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20 Jan 24
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Mick Fitzgerald has just said he didn't realize until leaving life as a jump jockey that things that went on in the confines of horse racing wasn't acceptable in REAL LIFE.
We have all worked in factories, offices etc and in our own little bubbles but we all know or should know right from wrong. I don't know actually what went on but it sounded like Fitzy was making excuses.
Ed looked quite uncomfortable and didn't join in and was looking away at the fallen horse from the previous race. These things have happened in the police and fire service and we have all worked with the type of people who think it is funny to bully, make fun and harass those who won't fight back.
We have all worked in factories, offices etc and in our own little bubbles but we all know or should know right from wrong. I don't know actually what went on but it sounded like Fitzy was making excuses.
Ed looked quite uncomfortable and didn't join in and was looking away at the fallen horse from the previous race. These things have happened in the police and fire service and we have all worked with the type of people who think it is funny to bully, make fun and harass those who won't fight back.
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It was in the past, times change,visions change its called evolution whats in the past is viewed as history and we not all proud of things weve done or seen but its life.....
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Racing people lose touch with the outside world…..fact
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You don't half talk some **** ....fact.
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There are things that some people feel aren't acceptable now that others feel are acceptable. Other things were seen as acceptable a few months ago, are flipped by some to be unacceptable.
In fact that is a form of bullying. Especially those of a woke disposition. And when it comes to language. Unfortunately I suspect Fitz is like so many people now, they take the lazy, easy, weak, soft option, and don't say what they really think. They just play along with what they think others want to hear. |
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Robbie Dunne was actually right about his critism,she did let her horse wander around when in front,he dealt with it wrong.
But he’s served his sentence,so it shouldn’t be dragged up again to punish him. |
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I agree with that point,wee Holly seems to struggle a bit as well
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Why can't the cretins on ITV racing leave it alone and let Bryony, and Robbie for that matter, get on with their jobs. If they are good enough they will get more rides.
Time for a big change in ITV racing presenters imo. I like Adele Mulrennan and Jason Weaver otherwise I turn the volume down. Just my opinion. |
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Dunne should have ended up in a court of law
he more or less got away with it Shame on racing that he got such a light sentence |
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This will never go away it sells…..
Keeps them all in a job,sadly |
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Bryony only had 5 rides so far this year
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I agree with Lampus 100%
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I think she is winding down to retirement tbf…
The Dunne fellow will scratch around picking up the moderate getting a wage |
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Hollie last 14 days, 2 wins from 39 rides, -£32.50
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Lot of mute material on ITV now…
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I don't know about ITV being red top, but their racing presenters irritate me. Bring back Julian Wilson (sadly deceased) and Brough Scott - oops, showing my age now.
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Red top from the mirror side of things. So the 'behind the glass' editorial decision making will always now be from that perspective. There are 5 terrestrial channels and in my opinion only one of them is not riven by the new social disease. Although there are still isolated pockets of brilliant production among them, such as 24 hours in police custody. These are extremely rare gems, however.
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24 hours in police custody is a must watch…imv
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Channel 4 news is also for me
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Racing is very well served by itv,racing was in danger of not even being on tv,the bbc cant justify showing racing every Saturday.itv give more coverage than c4 did,plus it’s mainstream,presentation is pretty good.
Even today,efffectively no racing,yet they still put it on, 5 races at ascot and chelt,Dubai,breeders,arc. Sunday racing league. Racing is very lucky,with the help of bookie adds to fund it.that it gets so much coverage,plus the morning show. A good mix of seasoned presenters,ex top jockeys,and a bit of fun. Better than Claire balding hounding sheik Mohammed. |
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It's absolutely brilliant in my opinion ace, and one of the very few productions on these channels that remains absolutely free from the woke disease. For the time being at least.
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Horse racing would be dead and buried without ITV
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The double murder and attempted with the car being used I found vomit inducing stuff,but we keep watching….
You have a point Hayden,doubtful any other would show interest again |
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Presumably as it remains commercially viable, Hayden. It's not a philanthropic endeavour. It will soon be gone if we go down the Irish route of banning gambling commercials. And nothing will be off the table if the labour landslide comes to fruition.
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More people would watch an old film if racing was called off and that would cost next to nothing to put on..
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Anything is possible cider but any prediction on the topic will include the word IF or MAYBE more than once so i'd rather embrace what we have now and stay positive for the time being.
Only watch ATR and RUK myself really but only because i'm too lazy to check the tv listings , do realize though the good they are doing by covering on terrestrial and portraying the fact they're enjoying it as well. |
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Where would cider be without his "woke" enemies around every corner.
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Pretty sure that's not true Billy. However commerciality is not only about the raw numbers. It's about the profile of the viewers and engagement in the products advertised.
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Not half as bad a place as we now are, surviving without your daily plagiarism of the guardian and bbc, me old sparrow.
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Cider
Labour,abolished betting tax Tried to build super casinos Allowed fobts to flourish Tories Sold the tote Banned fobts Waiting to bring in affordability checks. I know these facts don’t fit with your view world view. |
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Cider 20 Jan 24 20:52
Not half as bad a place as we now are, surviving without your daily plagiarism of the guardian and bbc, me old sparrow. Plagiarism....... The truth hurts I suspect. |
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Party politics are not that relevant, the way things are now, and headed. It's too complex to go into on this thread, and drifting OT anyway.
Briefly, what we now have in the Conservative in all but name party is 100 or so true conservatives. It looks like the next election will mean most of those are lost to parliament one way or another. Those 100ish were the only reason for example that the lockdown years weren't quite as brutal as they could have been. Next parliament will be completely different, with nothing to stop the liberalists. No balancing effect, no conscience. Who knows what will happen. Certainly I don't exactly know, I am confident it will be terrible for most of us. HoC, civil service, public services and the upper house will all be in alignment. |
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Oh yes, forgot to mention the tens of thousands of the faceless people in quangos, CPS, watchdogs etc. And the politicised judiciary. Basically, the establishment. Lord knows what is likely to happen.
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Interesting stuff. But I only said the ITN presenters don't rock my boat, but it is good that ITN put racing on so often.
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When you have been an observer of sport and life for 80 years you can see how much public opinion has changed. I can remember when Formula 1 drivers were killed every season and nobody suggested making changes. It was relatively soon after the war and death was still remembered in most families. And as for animals being killed in the name of sport, that was never really questioned. The idea of women in sport was only just being accepted although in Equestrian sport it always was. Pat Smythe the show jumper is a name from the distant past. There have been ladies races at ptps for as long as I remember with Pat Tollitt another name from that sport in the 1950/60 period. It was of course amateur back then in every sport apart from football and somehow women in amateur sport did not raise the same chauvinism as professional.
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Party politics are not that relevant, the way things are now, and headed.
This is totally true in terms of PC (I don't like the word woke personally) programmes and influence. Almost all of this new wave has appeared while Conservatives ruled everything in the country. Labour might carry it on (likely the can't stop it even if they wanted to) but nothing to do with old school left wing politics IMO. That is more concerned with real left wing ideas e.g. education or healthcare. Right wing policy has ironically fostered the growth of all PC power in our country. |
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I'm sure Chadfan may not appreciate it, but these things are linked, if somewhat tenuously on first look.
The dividing line of left wing right wing does not really exist any more. Where a traditional conservative, ie right wing would say ultimate responsibility lies with the individual, and left wing is all about the collective and the state knows better and the collective should be responsible for the individual. This divide no longer exists, in the duopoly of English party politics anyway. Almost all new entrants into those parties believe in the collective over the individual. This dates right back to Cameron and his a listing, the central party blob decides who can be MPs, and who can get the best seats. These are nearly all 'one nation' Tories, ie Labour types wearing a blue rosette. They believe in the collective as much as any of the Labour types. It also touches on identity, and now how the establishment wants us to pin so much importance on an individual's identity (ie immutable characteristics). And how people should be treated differently, based on this. There are the oppressed and their oppressors. The hierarchy of identity. Of course, racing is a perfect target for liberalists because old white men dominate it, and of course are always ripe for a kicking, regardless of any tangible evidence. With no shortage of people to join in with any pile on. |
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I personally still think there is a difference between Labour and Conservative cider, which is why I am still a Labour voter (though wouldn't vote for either if there was any better option).
I don't think Labour support their powerful rich allies/business people in power etc in the same underhand ways - least not as much. I still see Labour as supporting health and social care better than Tories ever will etc. I hope they are less 'military' minded (though Blair spoilt that idea somewhat as a Labour leader) and less anti-Europe. So, I still see fundamental differences. But I agree, there is much less between the two parties than there was historically. They are both somewhat middle ground parties. |
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stu, nobody has any clue what UK political leadership from the Labour party will look like. Starmer simply says what he is told to say. What he is told to say is what his puppeteers are telling him to say behind the scenes. What they will do with the landslide that looks on the cards, nobody knows. As I allude to, there will be no safety net. Nothing to stop them.
I don't really buy the health and social care argument either. Those institutions are more comfortable with Labour politicians nominally in charge, that's for sure. But 1.5 million people work in the NHS. It's not poorly performing through a lack of funds or political direction. It's simply a deeply flawed system. |