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Very good clip about a guy taking the casinos to the cleaners and playing Blackjack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO6aPOkCt84&t=447s&ab_channel=Wonder
Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nO6aPOkCt84&t=447s&ab_channel=Wonder
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1995 called, they want their blackjack card counter back.
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The last time I went to a casino & watched blackjack, they shuffled the deck after every 3 hands thus defeating all card counters & making it impossible to beat the only game that could ever be beaten in a casino in the long term.
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I made some fairly decent money card counting a long time back...around 1996-2002 period.
As suggested above, it became a heck of a lot more difficult and potentially impossible depending on the casino conditions they apply. It also just wasn't worth bothering with all the hassle you would inevitably start to get from the staff - one night I was even playing recreationally (drunk) for small stakes, and a guy basically came over and started counting numbers in my ear. He was one of the main staff managing the place. They lost out on my few hundred quid that I would have lost that night, as I left. I think I stopped bothering at all not long after that. |
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If you can be bothered to do it, the only game you do still have a chance for real advantage is Roulette - not fully the game of chance some believe it is.
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and you're sitting in the forum when the casino's are open?
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Excellent documentary, I loved the idea of taping a high value chip to his knee to confuse the NFC technology when switching his bet size. I tried basic card counting in Vegas in about 2001 +1/-1 etc, its very difficult, especially annoying when the cards are coming out relatively evenly all the time. And very annoying when you have some doughnut ahead of you on the deal taking pictures and busting when best strategy would be to stick as the dealer is showing a two/three/four or five.
 Looks like auto shuffling has ruined card counting then... |
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Stu- part of my PhD in Statististics covered roulette. Believe me it can't be done UNLESS you clock a wheel & find a mechanical imperfection. To overcome this, casinos rotate the position of the wheels. The only casino game that could be beaten was blackjack & I did it by card counting after purchasing the book by Lawrence Revere when I first visited Las Vegas in the 1970s. I was "encouraged" not to play blackjack in a certain casino in London & banned by 4 casinos in Brighton.
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stu is away to the local casino..be back later with his p&l.
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if stu has the odds in his favour with roulette his only destination will be HMP Belmarsh
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can someone explain how you click on a link on here again please
i,d like to give it a watch sometime cheers |
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Interesting slicer - depends on which method you were testing?
Dealer bias is the key - which can be either accidental or if very dodgy then intentional - just enough to alter the 'random' odds of a spin. |
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I didn't say I do it now, it's far too much work for small profit. But I have in the past - the 'accidental' version, not the intentional.
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Is Time
Right click and highlight the link and take it from there. |
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https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2023-how-to-beat-roulette-gambler-figures-it-out/?leadSource=uverify%20wall
long read, disable javascript to avoid firewall |
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The cliff notes for my technique - you find a very tired and/or pissed off roulette croupier working in the small hours of the night...
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Best also with a fairly busy table so you won't get noticed.
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I was a dealer for many years and thought of a way to win at Roulette.
It's not gambling it's a way of cheating and I have never heard of anybody else doing this. It is so simple and takes a fraction of a second to set up. |
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from above article
One of the biggest livestreamers was Evolution Gaming Group. Founded in 2006 with some casino equipment and a small office in Latvia, the company charged betting firms a percentage of revenue to use its platform, which became a wildly lucrative niche. About a decade ago, according to several former employees, Evolution staff made a strange discovery. A handful of players were winning at statistically absurd rates on the roulette wheels spinning day and night at its facility in Riga. Engineers investigated and pinpointed a culprit: the floor. Specifically, there was a gap between its solid concrete base and the carpeted playing surface laid down just above, a standard feature in studios where audio is recorded. When a croupier stood next to the televised table, the floor flexed ever so slightly, not enough to catch the human eye but tilting enough to help anyone using prediction software. One online user won tens of thousands of dollars from a major Evolution partner before engineers installed platforms to steady the wheels. |
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Pros at roulette and blackjack. Horses a walk in the park compared
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I'd agree freddie - wouldn't bother these days with casinos to try and make money - even if you manage it, it will be small profits and plenty of hassle and time spent to earn it.
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Stu the wheel has no memory or soul so how you going to make money long term?
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read the bloomberg article I posted ladycarla
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That's not the way it works lady - it's about how the dealer spins the ball and wheel.
It's a fairly long and complex process to use that, and as I say I wouldn't bother to do it for the amount you can win - but it can turn the odds into your favour if you study and work at it long enough. |
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I'm not referring to dave's article BTW not read that yet.
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ive scene the ball plop into 1 number and stay there..
ive seen the ball bounce around 5 times.. ive seen the pop bounce halfway across the wheel.. walofs. |
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ive scene the ball plop into 1 number and stay there..
ive seen the ball bounce around 5 times.. ive seen the ball bounce halfway across the wheel.. walofs. |
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Just bet the split on 8 and 11 - half a billion chinese can't be wrong surely, can they?
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Odd analysis rico - sure you've seen horses fall over fences, so what - you can still win can't you overall?
You don't need to win every time to make a profit. |
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Just need to win a fraction more than the odds you are given.
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I read an article a couple of years back saying many casinos were using an eight deck counter. Impossible to beat for card counters.
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3 card brag……
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the eight decks isn't a problem - it's the shuffle machine and only going to half way or less that is the problem.
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back in the day eight decks was an advantage as most dealers shuffled in sections because it took too long to shuffle properly. So if you kept an eye on where the area with a lot of tens were you could work out where that went when it was shuffled.
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Stu- I seen people lose their house on the wheel, in fact I know someone who lost 3 houses when he got hooked
 Never known anybody to be a long term winner on it. My mate once thought he had a system and has he walked in the casino he said the manager 'I've got a system and going to take alot of money of you'.The manager coolly said 'Come on in, what you drinking? He got free drinks all night what cost him 10 grand  |
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Increasing the number of decks to 8 is the old way of beating the counters because it evens out the count making it much less skewed or extreme. The way to try to beat that was to divide the true count by 8. The modern way is using the automatic shuffler after every 3 deals. And the problem with the floor fits in with what I said about the mechanically defective wheel. I repeat what I posted in another thread: I was in a casino once & saw zero come up 3 times in 5 spins. All the systems players were wiped out while a little old granny who bet her 1 pound on zero & one other number every spin went home very happy. I'll also repeat what the pilot of the plane on which I travelled to Las Vegas or Lost Wages as I call the very first time announced over the pa on landing : "Take a look at all these luxurious hotels ladies & gentlemen. They weren't built on winners!"
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evening rainman ....
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Not really. just someone who researched the statististics of Casino gambling within PhD. It is said that to win at gambling one needs an edge. The only edge you'll ever see regarding Casino games the the one you'll get pushed off of if you cheat or upset certain people associated with worldwide casinos!
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Watched a dude play 500 pound chips on evens the colours, lost 10k, doubled up his bets and lost another 10k in no time, he never won a single spin, was a few ago and never felt the need to go back. The croup was a Russian and was giving it a bit of needle, once dude was empty he was gave it arms in air , I am the best in the business, don't mess with me. Was bizarre.
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Slicer, I spoke to a professional croupier who worked for many years on roulette - he said most croupiers know that how they make each spin can clearly link to the area or region of the ball falling. The words he used were 'it's basically a ball skill or sport' and you could easily make sure approx where the ball ended up each spin. He also said their bosses looked out for collusion in roulette spinners - which tells you they know it could be predictable based on spins.
I never worked directly with a croupier (which is basically fraud), but the related issue is that when they get sloppy and/or tired, they can also become partly predictable, if you know what you're looking for and how to apply that. The bosses around the tables will often look out for that too, and then change the spinner - but sometimes they don't... |