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a good programme imv.
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a good programme imv.
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some shocking personal stories on this programme...
well worth a watch. |
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Thousands of Miners fighting to stay in work to pay mortgages.
Thousands of Police sat in transit vans on overtime for a year paid off mortgages in a year. First thing Thatcher done when she got in power was big pay rises to the police and army. The amount of police and ARMY at Orgreave was a fckin scandal. |
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It was decent but should have been a whole lot better.....That was a War the programme makers did not do it justice imo.
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there are 3 episodes in total i think acey..
it's more about the people stories imv... i enjoyed episode 1 anyway. |
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Worth a watch but i am sure a couple of Miners got killed on the Picket Line and didn't even get a mention or did i miss that?
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Scargill had no Mortgage Payment Problems ,has he Still got the Paid for Luxury flat in London as well as his Detached house ?
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I remember Met police taunting miners on the picket line by waving ten pound notes at them. A day in the pit would have broke those Met officers.
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Coal Miners back in the Day has to be one of the worst Jobs going/
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Was a dying industry ,UK prices undercut world Wide , should have been phased out over a period of Years Perhaps a couple of Decades , Horrible Job , done by very hard working men it was their Lives and Fathers Lives ...
Maggie Thunberg , would be a hero among the Climate Lefties these days |
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I've been down 2 working pits, including Fanny pit at Rothwell
 . Face work was often uncomfortable and hard, many other jobs no harder than most tbf, one of my pals was a pit electrician. |
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casemoney30 Jan 24 20:41Joined: 04 Aug 06 | Topic/replies: 58,347 | Blogger: casemoney's blog
Scargill had no Mortgage Payment Problems ,has he Still got the Paid for Luxury flat in London as well as his Detached house ? A tough life being a trotskyist, i bet the railway union bosses are really struggling as well. My dad was working down a pit when he was 14 in the Rhondda Valley, moved to Gloucester when he was 18 to be a forester and work in the fresh air, said to me, "don't ever work down a mine, the worst job in the world." |
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So what did your dad mean stewarts.....That the worst job in the world did not have strong enough union representation?
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Don't even think they had unions then Sparrow, he just meant working underground, seeing no daylight, collapses, the older blokes getting really bad lungs etc, he was very glad to get out. This would have been around 1928-30.
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stewarts, The General Strike began in 1926 as a result of a miners strike and their union had existed since the 1800s.
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My old man worked down the pit 43 years he used to say to me 'no son of mine is ever going to work down the the pit and if you turn up at the managers office looking for a job i will tell him not to give it you'.
He died 3 years ago aged 95 and even then he would say 'would go back down tommorrow' when i said why? he would reply not for the work but he missed the characters,comradeship and the good crack. His Father died at age 67 from miners lung after being down for 47years and my gran was paid £37 compensation in 1965 after a post mortem confirmed the condition. |
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Not good viewing and hard times proud men relying on hand outs,but it had to happen imo….
Underground working in filthy unhealthy conditions |
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One thing it gives is the stance Thatcher would have taken against the dinghy incomers invading the country….
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There is a great film Called 'The Cumberland Story' on the British film institute website about mining in the 40's.
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And what would Oliver Cromwell have done FFS
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Families still in the huff since the eighties ffs……why !
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Come and listen you fellows, so young and so fine
And seek not your fortune in the dark, dreary mine It will form as a habit and seep in your soul Till the stream of your blood is as dark as the coal It's dark as a dungeon and damp as the dew Where the danger is double and pleasures are few Where the rain never falls and the sun never shines It's as dark as a dungeon way down in the mine Just the first part of Dark As A Dungeon (Down In The Mine) and a song by Merle Travis that sums up what the job was like, my maternal grandfather made his fortune from coal mines but started at the pit face when he was 14 years old. He was long retired by the time of the strike but he hated Scargill and viewed him as a crook lining his own pockets whilst giving the impression he was a Socialist. |
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Working Down Pit or in an Abattoir i would rather die ffs
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Love my Bacon Sandwitch though.
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1830 states that Maggie gave big pay rises to the Police and the Army when she got the job, he was obviously in neither or he would know how poorly paid they were in the first place, worse than the miners btw.
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acey deucy 31 Jan 24 12:02
Working Down Pit or in an Abattoir i would rather die ffs Ditto… |
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CagliariG 31 Jan 24 12:17
1830 states that Maggie gave big pay rises to the Police and the Army when she got the job, he was obviously in neither or he would know how poorly paid they were in the first place, worse than the miners btw. Can you supply the figures rearding Police Pay as opposed to miners for this claim? |
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*regarding
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Not off hand sparrow but it was below the private sector in most cases.
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''Not going down 'tt' pit''.
A great line by Billy Casper in 'Kes' |
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scargill was a socialist revolutionary and used his postion to try and further his own ends
he was desperate for action and wouldnt allow his members a vote on striking in case they made the wrong decision. this is one reason it caused such bitter division. some miners resented strike by presidential diktat, which is what it was he of course was well-paid and had a fat pension and grace and favour flat in london and risked and lost nothing, unlike his members who paid for him to play politics |
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compare the miners with junior doctors, need vs greed!
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Almost as bad if not worse was Mick McGahey whom my grandfather also hated and had many clashes with him, a communist who also abused his position to further his politics, like many union leaders who in reality had little interest in their members.
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My old dad always said Joe Gormley was the best NUM leader.
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In 2002, the BBC uncovered that Gormley had worked for Special Branch by passing on information on extremism within his own union. A former Special Branch officer made this allegation and said that Gormley "loved his country. He was a patriot and he was very wary and worried about the growth of militancy within his own union". The BBC claimed, "Special Branch was talking to more than 20 senior trades union leaders during the early 1970s"
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think THE BATTLE OF ORGRAVE is tomorrow night
read stories of miners saying in hindsight they were set up like kippers by thatcher anbd the police to take a good kicking previously they,d been stopped from leaving villages,followed around town.villages by police,on this day the police couldnt have been nicer,smiling, have a nice day lads,weathers lovely for picketing etc as they made their way to orgreve, LAMBS TO THE SLAUGHTER |
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Asked a few questions via Forces Reunited sparrow and in 1976 a soldier just joining was on £3.54 per day, in 1983 a Leading Airman was on £13.25 per day, still waiting for Police Salaries from oldies.
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My steel toecap boots from my locker on a Monday morning would be like Aladdins shoes,Even the rats stayed away from underground but the mice loved it down there, there were thousands of them down there. Would i go back there, yes.
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loved the old man and bloke in 40,s/50,s who said they go back on nightshift tonight,
mines,steelworks,shipyards have something that if you havnt worked in them,you,d never understand , its like listening/looking for your football teams score although youve been for 30 yrs |