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By:
Hayden
When: 06 Feb 24 20:18
Talking about Robinson/Davey one horse in particular dragged me into getting involved in the sport , Deep Diver    Happy
By:
workrider
When: 06 Feb 24 20:43
Hayden did he also own Green God another fantastic sprinter from yesteryear..
By:
Hayden
When: 06 Feb 24 20:47
Fairly sure Green God was Robinson workrider but not sure about Davey , stretching my memory bank that one mate and one of the guys required here to confirm or otherwise.
By:
sparrow
When: 06 Feb 24 20:51
Vernons Sprint Cup winner at Haydock 1971.

1971    Green God    3    Lester Piggott    Michael Jarvis    David Robinson
By:
Hayden
When: 06 Feb 24 20:53
Thanks sparrow  Happy
By:
workrider
When: 06 Feb 24 20:58
Ah so the old memory is still active and doing ok..Laugh
By:
themightymac
When: 06 Feb 24 21:16
Great stuff guys. Great memories. Great input by all.

As stated earlier Robinson made his fortune from tvs. Think he owned Radio Rentals and was in from the start when tv became popular but I may be wrong. He gave away millions to charity and built a wing at either Cambridge or Oxford University in memory of his late wife, but I can`t remember which one. He owned a lot of good horses 60s and 70s as mentioned in this thread. My Swallow was leading 2-y-o of 1970 ahead of Mill Reef and Brigadier Gerard which was quite a feat. Beat Mill Reef in the Prix Robert Papin at Maisons Lafitte in 1970. Probably the best he ever owned.

1971 2000 Guineas arguably the greatest ever race for the Classic and I never tire of watching it. Here is the link for the race: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es28rlQXdiI
By:
themightymac
When: 06 Feb 24 21:17
Is pacemaker magazine still going workrider? I used to get it all the time.
By:
themightymac
When: 06 Feb 24 21:18
..... or is it just available on a computer?
By:
workrider
When: 06 Feb 24 21:21
No finished a long time ago now ...
By:
sparrow
When: 06 Feb 24 21:23
Great to see the 1971 2000 guineas again and has to be the best field of all time with those three brilliant horses fighting out the finish.  A proper classic field and thanks for posting, mac.
By:
themightymac
When: 06 Feb 24 21:23
... thought as much. Misunderstood your post earlier. Apologies mate.
By:
themightymac
When: 06 Feb 24 21:26
You`re welcome Sparrow. Picture quality is not great but still glad it can still be seen. I think My Swallow started fav, Mill Reef 2nd fav and the Brigadier next. But not sure.
By:
Hayden
When: 06 Feb 24 21:30
The race was generally billed as a match between the 6/4 favourite Mill Reef and the 2/1 second favourite My Swallow. Brigadier Gerard was relatively overlooked at 11/2, Minsky, a full brother to Nijinsky and Irish champion 2-y-o in 1970 at 15/2, Good Bond at 16/1 and Indian Ruler the complete outsider at 100/1.
By:
sparrow
When: 06 Feb 24 21:30
Mill Reef’s trainer Ian Balding described the 1971 2000 Guineas as ‘Probably the Best of them all’. The quality field of 6 included the leading three two-year-olds of 1970, My Swallow, Brigadier Gerard, and his own Mill Reef.


Another interesting runner was the Irish raider Minsky, a full brother to the 1970 Triple Crown winner Nijinsky who was ridden by Lester Piggott. In total the six colts who lined up at the Rowley mile had won 27 of their 33 races.

The race was generally billed as a match between the 6/4 favourite Mill Reef and the 2/1 second favourite My Swallow. Brigadier Gerard was relatively overlooked at 11/2, Minsky, a full brother to Nijinsky and Irish champion 2-y-o in 1970 at 15/2, Good Bond at 16/1 and Indian Ruler the complete outsider at 100/1.
By:
ronnie rails
When: 06 Feb 24 21:36
Themightymac

Did you ever put a tanna in the back of David Robinsons tvs i bet plenty on here did.
Hope you are well.
Ronnie.
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By:
workrider
When: 06 Feb 24 21:38
Think it was usually 2 bob Ronnie..
By:
themightymac
When: 06 Feb 24 21:45
Yes indeed Ronnie! Those were the days. I Wish we could go back to then. Hope you are well too mate.

Thanks for clarification guys on the betting for that wonderful race. Memory can play tricks on us.
By:
geoff m
When: 06 Feb 24 22:05
Robinsons crack sprinter Green God finished 2nd to  Mill Reef in the 1970 Gimcrack. WEll i say  2nd i think daylight was 2nd. Mill Reef absolutely pulverised the Gimcrack field that day. Well worth a watch on you tube if you havent seen it before.
By:
differentdrum
When: 06 Feb 24 22:46
I know My Swallow was a top 2yo, but he didn't do a great deal in his second season. Deep Diver was very busy, but top class for two seasons. I remember him being turned over by Stilvi at Goodwood before he reversed that form at York. She only won up to Group 3 level, but given the horses she beat I think she was a bit better than that.
By:
workrider
When: 06 Feb 24 22:54
I remember her with affection differentdrum, think Bruce Hobbs trained her black with white spots were her colours if I remember correctly..
By:
TommyWestofLanark
When: 06 Feb 24 23:38
Great thread again All by usual contributors.Been out on Grandad duties all night (girls football).

Ged-Thanks for the info on Lochranza ( gelding). I may be getting mixed up with another Joe Carr horse Make Believe.
Aegean Blue was indeed the Johnson Houghton horse I was thinking about.
As I've said many times here, I don't have the Horses in Training or form books for those years anymore.
Interesting that you camped on Arran for two nights and it rained.So whats new in these parts.Cry I'm ashamed to say that I've never been to ArranBlush. Going back to the Usher/Vaux races- Ushers was one of the worst beers sold in Scotland in the sixties but Vaux could be described as vile. We used to drink in a pub in Lanark called The Black Bull which was Vaux, may have been brewer owned and was good for under age entry. Lots of stable lads lodged there and us 16 year olds were giants by comparison. JP Yeomans and Postons lads used the rooms upstairs.

verbotene liebe- Colin Crossley if I remember was quite shrewd placing his horses I think he trained Scoria to win the Cesarewitch. He also trained one for Paul McCartney's dad Drakes Drum. Another one was for an Everton player Brian Labone excuse spelling, which always had a blue noseband, think it began with a B.

Mention of Paul Davey. I think His father Ernie Davey trained a mare called Granville Greta which ran against the Jack Ormston trained Le Garcon D'Or who appears on many threads.
By:
geoff m
When: 07 Feb 24 03:03
She was Workrider. However her exploits off the track as broodmare far exceeded those on the track.She was probably the most influential broodmare of the mid/late 70s & early 80s.Producing the following top class racehorses:
Tolmi:      Coronation Stakes/2nd in Guineas
Tromos:     Dewhurst/flopped as 3 yr old.
Taxiarchos: I think he ran 2nd to Formidable(Middle Park winner) @ Leger meeting
Tyrnavos:   2nd Dewhurst/ Irish Derby
Tacypous:   Middle Park
By:
verbotene liebe
When: 07 Feb 24 07:22
Thank you very much for that heads up on Scoria Tommy West of Lanark - did not know he’d trained a Cesarwitch winner, a meritable feat considering he trained strings of under 20 in number.

Never seemed to be a trainer who spoke much to the press - at least in the second half of the 70’s when he had an apprentice named M.A Banner who I’m surprised to find could do 8st, as he looked a lanky type, like many modern day flat jocks.

Have found  that Labone owned the Ayrshire Handicap winner Goodison in the early 1970’s. The  Sangster family  were also listed owners - as you  probably know they had family home in  Hoylake  which is not too far from Neston, where Crossley trained.
By:
differentdrum
When: 07 Feb 24 09:29
Stilvi used to be my specialist subject. Full imformation on this thread:-

https://theracingforum.co.uk/forums/topic/ialysos-nice-to-see-the-old-colours-again/
By:
ged
When: 07 Feb 24 09:39
Tree Fella was a Crossley horse that he bred, owned and trained. I saw him run a few times at Chester in the early 80s, usually at 6f. He looked quite a tall horse, but seemed to go round the bends well enough.
By:
TommyWestofLanark
When: 07 Feb 24 10:57
verbotene liebe- Goodison that was the one thanks.
By:
madhatter
When: 07 Feb 24 10:59
David Robinson also built the Robinson Swimming Pool in my home town of Bedford (Radio Rentals was also based there).
The pool still bears his name to this day.
By:
ged
When: 07 Feb 24 11:20
Goodison won a few times round Chester. I think he also won the race at Newcastle that was going on in the scene in the film Get Carter that was shot at the track while racing was taking place. You can here his name mentioned in the racecourse commentary.
By:
sparrow
When: 07 Feb 24 11:37
You don't miss a thing ged, considering all the times I saw that film and never knew the winner of that race.
By:
howard
When: 07 Feb 24 13:51
also ayr '74 sea pigeon 1st hurdle run         

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YbSBIgOOwk
By:
howard
When: 07 Feb 24 13:53
* correction newcastle   but correct year !
By:
differentdrum
When: 07 Feb 24 13:57
Was a guy who uploaded loads of old Sea Pigeon stuff on You Tube, but sadly, all disappeared a few months ago. Was one of the best resources for old races.
By:
howard
When: 07 Feb 24 14:02
this guy has a good copy of the sea pigeon v night nurse v golden cygnet  scottish champion. All the talk was of the latter but for me SP was always cruising and to pick up NN who got first run was outstanding.
By:
themightymac
When: 07 Feb 24 19:17
Crossley was a good trainer. I remember Scoria but I was trying to remember the decent juvenile hurdler he had but it`s name escapes me. I`m pretty sure it ran in the Triumph. Who was it that trained Wovoka? Anybody remember. Early 70s.
By:
themightymac
When: 07 Feb 24 20:14
I`m getting Crossley mixed up with Vernon Cross, I think he trained Wovoka.
By:
geoff m
When: 07 Feb 24 20:43
The 8;30 Kempton winner Capstan.
I seem to remember D*ck Hern had a colt so named from the Hollingsworth family tree that all carried "nautical names". Recall it ran 4th to that great filly and even better broodmare Height Of Fashion @ Newmarket in the Princess Of Wales Stakes July  meeting .Think Ardross went of fav & was placed. Capstan then went on to win @ Goodwood later in the month.

Height Of Fashion(like Stilvi) produced some top class racehorses most notably:
Nashwan
Unfuwain
Nayef
Sarayir
and is also great/great /grandam of
Baeed
By:
verbotene liebe
When: 08 Feb 24 05:55
Sad when owner/breeders pass away and no one in the family wishes to continue the operation. With the Hollingsworths the nephew, Dixon, became involved for a shortwhile but the lines are now spread out all over the place but do throw a good one every now and then. In recent times dual G1 winner Dreamloper traces back to Bireme via Livia’s Dream, Brindisi and Genoa.

Seems Con Crossley emigrated to Australia in the mid 80’s. Have found that his wife was a qualified vet and they had the points to be accepted with immigrant status. He cited low prize money as the reason and planned to continue within the sport Down Under. Only just discovered this, hadn’t a clue what had happened and no idea what became of him after. To me he was the trainer of Dibbinsdale Lad, who won one of the most competitive first half of the season three year old handicaps outside of Royal Ascot - have now found that as well as Scoria, he trained a smart sprint handicapper called Moor Lane who was third behind Alphadamus and Home Guard in a vintage renewal of the  Stewards Cup.

Tree Fella is mentioned by Ged - I do remember him running at Chester and Haydock but could not have put a trainer’s name to him. Also found a curious piece from Pat Labone ( Brian Labone’s model wife). She recalled Goodson the horse, who it seems was destroyed after breaking a fetlock at Market Rasen. She says that both herself and her husband where not present on the day and were upset when they found out what had happened as they believed an owner had to be contacted to give their permission for a horse to be put down.Surely the husband can’t have believed that, and I’m guessing the proof reading went off the tracks here.
By:
verbotene liebe
When: 08 Feb 24 06:30
*should read Livia’s Dream, Brindisi,  Genoa, Yawl, Bireme.
By:
ged
When: 08 Feb 24 09:35
Colin Crossley had a good horse called Tamorn in the 1960s (I don't remember it). It was bred by his father. It won the Beeswing hcap at Newcastle on the flat, and ran in the Scottish Champion Hurdle, and the Mildmay of Flete at Cheltenham.
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