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Celtic warrior
05 Feb 24 16:39
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Can someone help me out here. This person has locked up £271,000 for maybe 9 months.

They could earn interest risk free at 5.00% of £10k during this time. Why are they doing this?

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By:
jamee1
When: 05 Feb 24 16:44
Greta has invested some of her weekly pocket money.
By:
Hayden
When: 05 Feb 24 16:46
Hiding funds from somebody i'd imagine Celtic , maybe claiming something or could even be the wife  Grin
By:
Angela Rebecchi
When: 05 Feb 24 16:48
Maybe big Labour layers picking up the free money from their green if someone matches them. Around £1,000,000 matched sub 1.2 Labour. So if you layed £200,000, you might as well use your green on the Greens and lay 1000.0 if someone willing to match
By:
Hayden
When: 05 Feb 24 16:49
I've got £3.5k green on the Labour most seats market but did nick 67 ticks so no need to consider interest with that margin and low sum.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 05 Feb 24 16:50
people had upwards of £300,000,000 tied up on the USA next president when biden got in..how do people deposit 300 mill?

answers on a postcard..believe nothing.
By:
Angela Rebecchi
When: 05 Feb 24 17:01
there I was thinking that was your money rico ! LaughWink
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 05 Feb 24 20:38
most i ever had in was 250k..then metal detector reduced it Grin
By:
appformat
When: 06 Feb 24 08:22
from the graphs i'm only seeing £12.40 matched at 1000

so it's £12k tied up not £271k

on a side note, Reform look a play at 100/1

they wont win ofcourse but they'll very likely go shorter considering how awful both lab & cons are.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 06 Feb 24 13:28
appformat 06 Feb 24 08:22 
from the graphs i'm only seeing £12.40 matched at 1000

so it's £12k tied up not £271k

£6200 layer £6.20 backer.
By:
Hayden
When: 06 Feb 24 13:34
One thing i always thought you needed to do was half the risk on a horse to hit the correct figure.

If you look into the Flyers at Devils game in the NHL on Feb 18th there's £139 matched on money line but the figure matched is £68.92 , so it's already halved.

Have i always had it wrong by halving it for accuracy  Confused
By:
1st time poster
When: 06 Feb 24 13:36
he,ll be paying tax on £9,000 of the interest if he,s a higher rate taxpayer thats at least £3,600
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 06 Feb 24 13:46
tax isnt deducted by banks anyone..would need to declare..who will please?
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 06 Feb 24 13:46
tax isnt deducted by banks anymore..would need to declare..who will please?
By:
howard
When: 06 Feb 24 13:54
well as of the new snooper rules of Jan 1st  anyone that doesn't fancy strangeways
By:
1st time poster
When: 06 Feb 24 13:55
how do yopu hide a legitimate savings acc paying 10 grand interest from the TAXMAN ?
By:
howard
When: 06 Feb 24 14:08
I take it that's a rhetorical question.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 06 Feb 24 14:10
allowed £12500 if dont work.
By:
1st time poster
When: 06 Feb 24 14:15
people not working tend not to bet £270,000 to win a few sheckles
By:
howard
When: 06 Feb 24 14:20
1. the money was nothing like that sum as already stated in thread
2. the purpose is likely to hide money not win any money.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 06 Feb 24 14:28
1st time poster 06 Feb 24 14:15 
people not working tend not to bet £270,000 to win a few sheckles


i did.
By:
howard
When: 06 Feb 24 14:33
yeah "people working tend not to bet £270,000 to win a few sheckles" would likely be more common.
By:
TameTheTiger
When: 06 Feb 24 14:37
can only earn 1k on interest before tax liable
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 06 Feb 24 15:48
aye but then only liable if you make more than your 12500 allowance.
By:
Brian
When: 06 Feb 24 16:21
£18570 if no other taxable income.
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 06 Feb 24 16:39
You may also get up to £5,000 of interest and not have to pay tax on it. This is your starting rate for savings.

The more you earn from other income (for example your wages or pension), the less your starting rate for savings will be.
If your other income is £17,570 or more

You’re not eligible for the starting rate for savings if your other income is £17,570 or more.

i didnt realise you get 5000 interest tax free.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 06 Feb 24 16:50
Might have backed them all for a free bet.

Will be hoping no others get added, lol



Layers want more added...
By:
breadnbutter
When: 06 Feb 24 16:50
OP assumes 265 layer is one individual and that is a single position, as already mentioned its green being turned into potential profit from other plays, either trading or position taking.

Pretty sure initially the greens of Eng and Wales were not in this market when it was first put up, same as the reform UK (?).
By:
Cider
When: 06 Feb 24 17:18
Savings interest is reported by all the institutions to HMRC. If you actually work like most of us, you don't actually pay the tax directly (if liable), the tax code is adjusted for the following year.

Anyone earning over £10K interest on cash has to file a self assessment.

There are, of course, multiple workarounds.
By:
1st time poster
When: 06 Feb 24 17:40
sunak dropped the tax free interest to £1000 which as rates have risen is now sub £30,000 in savings
By:
Rico-Dangleflaps
When: 06 Feb 24 17:43
what are they cider..?

ive earned 12k last 12mths.
By:
1st time poster
When: 06 Feb 24 17:49
split with your spouse
if spouse doesnt earn,put it all in her name
are the easy 2
By:
Cider
When: 06 Feb 24 17:53
Breached the threshold for SA, if not doing them already.

Gilts, money market (s&s isa), cash isa, premium bonds the obvious ones.
By:
Cider
When: 06 Feb 24 18:03
For example, you can hold VG Sterling Short-Term Money Market Fund in a stocks and shares ISA. It effectively tracks sonia (base rate), yielding circa 5.2% less a small amount of fees. I like this one as the income is paid out monthly, but there are plenty of other MMFs to choose from.
By:
longbridge
When: 06 Feb 24 23:59
"if spouse doesnt earn,put it all in her name"

and pray she doesn't divorce you anytime soon?
By:
appformat
When: 07 Feb 24 07:12

Feb 6, 2024 -- 1:28PM, Rico-Dangleflaps wrote:


appformat 06 Feb 24 08:22

By:
appformat
When: 07 Feb 24 07:17
prev post didnt format correctly for some reason.

the BF graph shows £12 traded at 1000/1 on Greens

which is 12k

as I said.

dunno where you get this 271k from or this £6200 layer £6.20 backer.

maybe you need to goto specsavers.
By:
breadnbutter
When: 07 Feb 24 07:43
12.4 traded = 6.2 matched= 6,200

The figure 263k  is what's available at max odds (999)

And for some reason OP thinks it's one punter, when it's most likely green from either laying Labour/Conservative.

Am more worried about who has the 273 at 2 in that market,(most seats greens of Eng and wales)...

REFORM UK the steamer here Shocked
By:
Celtic warrior
When: 07 Feb 24 07:59
Thanks all. Is this an example then of the betfair algorithm seeding the market for the greens based on corresponding equal but opposite lays for the other parties?

Apologies for my ignorance on this one. It started as a hypothetical question from me!
By:
breadnbutter
When: 07 Feb 24 08:14
Someone has requested that selection was added, as soon it appeared everyone already matched  in market would get green or red appearing on that selection.

So no need to seed imo, just ask what exactly it is you want to know?

BTW I am no expert, they will be along shortly...
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