so called affordability checks, it's beyond a joke and their has to be some other ulterior motive going down here, im no conspiracy theorist but.......
I've been on betfair for over 23 years, I was in my early 30's when I joined im now nearly 56, been happily playing on here minding my own business then out of the blue I get an email saying that they have given me a deposit budget of £100 per month, I thought it was a joke, if I want to increase it I need to send all sorts of personal financial information.
I for one will not be giving them this information, and my reason is what I do with my hard earned money is none of their business, i've got a decent disposable income and how I choose to spend it it my decision.
Thankfully I have many other interests so the money I would have spent here can be diverted elsewhere for my pleasure, I shop a lot in fortnum & mason and Harrods, I enjoy Kerridge's fish & chips.
Is this a wider issue of the stupid county, should I expect to be limited to a £100 per month the next I visit my favourite department stores.
Adios Amigos
I've been on betfair for over 23 years, I was in my early 30's when I joined im now nearly 56, been happily playing on here minding my own business then out of the blue I get an email saying that they have given me a deposit budget of £100 per month, I thought it was a joke, if I want to increase it I need to send all sorts of personal financial information.
I for one will not be giving them this information, and my reason is what I do with my hard earned money is none of their business, i've got a decent disposable income and how I choose to spend it it my decision.
Thankfully I have many other interests so the money I would have spent here can be diverted elsewhere for my pleasure, I shop a lot in fortnum & mason and Harrods, I enjoy Kerridge's fish & chips.
Is this a wider issue of the stupid county, should I expect to be limited to a £100 per month the next I visit my favourite department stores.
Adios Amigos
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forcing 25p punters to go 4 times what they want to bet.
sounds slightly irresponsible ...
sounds slightly irresponsible ...
Keep going hulk. Jameees disposable camera is overheating....trying to snap a 108er
Feb 16, 2024 -- 3:54PM, freddiewilliams wrote:
Ydna.....why u think they targeted u
No idea, im not a prolific winner or loser bets are £200 down to about £50, like most reasonable punters i have good weeks and bad weeks, the £100 p/m makes no sense, they have 23 years of my history on here.
Only one strange thing did happen, like most the sportsbook on here you are reduced to pennies, but beginning of last week i wanted a ant post Cheltenham acca, it paid the most on their sportsbook so i did a check just to see how many pennies they would lay and to my amazement max bet was £350, i nearly fell off my chair, so i had £100 of it,.
And now what a surprise, i've just checked max bets on a few random races and football and it looks like i've now got an unrestricted sportsbook account, example odds on jolly 7 o'clock my max bet £2,500, football Southampton to win tonight £3,500.
What do you make of that, clearly impossible to bet those sums because i have a limit of £100 p/m
Incidentally i had a safer gambling email for dak just after charismas, a £1.000 p/m deposit limit until i give them a sperm sample
the 100 pm is normally temporary until you provide proof of income, if they've asked and you've not provided or tried to contact you and you didn't respond they apply it until you give info, then they agree a new figure and you're on that limit per month going forward
There has been several forumites admitting they are 100 max a month
a few won't provide their details so possibly there's quite a lot on 100 and some casual players will be ok with that
as in they've done kyc but won't do the financial stuff as they see it as private
Strange daq after u tooo
Were u deposit ING several times in one day
Were u deposit ING several times in one day
Play for £2 a time until the dust settles…..or that rancid outfit get kicked into touch
some casual players will be ok with that
must be extremely casual on £3 a day
must be extremely casual on £3 a day
Elise is spot on- happened to me till info was received- on £1500 a month limit now but did take 45 mins. Surprised people only just getting the email must be 2 years since I had a limit.
must be extremely casual on £3 a day
minimum bet £1
doesn't leave you a lot
minimum bet £1
doesn't leave you a lot
Never read anything like that before concerning sportsbook
some people bet once per week or less and a few quid a race, or do the odd multi
they are picking up multiple deposits, people who they feel are losing large amounts, arbers as they cannot see the other books, some people have large balances and don't deposit much, the limit is on deposits currently
they are picking up multiple deposits, people who they feel are losing large amounts, arbers as they cannot see the other books, some people have large balances and don't deposit much, the limit is on deposits currently
I got an email a while back…
Thank you for the concern but I enjoy my punting and my cash was earned by myself….
Everything is good here.I won’t hold you accountable if I do the lot…
Thank you for the concern but I enjoy my punting and my cash was earned by myself….
Everything is good here.I won’t hold you accountable if I do the lot…
and whilst many consider it private, if you want to bet under the current legislation they are required to check, you have the choice of being on fck all deposit or providing income so that they can prove they've done their due diligence
I don't have to prove my income to get a £16K liability on a credit card (as I stooze I have £100K+ potential liability across over a dozen cards!) But might have to, to place a bet 
For 1500 a month. U must be on a very high wage
well in some ways you do because it's based in some part on your credit history and stuff like experian, so they have a mark on you for all banking matters
It's not about considering private, it is private. Farage managed to clear out a few bankers for disclosing his private banking information.
What legislation is that?
What legislation is that?
Many still not getting this, if the AC's stopped tomoz and the Govt told the books not to worry you don't need to perform checks on your customers anymore, guess what, it would make absolutely no difference whatsover, the books for years have been restricting punters for years anyway, long long before AC checks were a thing and they will carry on stopping punters who they don't want regardless.
Pity Farage wasn’t a player in the punting world he would be good fighting for the punters….
Yes they can get a credit report. I don't have to prove my income, or anything else. There is nothing else in society I'm aware of that you are expected to give away personal financial data to be able to spend your own money.
Freddie- I wouldn't call it a high wage but think it's all about disposable income, why I tell everyone to go on live chat, the more they know the better I guess.
Restrictions on exchanges Duffy. Nobody got that before ac
If you don't want to give info, take a year off and deposit every month and start with £1200 bank next year.
Lady carla. Could u give us some percentage . As in money left after essential s paid every month
Fortunately i can take it or leave it, i've other things i can spend my hard earned on, so i won't be sending this private information
if you make your living on here then unless you provide some info they are highly likely to stick a deposit limit on your account, just on that they won't include any money you make from gambling so winners whether in running / arbers / traders whatever are going to need other details to allow them to keep a reasonable agreed deposit limit, what they ask for is intrusive but there's no option
if you play for fun / as a hobby and you don't wish to provide you don't need to
if you play for fun / as a hobby and you don't wish to provide you don't need to
I don't think it is private, if you pay tax and have bank accounts they know, obviously legally they not suppose too which is why they have to ask for the info.
bookmakers can't see it and they are being asked to prove they've checked people that are losing money, you'd have to give permission for them to see it and they don't ask for it if they could see credit ratings it might help but they'd still have to show that over a certain level they checked
Freddie do you work for HMRC 
I don't have mortgage/rent to pay which are the killers especially if you're young, biggest bill is council tax and I hate that DD every month because they do f/all these days, don't even sweep the streets anymore
I don't have mortgage/rent to pay which are the killers especially if you're young, biggest bill is council tax and I hate that DD every month because they do f/all these days, don't even sweep the streets anymore
Cider • February 16, 2024 5:25 PM GMT
I don't have to prove my income to get a £16K liability on a credit card (as I stooze I have £100K+ potential liability across over a dozen cards!) But might have to, to place a bet Crazy
Cider, be aware the new gambling regs coming are likely to flag up high credit utilisation and debt-to-income ratios as signs of financial vulnerability. I've stopped stoozing for this very reason.
I don't have to prove my income to get a £16K liability on a credit card (as I stooze I have £100K+ potential liability across over a dozen cards!) But might have to, to place a bet Crazy
Cider, be aware the new gambling regs coming are likely to flag up high credit utilisation and debt-to-income ratios as signs of financial vulnerability. I've stopped stoozing for this very reason.
just to clarify, the bookmakers can't see enough information, especially when dealing withwhat are considered high risk players, the exchnage has always been filled with high risk players
freddiewilliams 16 Feb 24 17:31
Restrictions on exchanges Duffy. Nobody got that before ac
Fair point but what if they are now thinking of along the lines of, if you are a winning exchange player and it's judged that you might be winning off people who also lose on the fobt's, so they remove you and free up more money for the fobt players.
Restrictions on exchanges Duffy. Nobody got that before ac
Fair point but what if they are now thinking of along the lines of, if you are a winning exchange player and it's judged that you might be winning off people who also lose on the fobt's, so they remove you and free up more money for the fobt players.
Restrictions on exchanges Duffy. Nobody got that before ac
nobody got restricted on the exchange bcos it was person to person. now padi's ball deep in every market, he's probably fielding the other side of your bet and as such is a bit jiggy about who he's taking bets from.
nobody got restricted on the exchange bcos it was person to person. now padi's ball deep in every market, he's probably fielding the other side of your bet and as such is a bit jiggy about who he's taking bets from.
Feb 16, 2024 -- 5:50PM, ladycarla wrote:
I don't think it is private, if you pay tax and have bank accounts they know, obviously legally they not suppose too which is why they have to ask for the info.
So you've played the game and given them your private information just to spend your own money
How does giving id, proof of address and a bank statement prove you're not a compulsive gambler or stealing from your employer to fund it ?
A few I know have limits. They thought it waste of time giving info. .wages minus bills.
Most I know don't touch the sportsbook
Most I know don't touch the sportsbook
They don't care as long as they've done their checks they are clear, it's all about the fines.
Cider, be aware the new gambling regs coming are likely to flag up high credit utilisation and debt-to-income ratios as signs of financial vulnerability. I've stopped stoozing for this very reason.
Cheers jamee1. I won't be doing any hoop jumping though.
Cheers jamee1. I won't be doing any hoop jumping though.
Must be a decade since I placed a bet on sportsbook.
U can deposit £100 into 36 different books a month. No questions asked. But that no good when u want 3600 into this site. And feck the other 35
Deposit what you need for a bank before they restrict you.
personally I have one significant event a year where my liability is 100x + of regular betting pattern. I'm not going to keep that as a bf bank in case I might need it in 9 months. In any case, it might not even be as lucrative this year.
Let say I earn 40k.before t and I.
2600 a month clear. No rent no mortgage. Will they give me 1500 limit a month
Ladycarla
2600 a month clear. No rent no mortgage. Will they give me 1500 limit a month
Ladycarla
Don't see why not Freddie, you can afford it, only reason I can see is if they've moved the goalposts since 2 years ago but I doubt that.
No problem lets hope you get another year before you have to do the drill.
if you've got a monster acca running up and you want to lay the last one here for £20,000 to guarantee a profit will they increase your limit for half an hour ?
Think I must of been one of the first and I know why, lost 2 grand over a weekend and next week got the email. Think it's a grand in 24 hours now so stop at 900 if you have a dreadful run.
i dropped 2k the other day on a race and expected a call because ive been told they are flagging 1k loss, not called as yet
With how fast they move last leg would need to be at least 72 hours later
i dropped 13k a few months ago and i got a call on that one lol
I still can’t see how they can square the prospect of a person paying PC regularly and them have to ask about your financials to see if you are ‘vulnerable’ enough to deposit.
It didn’t bother then taking half your profit, and that is a no betting transaction, they take it because they think you do too well, it’s totally artificial.
So I’d like to hear if any PC payers are getting asked for this sort of info?
On a side issue, I read a while back changing details on an account can trigger a request.
Well my account is golden, I’m not going into it but if I get a request then nobody is safe.
I havnt had one, but my bank card runs out end of this month and I’m wondering whether updating might cause an issue?
Has anyone refused to add new details and just start taking money out through PayPal?
It didn’t bother then taking half your profit, and that is a no betting transaction, they take it because they think you do too well, it’s totally artificial.
So I’d like to hear if any PC payers are getting asked for this sort of info?
On a side issue, I read a while back changing details on an account can trigger a request.
Well my account is golden, I’m not going into it but if I get a request then nobody is safe.
I havnt had one, but my bank card runs out end of this month and I’m wondering whether updating might cause an issue?
Has anyone refused to add new details and just start taking money out through PayPal?
Different thread but same old song being sung by many, blame Bookmakers etc etc etc when in fact all BF are doing is simple housekeeping by verifying accounts and imposing a temporary limit whilst the admin is done. They may not be doing a very efficient job of it but it is far from affordability checks in accordance with GC proposals.
Blaming the Bookies is boring and stupid, suggesting they want to have their businesses dismantled and restricted makes as much sense as Undertakers voting to ban pandemics or turkeys voting for Christmas to be twice a year!!!
Blaming the Bookies is boring and stupid, suggesting they want to have their businesses dismantled and restricted makes as much sense as Undertakers voting to ban pandemics or turkeys voting for Christmas to be twice a year!!!
think they go round and pick up regularly, i've been picked up twice since this came into play, tbf they've been good about it, strangely they didnt look at lifetime earnings before calling they just call people flagged i think, they initially are only interested in your deposit level compared to what they deem reasonable v earnings (no gambling)
toby, it's intrusive and there's a view that it's your money and your choice, they are being forced to check for those out of control but the net is too big (imo)
Ladycarla. How many months bankstatements u showem
How does verifying an account become an AC elise? It doesn't is the simple answer, maybe retrospective due diligence but they are not asking for financials.
Elise- if you don't mind me asking what's your limit? No worries if you don't want to say on AF. Agree net is to big but think they just covering everyone, imagine if you checked 90% of customers and the other 10% cost you 50 million in fines, just far easier for them to do everyone. They should put notes though when they've been checked and it would save alot of hours ringing customers up after a bad run.
Just take a look at the Gambling Commission website. They are loving the fines they hand out. Hate the Bookies but they are basically running scared.
carla, i had it cut from 20k to 3.5k as i don't have any legitimate income, i just keep plenty in there, dont actually deposit very often
just on those checks, the gc were indicating that 8/10 platyers would never see a check, maybe some background soft ID checks were happening but i think because of the nature on the exchanges we are seeing more people fall into the bracket of higher risk
That's a massive drop especially for a long term winner 
Did you have to change the why you bet/traded?
Freddie- just last 6 months at the time, scanned them over, took 2 mins for approval.
Did you have to change the why you bet/traded?Freddie- just last 6 months at the time, scanned them over, took 2 mins for approval.
Nothing to do with the bookies in that sense. I'll post a pic on here, sorry it's quite small but a series of bets under £10 as that is all I was limited to. Then I got this message!
Following a recent in-depth review by our trading team we regret to inform you that your account requires tighter restrictions in the future. This means your account will remain active, however the following limitations will be applied:
You will no longer be eligible for any free bets or cash credits offered as part of any promotional offer from Sky Bet.
Please note your eligibility to promotional offers will be removed on Monday 05th February.
If you are being limited because you are winning, then that's enough to prove you can afford to bet. By anyone's basic logic, including GC.
Following a recent in-depth review by our trading team we regret to inform you that your account requires tighter restrictions in the future. This means your account will remain active, however the following limitations will be applied:
You will no longer be eligible for any free bets or cash credits offered as part of any promotional offer from Sky Bet.
Please note your eligibility to promotional offers will be removed on Monday 05th February.
If you are being limited because you are winning, then that's enough to prove you can afford to bet. By anyone's basic logic, including GC.
no, i run a large balance so if i do have a blip like the one i mentioned i could manage ok, it's not ideal because one day i'll drop a massive one and then i may have to beg for a deposit level increase, that said i'm not planning on doing this for much longer
Feb 16, 2024 -- 6:55PM, elise wrote:
carla, i had it cut from 20k to 3.5k as i don't have any legitimate income, i just keep plenty in there, dont actually deposit very often
Deposit limit or loss limit, please Elise?
Feb 16, 2024 -- 7:02PM, elise wrote:
deposit, i don't have a loss limit
Thanks
Fair play Elise, keep winning then you don't have to call them 
dustybin • February 16, 2024 6:43 PM GMT
On a side issue, I read a while back changing details on an account can trigger a request.
Well my account is golden, I’m not going into it but if I get a request then nobody is safe.
I havnt had one, but my bank card runs out end of this month and I’m wondering whether updating might cause an issue?
Has anyone refused to add new details and just start taking money out through PayPal?
To avoid the issue of having to update cards I switched to bank transfer withdrawals a few years ago. I've had no problems using this method.
On a side issue, I read a while back changing details on an account can trigger a request.
Well my account is golden, I’m not going into it but if I get a request then nobody is safe.
I havnt had one, but my bank card runs out end of this month and I’m wondering whether updating might cause an issue?
Has anyone refused to add new details and just start taking money out through PayPal?
To avoid the issue of having to update cards I switched to bank transfer withdrawals a few years ago. I've had no problems using this method.
don't always win here carla, i do a variety of things and some of it moves money across to other exchanges / elsewhere, problem is they can only see here so determining what's ok and what's a fck up isn't too easy for them i guess
presumably they can see how old you are, and reside in a country that is nominally free for the moment.
for the moment ... what surprised me was they hadn't actually look at the info they held on my winnings until i asked them to
Yes that would complicate things and trying to explain it to customer service is a nightmare.
frontline is not great, the guys that deal with it behind them are really ok, reasonable and will take time on it
don't know how the internals work but I assume an algorithm simply triggers a case and then the checks initiated. doubt there is any profiling, unless the account is vip.
triggers i think, then a when did we last speak to them
Elise, do you pay PC/PC2? Are you a 'priority' customer?
yes, i know a few others that have been asked but only after major losses, funnily i think rico may have had a call a year or so back, think it was him that said but u'd need to ask him
something else i just thought of which may help some, one of the times i got picked up i'd changed my strategy / staking levels as i was experimenting with something and that was a trigger so wasn't just a sig loss
i strongly sense it will become unavoidable. this is just the beginning.
Have you seen any bookmakers coming on and mentioning checks on their accounts elise, indy's included and not all solvent all of the time or even long term winners on here? Probably because due diligence has been done over the years which has not been the case for individuals,many of whom have or had multiple accounts which is one of the housekeeping elements going on!!
they hold a bookmakers licence, they're also on diff types of account the reg users, same for those seeding, hardly likely to call malta and ask them for proof of income
It's called due diligence elise which different accounts or not was not done for individual accounts as it should have been when Indy's could have and did hold. Imo you and others are trying to read things which you think apply generally and include yourselves and which are perceived as some sort of AC check when it is not!!
im well aware it's due diligence, we've discussed this numerous times on here over the last couple of yrs
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