Nico DB - Terrible over rated jockey

was mile better than Brennan still there though...

He's always been no better than average. Some on here called him the best jump jockey out there. You've got to laugh. The Queally of the jumps.

Nico on a rules debutant beaten by a past C and D winner and Nico is a dolt?! And who took the 11/8 about this?
You or Nico?

I backed the winner so am happy that he was on the other one. My point is a general one not based on one race. Luckiest NH jockey ever that he got the gig he did.

MJK .... Exactly. I have racked my brain as to why Henderson keeps him. A few of his owners won't have him on but he still gets the lions share. I honestly feel if he was from the wrong side of the tracks he would get slaughtered by the media. However he is best mates with most of them.
Henderson should have a Top 5 jockey as his No.1 (like Barry G)... I wouldn't put Nico in the Top 50. Tactically he is clueless which is how he gets beat on so many favourites.

LoyalHoncho - do you think I'm talking about 1 race? I have never seen such an average to poor jockey manage to keep such a high profile job for so long. If he was so great then why doesn't hardly any other trainer use him in the big races when he is free? Reason is they know he is out of his depth.

Nico has a strike rate of better than 41% on favs, take away those that won last time or no previous form out and this improves to 44%,

Looks dreadful at a fence or hurdle and not very good in a finish,him being posh boy probably helps him keep the Job..

I can’t get my head round why he is in front of Mark Walsh on the big occasion…..strange tbf

Guess that makes Henderson a poor judge of jockey then

They get attached to favourites Hayden,they can do no wrong….

Havlin - Gosden…..

Tiger Tiger - He rides so many odds on shots that I'm sure you can pull stats out that make him look good. Watch the races and see him get beat time and time again on the best horse in a close finish. Tactically he is completely clueless. Henderson should have a top 5 jockey as his number one. Are you telling me there isn't 5 better jockeys out there then NDB?

Hayden - It does in this case. I think its blind loyalty. He is not the only trainer. Sir Henry Cecil employed a few which weren't great. Queally was out of his depth to name one. Quinn and Ted D to name two more.
Do you not think that Henderson should have a Top 5 jockey? Is Nico Top 5? serious question.

If you 'know' that he is an overrated jockey, than surely you have a nice edge to exploit there?

Especially considering the price his mounts tend to start at given who trains them.

Quinn out of his depth….good god !

Yes probably correct , remember everyone slagging McGlone but Cecil loved him.

He's not my favourite jockey, but if there were 5 better than him out there then I would think NJH would know. His record on those evens or less is a strike rate of 65% and shows a profit over the years.

He's 15 winners at the Cheltenham Festival, been top jockey there once, he's been trusted on Altior, Shiskin, Sprinter Sacre and more, not bad for an ex stable jockey who's University intention was to become a politician!

The list is endless Hayden …

May even be 16 Cheltenham winners?

Not a combination i can ever get right, you can see and hear it in their interviews what they think of punters, must run a fairly tight ship as some of them attract no money at all and run well.

Been watching racing since childhood since my teens Newmarket but still wouldn't consider myself qualified to comment with confidence , too subjective in my mind in that their standards can differ from ride to ride similar to other walks of life.

Feel comfortable offering negative comments on particular rides on rare occasions but not on a jockey in general terms.

The have no time for the fodder…..fact !

Away from favourites, he shows an overall profit on all rides covering the last 15 years with a strike rate of better than 21% and an overall profit of more than 600 points at Bfsp with more profitable years than losing ones (last year 67 points profit to Bfsp)

I think I can safely trust Nicky Henderson to know a bit more about the merits of jockeys than the the OP.

maybe before lunchtime, definitely not after

Not only is Nico de B a first class jockey he is also an absolute gentleman.

Solid as a rock is Nico and how often to you see him get stick on here?....Very very rarely and that says it all really.

Jan 24, 2024 -- 2:53PM, Newmarket-spurs wrote:

Hayden - It does in this case. I think its blind loyalty. He is not the only trainer. Sir Henry Cecil employed a few which weren't great. Queally was out of his depth to name one. Quinn and Ted D to name two more.Do you not think that Henderson should have a Top 5 jockey? Is Nico Top 5? serious question.

Unfortunately you'll find that the posters who flagged him up here as 'one of the best' etc will be the same ones who will continue to do so as they can't be seen to have been talking absolute bollocks.

The only bollox being spoken is from the usual suspects who attack jockeys daily because they cant handle being skint two bob punters that will blame anything but their own poor judgement!! imvho

A perfect example of Nico's excellence is how he has transformed an ordinary horse into a useful one. Constitution hill.

I think he deserves way more credit than he gets. Henderson would not keep him if he was not the best

Henderson put up with Fitzgerald for far too long.

What a difference Geraghty made when he got on them.

Same scenerio with Nico and James Bowen now.

No fool like an old fool.

Henderson must be a judge as Robbie Dunne is riding for him

Tiger Tiger24 Jan 24 14:42Joined: 14 Jul 09 | Topic/replies: 23,372 | Blogger: Tiger Tiger's blog

Nico has a strike rate of better than 41% on favs, take away those that won last time or no previous form out and this improves to 44%,


Tiger Tiger24 Jan 24 15:04Joined: 14 Jul 09 | Topic/replies: 23,372 | Blogger: Tiger Tiger's blog

Away from favourites, he shows an overall profit on all rides covering the last 15 years with a strike rate of better than 21% and an overall profit of more than 600 points at Bfsp with more profitable years than losing ones (last year 67 points profit to Bfsp)


Great stats Tiger Have you got the same stats for Townsend TIA.

[b]Not trying to steal Tiger's thunder but had time on my hands and came up with this..[/b]

Paul Townend has a strike rate of 47.88% on favs since 23/03/2008, take out those that won last time or had no previous form and this drops to 40.79%.

Away from favourites, he shows an overall loss on all rides covering the last 15 years with a strike rate of 10.28% and an overall loss of 158.39 points at BFSP.

Between 2008 and 2023 there were more losing years than winning ones (9L v 7W).

To date this year his strike rate on non-favs is 42.86% (3 wins from 7 rides) and a profit of 7.30 points at BFSP.

Interestingly (or maybe not) all seven of those rides on non-favs this year were for Willie Mullins.

Thanks T2R

The big difference between the stats I would think is that the favs Townend rides are a lot shorter odds (majority odds on) than Nico?

Not that it matters but it tends to make the attackers look stupid contrary to them telling supporters they are talking bollox?
Btw T2R, cracking winner in the compy WD.

Anyone who thinks Bournville is anywhere near the level of someone like Townend as a jockey is talking even more of that stuff...

You need the AE to compare the jockeys, not strike rates

All just about above average for me ie Kneeko, Cobden and Townend.

They get the job done and ok given the ammo at their disposal but certainly not anything special like McCoy or Ruby.

Kind of think Jack Kennendy could still be top class but I dunno…you still get goofy rides now and then from him. But u put a gun to my head to pick one I’d go him.

Whatever happened to Blackmore? Seems to have fallen away since she kicked for home one circuit too early.

^ Hope you were on Aint That A Shame ...

Townend having a dream start to 2024, 2/3 today making his total 18/30 so far. Two at Cheltenham on Satuday both for the boss, Lossiemouth and Capodanno.

Since 2008 , the winner is.....

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The idiots will still knock him T2R.

Holy God, now we're going back 15 years. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

^^^ Oh, OK.

So, especially for MJK who seems a bit miffed, here are the head-to-head figures since 2019 which is only 5 years and twenty-odd days...

And the winner is, once again...

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Good work buddy.

Nico wins hands down on 5 years, BFAE 1.67 is excellent against Townend .87

So if you had a horse now you'd rather De Boinville rode it than Townend? Hilarious. BTW how many races does he have to choose his mount from multiple entries by his trainer compared to Townend?

Two very very good Jockeys but if my life depended on it probably just Townend imo.

What sort of race is it?

Because if it’s a bumper then I’m getting Ryan Moore up all day over then lot.

3 Mile Chase Heavy ground and Townend on The Mullins Hotpot.

MJK is always miffed.  Well worth the blocker.

MJK would prefer the stats whilst Nico is out injured, even when he changes the goalposts he scores an own goal.

Jan 26, 2024 -- 12:40PM, LoyalHoncho wrote:

MJK is always miffed.

Not the first time you've had a go at me purely because I called you out previously on something. Even if you truly don't believe what you're saying yourself.

Jan 26, 2024 -- 12:46PM, CagliariG wrote:

MJK would prefer the stats whilst Nico is out injured, even when he changes the goalposts he scores an own goal.

What you're trying to compare is like comparing a goalscorer in the Premier league to one a couple of divisions down. Townend rides against far better jockeys every day and Irish racing is a higher level. You do see that don't you? So far two of my stalkers on the thread having g a go purely because it's me, just waiting on the other Stooge to appear.

Nice hat trick there for MJK.  No body answers him so he answers himself. 

Rarely comment on anything you post MJK as you are impossible to reason with, in the case of Nico and the class of jockeys V Townend it makes little difference without comparing the class of horses they ride. The stats are even more telling when that comparison is factored in to include e.g small fields in Ireland and odds on favs Townend rides?

You need to reel in your ego and accept the stats do not lie and you have no kudos to attract stalkers!! HTH

Is that what he doing now?  Claiming he has has stalkers?
rotflmao.   

You're pretend blocker not working then? As I said your a sad man for holding a grudge so long. Just because you were called out. You might want to get dyno rod in to fix that blocker.

Are you foaming at the mouth? 
Blocked and he still rants.  The clear signs of madness.

Jan 26, 2024 -- 1:12PM, CagliariG wrote:

Rarely comment on anything you post MJK as you are impossible to reason with, in the case of Nico and the class of jockeys V Townend it makes little difference without comparing the class of horses they ride. The stats are even more telling when that comparison is factored in to include e.g small fields in Ireland and odds on favs Townend rides?You need to reel in your ego and accept the stats do not lie and you have no kudos to attract stalkers!! HTH

So a flat jockey in India who has better stats than Dettori or Moore is better than them? Did you ever consider maybe you just don't like admitting you're wrong instead of accusing someone else of being impossible?

Jan 26, 2024 -- 1:35PM, LoyalHoncho wrote:

Are you foaming at the mouth?

Still trying to figure out how I'm supposedly blocked by you yet you reply to my every post? How does that work? Surely you're not telling porkies again? Remember the last time, wouldn't like to see you go hiding again for a while.

If I am wrong then so is everyone else who disagrees with you and apart from the OP who ran away we appear to be the majority who understand that the stats do not lie over 15 years and 5 years, the class of horse makes them even more valid as reverse the positions and Nico would be even further in front!! HTH

A good thread ruined by a padded cell escapee.

^ still blocked? Only thing blocked is the blood flow to your brain it appears. Get to a vascular clinic ASAP

Jan 26, 2024 -- 1:39PM, CagliariG wrote:

If I am wrong then so is everyone else who disagrees with you and apart from the OP who ran away we appear to be the majority who understand that the stats do not lie over 15 years and 5 years, the class of horse makes them even more valid as reverse the positions and Nico would be even further in front!! HTH

You're blindly spouting stats but how can they compare when they're from different Countries. As I asked is a jockey from India better than Dettori or Moore if he has better stats from a different Country? That's what your basically saying.

Are you really such a low intellect that you fail to realise that you are the one who was making comparisons about jockeys from different countries MJK?

I'm using my eyes to compare, not stats though. You still haven't answered the question though?

There is no sensible question to answer, you keep moving the goalposts when in fact all we are saying is that Nico is a good jockey and far from useless as alleged by the pocket talkers!!

And you're using stats to say he's a better jockey than Townend to be fair. Is a striker in Malta better than Harry Kane because he has better stats? Or do we use ourceyes to know better? The vast majority of NH jockeys riding in the UK are very average imop, and I would put NDB in that grouping. Some are shockingly below that level. Now it maybe unfair to judge by comparing them to past jockeys but that's something that happens and can't be helped.

At no point have I said one is better than the other MJK, you are proving you are a pocket talker who cannot accept defeat despite the stats of the posts proving you are in a minority of 2 with the OP who had the sense to hide.

Btw stats are only records that change the next time an event alters them which is why I never use them in punting, as for your opinion on jockeys I would wager that the majority could adapt to your job whatever it might be, quicker than you could learn the end with the tail is not the one to feed carrots.

How is it 'pocket talking' if I rarely bet the bloke? You're assumption that I know nothing about horses leads me to believe you think you know everything? Sounds like the usual 'what do you know about horses' when someone complains. Or a bitter ex jockey type. If you had your life savings and you had to put it on one of those jockeys in a two horse race, both horses equal, who would you put it on? Ps, why do you refer to the amount of posters on this thread? More stats, you seem to be obsessed with them. Do you think that makes you right? Take your time answering these questions if you can see them from your Ivory Tower looking down on this pleb.

You really struggle to accept facts MJK, just told you I don't use stats but I cannot deny they are statements of fact. I am sure if statsman looks in he will confirm that I have gone against them for years as simply a record to be altered. If I had to use my life savings I would buy both horses and jockeys to ensure the correct result. HTH

Again you cant answer a straight question with a straight answer(or any question).Fair play, well leave it at that.

You want a comparison of equal ability horses so how about Shishkin V Energumene ?

Who won out of Nico and Paul and who was the better on the day?

What more can you ask for MJK,an actual event and not a hypothetical as you wanted me to speculate on, a hypothetical that is in fact reality and only two years ago to the week?

This thread is so disrespectful and iniquitous. Imagine you're the person in question, and being judged subjectively in a (betting) sport by punters you do not know or possess immense knowledge of the profession or sport.

These small minded people have more free time than sense or wisdom.