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Question arose because (form books permitting) I like to compile full records of horses when I first became interested. Yesterday, I did The Spaniard who was a very consistent handicapper through the 60's and early 70's. He won a George Duller, Fred Withington, and a relatively weak Scottish National. According to what I could find he won 29 races (3 Flat, 13 Hurdles and 13 Chases), winning every year bar his 2yo season. Very likely he would have reached 30 had his novice chase season (68/69) not been curtailed.
Timeform didn't give a breakdown of where he won on the Flat in 1965. I would be grateful if anyone had that information.
I know the likes of Bula, Credit Call, and Night Nurse all won 30 plus races, but has any horse managed to do it since then?
Timeform didn't give a breakdown of where he won on the Flat in 1965. I would be grateful if anyone had that information.
I know the likes of Bula, Credit Call, and Night Nurse all won 30 plus races, but has any horse managed to do it since then?
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Flying Ace?
But don't know how many came under rules |
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I remember the Spaniard.
Was it trained by Ken Oliver and possibly ridden by Barry Brogan for some of his victories? Credit Call was a hunter chaser? |
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not sure what the answer is to question differentdrum, but the Hunter Chase yesterday when Tea Clipper ran
reminded me of a older hunter chase horse with a similar name Tea Planter looked it up on RP and he won 24 out of 38 with 8 seconds under rules, and 3-4 in PTP with a third absolutely prolific round the gaffs ran in Christie HC at Festival a few times and finished 2nd once albeit in a five runner field behind odds on Double Silk still not 30 but looking up older horses is a real trip down memory lane when you see the names of horses and connections from past days  |
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The Spaniard was trained on the Flat by a J Sorrie who I know nothing about, then went to Oliver and ended with Richards. The Spaniard wasn't in the same class as stablemate Young Ash Leaf who only won 12 races, but was retired to stud at 8.
Credit Call was a prolific hunter chaser, initially for Chris Collins. My first day's racing included seeing him winning the Horse And Hound Cup by a short head, and Persian War gaining his last ever win. Pensham won over 40 points, but I was thinking about under rules. She was related to Sally Furlong who won at the Festival, and produced the promising, but ill fated, Romany Furlong. |
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Supermaster won 34 races in the 60s . Not sure if all were jumps but he was a great hurdler of Arthur Stephenson I think. I saw him win in a snowstorm at Wetherby when I was about 12 , going with my dad, who backed him every time he ran.
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So far I haven't done Supermaster purely because of the amount of work involved. He seemed to run nearly every week.
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Just confirmed he did win 34 over jumps.
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If you search Supermaster horse,, ther are several websites that tell his story.
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Supermaster brings back the memories .
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Provideo won 28 races as a 2yo for W.A.O'Gorman all within 9 weeks in the early 1980's.
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Crudwell Between 1950 and 1960 won 43 over jumps and 7 on the flat.His biggest win was the Welsh Grand National.Trained by Frank Cundell and sometimes ridden by Dick Francis.
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DIFFERENT GRAVY 12
Provideo won 16 as a 2 year old. |
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Excellent Facebook page for Stephenson & Smith Nostalgia. Picture of Geordie Lad winning the 1970 Graduates Hurdle with plenty of well known names finishing behind.
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has anyone mentioned dessie?
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maybe limestone lad?
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Off Wikipedia - Desert Orchid 34, Limestone Lad 35.
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Differentdrum.
J.Sorrie trained at Inverurie near Aberdeen and I can only recall him training flat horses, can't remember him training The Spaniard. |
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loved limestone, sadly never got a break with the ground at chelt, also solerina that followed, not quite as good but a terrific mare
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I was at Ayr when both The Spaniard and Young Ash Leaf won their Scottish Nationals. It was not a great field for The Spaniard's race (firm ground ?) B.Brogan. I remember Young Ash Leaf jumped very well and looked the winner four out. P.Ennis.
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My initial hunch was there must be some Pipe-trained frontrunner winning loads of races in lower grades in the 80s and 90s. The only one I can find that comes close is Skipping Tim who started with Hobbs finally won a seller and then went to Pipe's where he won 26/52 over fences (plus a point). Highest hcp winning mark of 135 and also a lot of wins in sellers/claimers.
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Constitution Hill could win 30 races if he raced until he was 47
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dd - The Spaniard won 3 on the trot as a 3yo in 1965, at Hamilton (10f), Ayr (11f), and then Hamilton(12f) again. Brian Henry rode on the first 2 occasions, and Jackie (J.E.) Armstrong on the 3rd. Dates were May 24, May 29, and June 19 - the latter 2 were Saturdays.
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didnt sea pigeon win 37?
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dambuster
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Yes dambuster, very true
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John Sorrie sold The Spaniard at Doncaster sales in August of 1965 for 1900gns. It was his last year of training, and he gave up to concentrate on his turkey farming. He'd taken out his licence in 1950, and had success with horses he owned and bred. Glenlythan won 14 for him, and Windyedge 10, and he bred both of them, both by his own stallion Rocket, who was unraced, and died aged 28 in 1969. His colours were white, scarlet diamonds, quartered cap.
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Correct Rico
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If Constitution Hill retains his form and runs until hes 25 .Could get 30 on the board.
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Ged. Thanks again for the information on The Spaniard. As I've said many times I am only going on my recollections of those times. Your mention of Windyedge at Hamilton. I am sure the races that day were televised by the BBC, and could have been a morning start because of an international or cup final. It could have been the 1st televised coverage of Hamilton also. I didn't attend that day but seem to remember it was wet and heavy going. I may be mixed up with another Saturday morning at Hamilton when a horse trained by John Dunlop won. Another two from J.Sorrie were Shuttlecock and Abernicky at the time.
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Thanks ged for the race details, and the extra information on the trainer.
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bit disappointed with your info ged, normally you're pretty good but there's no mention of what colour socks sorrie was wearing when he went to the sales
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I thought it might have been the splendid nag
Better Times Ahead who was still winning at aged 15 |
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When i was a teenager,1978/79 ish , there was a Chaser called Carrigeen Hill, I'm sure that won quite a few races
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Sonny summers won at 18 and Mac Vidi i think was placed in a gold cup at 15.
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Night Nurse,he won a few.
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Edredon Bleu won many and they weren't egg and spoon races either.
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35 Penzance.
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yes i checked edredon, did also have a think about pipes but most of his seemed to come from nowhere, last 2 seasons and be done for
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I do remember Celcius (or Celsius) winning an awful lot of poor races for Pipe in one season and prob alot more in other seasons
It impressed me at the time. |